My Paper Tiger journey / 1 year full time golfer job starts Monday 7-1-19

[grantc79]

 

[rich_s2]

Nice playing! What are you trending at?

[grantc79]

4.3

 

[Krt22]

nice work man!

[grantc79]

 

[MountainGoat]

> @grantc79 said:

> > @MelloYello said:

> > > @grantc79 said:

> > > > @MelloYello said:

> > > > > @grantc79 said:

> > > > > Handicap went from 7.9 to 8.4 now down to 5.7 a month and a half in.

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> > > > > 5.7 to go ?

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> > > >

> > > > I've got a simple request--and this would help people like me who aren't following this thread in detail. Would you please put a running total of the number of holes you've played along with the number of days that have elapsed from the beginning down in your signature or something like that?

> > > >

> > > > My theory is that most of us who are 5- or 10- handicaps would get better simply by playing more often. If I were going on some journey like yours trying to get down to scratch I would be wary of changing my mechanics very much.

> > > >

> > > > I like the advice the guy gave some time back...just bury yourself in putting practice. I know that for me as a 7-handicap I'm a pretty lousy putter. I average 34 putts per round. I generally don't make anything outside of 3-ft. And what's worse, I usually manage to miss 1 or 2 short ones during any given round, too. So I imagine that if somehow I put in the work and became a "good" putter inside 10-ft I'd lose as many as maybe 5 strokes on my better rounds and thus my handicap would drop dramatically.

> > > >

> > > > I just think far too many decent golfers overlook the reality that putting is really where it's at. I don't think there's hope of getting under a 5-handicap if you aren't a really good putter. I've never heard of a scratch player who isn't an excellent putter.

> > >

> > > I basically started July 1st

> > >

> > > if you go back and look at the train wreck that is this thread you'll see that initially I was starting but trying to perfect the golf swing and not focusing on the low-hanging fruit

> > >

> > > I started playing a lot more golf but I started practicing a lot more short game stuff basically I went after the low-hanging fruit

> > >

> > > I think for most of us they can hit the ball well enough if you get to the point where you're:

> > > 1: not three putting

> > > 2: you're getting up and down most of the time with the easy shots around the green

> > > 3: youre not making bone head club/swing choices

> > >

> > > just by doing those things I've basically gotten to where my bad round is now 80 or 81 and my great round would probably be around Par

> > >

> > > Realistically in order to drop another two or three strokes I've got to eliminate the penalty shots more and start making another putt or two

> > >

> > > I really don't think I'm getting down to hey 3 handicap or so is going to be hard that's going to be more mental than anything

> > >

> > > Going from a 3 to a scratch that's what's going to take a lot of work especially short game and wedges

> >

> > Again, my theory is that all of us who are single digit handicaps basically know what to do (for our own games). We simply don't always do it because we don't play everyday and we can't keep our swings and putting strokes timed up adequately for 18 holes in a row.

> >

> > For example, I mostly play on the weekends and while I'll have stretches of say, 9 holes wherein I'll shoot par, I'll inevitably have some stretch of 2-3 holes where I'm +4 or something terrible. If I played everyday, I doubt that'd happen. That kind of inconsistency can't be fixed by a teacher, either. It's simply a product of not being able to play everyday.

> >

> > That's what makes me think that at some point a person is "good enough" to be scratch and just needs to play more. I would wager that for a relatively strong player with reasonably good technique that would come at about the 5-handicap level.

> >

> > Anyhow, I'm not going back 15+ pages to count up the number of rounds you've played. I suspect you have that information in a spreadsheet? I'd just like to know so I could get a sense of how much you're improving relative to how much you're playing.

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Please post your scores for the last 30 days.

 

[northgolf]

Goat,

You can look his scores up on ghin using name/state. Everything you need to know, you quoted. A bunch of mid/low 70s for the last 5.

 

You are doing great Grant, I am delighted to see you capitalizing on your opportunity. Really remarkable progress, and I say this as a doubter of your early posts.

[justasgood]

Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

 

Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

 

I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

 

However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

 

Good luck!

 

 

[northgolf]

> @justasgood said:

> Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

>

> Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

>

> I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

>

> However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

 

Sblack, if I remember correctly. Cruel game, it will always out you.

 

I think he moved on to conning women as a ballroom dance instructor.

[justasgood]

> @northgolf said:

> > @justasgood said:

> > Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

> >

> > Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

> >

> > I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

> >

> > However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> >

>

> Sblack, if I remember correctly. Cruel game, it will always out you.

>

> I think he moved on to conning women as a ballroom dance instructor.

 

Yes Sblack and another Robopti. Loved his posts and braggadocio but I played 7 holes with him and I was out driving him with my Persimmon driver. He suddenly had to leave before we finished 9. Had an excuse for every poor drive....and they were all poor drives.

[grantc79]

> @justasgood said:

> Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

>

> Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

>

> I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

>

> However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

>

> Good luck!

>

>

 

I was stuck in analytics for a very long time.

 

I was always obsessed with the idea that if I simply understood the golf swing better that I would naturally be good at it due to being a decent athlete at other sports. Also I assumed if I just played a lot and hit a million golf balls that I would naturally be a great ball striker.

 

I have never been more wrong. I got progressively worse the more time I spent learning the swing and beating balls. I learned a lot about how to swing, but couldn't actually do it.

 

I'd like to think I'm heading a completely different direction now.

[grantc79]

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[MountainGoat]

> @northgolf said:

> Goat,

> You can look his scores up on ghin using name/state. Everything you need to know, you quoted. A bunch of mid/low 70s for the last 5.

 

I don't have a username or password for that system. I just want to continue the curve I started in post #464.

[rich_s2]

> @grantc79 said:

> > @justasgood said:

> > Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

> >

> > Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

> >

> > I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

> >

> > However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> >

>

> I was stuck in analytics for a very long time.

>

> I was always obsessed with the idea that if I simply understood the golf swing better that I would naturally be good at it due to being a decent athlete at other sports. Also I assumed if I just played a lot and hit a million golf balls that I would naturally be a great ball striker.

>

> I have never been more wrong. I got progressively worse the more time I spent learning the swing and beating balls. I learned a lot about how to swing, but couldn't actually do it.

>

> I'd like to think I'm heading a completely different direction now.

 

Your mental progression has been interesting for me to watch. I was never like you were at the beginning of this thread but I am very much like you now. I am a 1.8 currently so I am sure you can get there. My good days are very good and my off days are not bad but I need to improve my swing if I am going to get to scratch and maintain it. Winter is coming here so I am going to do the next swing change. You will pass me by spring so am interested in how you do it.

[grantc79]

> @MountainGoat said:

> > @northgolf said:

> > Goat,

> > You can look his scores up on ghin using name/state. Everything you need to know, you quoted. A bunch of mid/low 70s for the last 5.

>

> I don't have a username or password for that system. I just want to continue the curve I started in post #464.

 

H 9/15/19 76 71.1/125 4.4 Tchefuncta Country Club Tchefu

H 9/13/19 76 72.1/133 3.3 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

H 9/12/19 76 72.1/133 3.3 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

A 9/7/19 75 73.7/136 1.1 Money Hill Golf and Country Cl

C 9/6/19 73 72.1/129 0.8 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

H 9/5/19 76 72.0/132 3.4 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

A 9/1/19 81 71.1/125 8.9 Tchefuncta Country Club Tchefu

H 8/20/19 81 72.0/132 7.7 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

A 8/16/19 81 72.3/130 7.6 Hot Springs Village Cortez Gol

C 8/13/19 80 72.2/129 6.8 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

H 8/11/19 81 72.1/133 7.6 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

H 8/9/19 76 72.1/133 3.3 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

A 8/6/19 76 71.0/126 4.5 Grand Ridge Golf Club Grand Ri

H 8/1/19 81 72.1/133 7.6 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

H 7/28/19 82 72.0/132 8.6 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

H 7/28/19 90 72.0/132 15.4 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

C 7/24/19 81 72.0/128 7.9 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

C 7/23/19 79 72.2/129 6.0 Beau Chene Country Club Oak Co

H 7/11/19 86 72.1/133 11.8 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

C 7/10/19 77 72.2/129 4.2 Beau Chene Country Club Magnol

[grantc79]

> @"rich s" said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > > @justasgood said:

> > > Do y’all remember the guy from Nashville who stole teaching techniques and starting pretending he was a teacher and got banned? This.....I’ve met both gentlemen and will say, I have seen Grant swing in the Sim and the other guy on the range, and in my opinion, neither will be scratch golfers.

> > >

> > > Way too much analytics and not enough natural free flowing swings.

> > >

> > > I think they are both good guys, just misguided and perhaps a little loftier opinion of self.

> > >

> > > However, Kudos for the dedication and willingness to share your journey.

> > >

> > > Good luck!

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I was stuck in analytics for a very long time.

> >

> > I was always obsessed with the idea that if I simply understood the golf swing better that I would naturally be good at it due to being a decent athlete at other sports. Also I assumed if I just played a lot and hit a million golf balls that I would naturally be a great ball striker.

> >

> > I have never been more wrong. I got progressively worse the more time I spent learning the swing and beating balls. I learned a lot about how to swing, but couldn't actually do it.

> >

> > I'd like to think I'm heading a completely different direction now.

>

> Your mental progression has been interesting for me to watch. I was never like you were at the beginning of this thread but I am very much like you now. I am a 1.8 currently so I am sure you can get there. My good days are very good and my off days are not bad but I need to improve my swing if I am going to get to scratch and maintain it. Winter is coming here so I am going to do the next swing change. You will pass me by spring so am interested in how you do it.

 

We will see I might get stuck, you might still have me beat.

 

There is one major issue I'm having in my swing at the moment and once I get that resolved I think I will be a lot closer.

 

I am practicing a bit less and playing a bit more than I used to. I just cant seem to beat old man par. I've gone as low as 34 on 9 holes but cant crack 72 on 18 yet, I'm very close but not quite there.

[MountainGoat]

Strong downward trend...

 

 

Impressive!

 

[grantc79]

So basically biggest changes are putting a little better, chipping a lot better, better course management, eliminate penalties off tees.

 

My actual swing hasn't improved much.

 

I think to reach another goal I'm going to have to start improving the swing to hit more greens.

 

 

[rich_s2]

 

> @grantc79 said:

> So basically biggest changes are putting a little better, chipping a lot better, better course management, eliminate penalties off tees.

>

> My actual swing hasn't improved much.

>

> I think to reach another goal I'm going to have to start improving the swing to hit more greens.

>

>

 

how many greens do you normally hit in a round?

[MountainGoat]

> @grantc79 said:

> So basically biggest changes are putting a little better, chipping a lot better, better course management, eliminate penalties off tees.

>

> My actual swing hasn't improved much.

>

> I think to reach another goal I'm going to have to start improving the swing to hit more greens.

Your progress is so remarkable, that I'd like to take a deeper look at your methods. As I look back over your posts over the last few months, I glean the following:

* You initially assumed that being a decent athlete, understanding the golf swing, and hitting a lot of balls would lead to becoming a great ball striker. Instead, you got worse.

* You started playing more, practicing less.

* You put more thought into shot decisions and course management with emphasis on eliminating penalty strokes.

* You put more emphasis on the short game, learning to read chips like reading a putt, picking a landing spot and producing better "leaves".

* Although your basic swing hasn't changed much, you changed from a draw to a cut, which helped control off the tee.

* You got fit for a new putter, did a lot of circle drills, and reduced 3-putts.

 

Is there more? How much instruction was involved in this progress? There was some early debate on flat swing planes and hip restriction, but I can't figure out if all that was accepted or rejected. Have you had consistent instructor input?

[grantc79]

> @"rich s" said:

 

> how many greens do you normally hit in a round?

 

40% or so

[grantc79]

> @MountainGoat said:

> Your progress is so remarkable, that I'd like to take a deeper look at your methods. As I look back over your posts over the last few months, I glean the following:

> * You initially assumed that being a decent athlete, understanding the golf swing, and hitting a lot of balls would lead to becoming a great ball striker. Instead, you got worse.

> * You started playing more, practicing less.

> * You put more thought into shot decisions and course management with emphasis on eliminating penalty strokes.

> * You put more emphasis on the short game, learning to read chips like reading a putt, picking a landing spot and producing better "leaves".

> * Although your basic swing hasn't changed much, you changed from a draw to a cut, which helped control off the tee.

> * You got fit for a new putter, did a lot of circle drills, and reduced 3-putts.

>

> Is there more? How much instruction was involved in this progress? There was some early debate on flat swing planes and hip restriction, but I can't figure out if all that was accepted or rejected. Have you had consistent instructor input?

 

Honestly, that's a LOOOONG answer and I'll try not to devolve this into another arguing shit show. One part of this is a medical answer, the other part is a golf answer.

 

Awhile back in the thread I made a humbling post about how I sought out the other local instructor to verify he was teaching the same methods and I found out after more explanation from him that he was not. I had a lesson with him and it was a very different lesson that was much more athletic and feel based as opposed to structured and position based. I was swinging about 6 degrees inside out on average so my homework from him was to basically beat balls trying to swing more left until I figured out how to get that path down to more like 2 degrees inside out.

 

A short period of time later I started developing mildish burning pain and numbness in my toes on my left foot and sought out a friend who is a physical therapist. He did an exam looked at MRI results and basically I have a mildly herniated L5-S1 which is not that uncommon but mine was pinching a nerve which was causing the mild pain. I actually didn't have BACK pain it was lower extremity nerve pain. The nerve problem was happening due to pelvic alignment which also would not allow me to rotate properly for golf which further caused the back/nerve issues.

 

Above is basically my issue. All the joints/bones are connected so when one gets out of wack it tends to have the opposite effect somewhere else. So looking at me from behind, the left side of my pelvis tilts forward and down a bit which will tend to lift the other side up. The pelvis tilting forward will then make the spine disks that are supposed to stack start to open up in the front and pinch together in the back, which pinches the nerve. At the top my upper back does the opposite otherwise I would walk around looking sideways so our bodies just adjust to whatever is happening below.

 

All of these issues will then impact how your muscles work. I couldn't turn on my left glute AT ALL it was just hanging out. I rotated into my right hip well, but when rotating forward I couldn't rotate into my left hip so I just rotated my back to hit the ball. Ironically enough my physical therapist knows the guy who was treating Jason Day with his back issues and he had similar problems (but unfortunately for me way more talent). Do a google search for Jason Day Physical Therapy and you'll find a ton of stuff.

 

https://riverrehabpt.com/jason-day-uses-breathing-exercises-to-prepare-for-the-masters-and-you-should-be-using-them-for-everything/

 

So basically ever since that post I have been in physical therapy 3 days per week. I'm working on strengthening my LEFT hamstring to pull my pelvis back into proper alignment. My nerve pain is basically gone now. Now that my pelvis is getting closer into alignment I can actually activate my left groin muscle and left glute muscle much better which has me relearning how to rotate my HIPS as opposed to my BACK, PROPERLY without pain. We always start left hamstring, then train the right glute to activate, then left groin muscle to activate, then left glute to activate, then we work on activating two at a time.

 

In the mean time, I still cannot rotate properly but from a physical standpoint I'm getting to where its possible. My P.T. seems to think that once I get to where I can physically do it the body will start to figure it out on its own and I will be pain free, more consistent, and likely add a lot of speed to my swing.

 

In the words of my P.T. the quest is to identify and correct skeletal and muscular imbalances and correct them to get your body "neutral" and once you are neutral you can learn how to properly rotate and perform athletic motions. He believes golfers specifically are prone to these issues because we fire our bodies really hard one way which specifically creates these issues.

 

I STRONGLY believe after going through what I have gone through so far that the OVERWHELMING majority of us have swing issues due to PHYSICAL ISSUES we might not know we have. I would be willing to bet that a lot of players will spend years and countless dollars on lessons and training aids to fix a swing flaw that is caused by sitting behind a desk at work 10 hours a day or something like that.

 

 

To answer your golf specific questions:

Point 1: 100% correct analysis by you

Point 2: correct

Point 3: correct, I now look at distance to target then pick a distance short or long of that target to actually shoot for and then decide whether I need to hit a cut or draw

Point 4: correct, my chipping has drastically improved due to picking and focusing on targets and forgetting the hole.

point 5: yes, but how I did that I'll explain shortly

Point 6: yes, not a ton of circle and putting drills mainly just a heavier headed putter that I aim well and fits my release

 

About 8 years ago while struggling learning how to rotate I went through the TPI screening basically that checks mobility issues to see how fit you are for golf.

https://www.eliteorthopaedic.com/blog/uncategorized/what-is-a-tpi-golf-screen-and-do-you-need-one/

I had severe hip and shoulder joint mobility issues. Ironically my biggest issue was my LEFT hip and my RIGHT shoulder, not a coincidence left side on the bottom right side at the top.

 

My coach was a golfing machine guy who suggested as a big strong guy I learn to HIT the ball with my right arm until I get over some of those issues. Its a much simpler process and great for bigger stronger guys who can't rotate well. I tried it, but it didn't take and I just continued playing average golf for years.

 

I went back to it recently due because I didn't have much choice and have fallen in love with it due to its simplicity and that it doesn't require any real hip rotation. I had a remote lesson with Ted Fort and that has been my only other lesson though we text back and forth regularly and I would like to visit him soon.

 

The hitting motion costs me some distance but always produces a fade unless I tell it not to due to the face laying open at impact as opposed to snapping shut.

[grantc79]

Side note, he personally believes Tiger Woods suffered his issues due to the same things. You get imbalanced from rotating hard one way your whole life like Tiger and then rather than fix your imbalances Tiger chose to train with Navy Seals and do some Olympic lifts. Next thing you know his Achilles pops, his back needs fusions, and a million other issues because at some point you have to FIX your body back to neutral and rather than do that he just added a ton of muscle.

 

I went through a heavy weight lifting binge about 3 years ago and got pretty big and jacked. One day in the gym on chest day I completely fried my shoulder, neck, and back.

Guess which side, right side.

Guess which hip I got issues with, left side.

Guess what my spine does, points slightly right at the bottom because the left side of my pelvis wants to point that way and down.

That means as my spine moves up it then wants to unwind that and compensate by pointing left towards the top in an attempt to straighten out my body.

That leads to less right shoulder immobility due to the spine pointing left towards the top.

That leads to injuries.

[MountainGoat]

Grant --

Those may be the two most interesting posts I've ever read on this site. Let me take a stab as saying this back to you, and you can tell me if I've got it right.

* For whatever reason (life style, weight lifting, golf history) you have a significant orthopedic imbalance.

* When you went for lessons at the beginning of your journey, the instructions made these imbalances much more evident to the point of actual pain.

* You have since sought to balance your body with physical therapy.

* In the meantime, you adopted an arm-dominated swing technique that you had previously learned, but rejected, a number of years ago.

* This technique generally produces a fade, which you find more useful off the tee than a draw.

* Beyond that, you've had minimal golf instruction.

 

I sense that after you get your body back in balance, you feel you might be more amenable to golf instruction that might whittle the last few strokes off your handicap. In the meantime, you're working with what you've got.

 

Do I have it right?

 

[grantc79]

> @MountainGoat said:

> Grant --

> Those may be the two most interesting posts I've ever read on this site. Let me take a stab as saying this back to you, and you can tell me if I've got it right.

> * For whatever reason (life style, weight lifting, golf history) you have a significant orthopedic imbalance.

> * When you went for lessons at the beginning of your journey, the instructions made these imbalances much more evident to the point of actual pain.

> * You have since sought to balance your body with physical therapy.

> * In the meantime, you adopted an arm-dominated swing technique that you had previously learned, but rejected, a number of years ago.

> * This technique generally produces a fade, which you find more useful off the tee than a draw.

> * Beyond that, you've had minimal golf instruction.

>

> I sense that after you get your body back in balance, you feel you might be more amenable to golf instruction that might whittle the last few strokes off your handicap. In the meantime, you're working with what you've got.

>

> Do I have it right?

>

 

Pretty much

 

I was very active and fit in high school and couldn't gain weight. I then became a lot more sedentary and blew up to about 340 lbs at 6'4.

 

If you've seen really fat guys they get big bellies and bent backs I was heading down that road at a young age.

 

That probably caused a lot of these problems.

[grantc79]

Basically my golf swing now is take away to top then a hip slide no rotation, then fire the right tricep to drive the right arm through impact.

 

Ted fort is the guru of this style.

 

My speed goes down from 112 range to 108 but it's waaaaay easier to repeat and no rotational stress.

[ThinkingPlus]

> @grantc79 said:

> Basically my golf swing now is take away to top then a hip slide no rotation, then fire the right tricep to drive the right arm through impact.

>

> Ted fort is the guru of this style.

>

> My speed goes down from 112 range to 108 but it's waaaaay easier to repeat and no rotational stress.

 

You are TGM hitting? Interesting. Have you taken lessons with Ted?

[grantc79]

> @ThinkingPlus said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > Basically my golf swing now is take away to top then a hip slide no rotation, then fire the right tricep to drive the right arm through impact.

> >

> > Ted fort is the guru of this style.

> >

> > My speed goes down from 112 range to 108 but it's waaaaay easier to repeat and no rotational stress.

>

> You are TGM hitting? Interesting. Have you taken lessons with Ted?

 

Not in person I've had them locally through another tgm but Ted fort is the man to see hes mastered it himself

[ThinkingPlus]

> @grantc79 said:

> > @ThinkingPlus said:

> > > @grantc79 said:

> > > Basically my golf swing now is take away to top then a hip slide no rotation, then fire the right tricep to drive the right arm through impact.

> > >

> > > Ted fort is the guru of this style.

> > >

> > > My speed goes down from 112 range to 108 but it's waaaaay easier to repeat and no rotational stress.

> >

> > You are TGM hitting? Interesting. Have you taken lessons with Ted?

>

> Not in person I've had them locally through another tgm but Ted fort is the man to see hes mastered it himself

 

Yes. I know Ted. Did a 3 day school with Lynn Blake and Ted many years ago. Really, really good guys.

[grantc79]

> @ThinkingPlus said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > > @ThinkingPlus said:

> > > > @grantc79 said:

> > > > Basically my golf swing now is take away to top then a hip slide no rotation, then fire the right tricep to drive the right arm through impact.

> > > >

> > > > Ted fort is the guru of this style.

> > > >

> > > > My speed goes down from 112 range to 108 but it's waaaaay easier to repeat and no rotational stress.

> > >

> > > You are TGM hitting? Interesting. Have you taken lessons with Ted?

> >

> > Not in person I've had them locally through another tgm but Ted fort is the man to see hes mastered it himself

>

> Yes. I know Ted. Did a 3 day school with Lynn Blake and Ted many years ago. Really, really good guys.

 

You teach?