PXG laying off workers... Any credible information? (Merged)

[GoGoErky]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @ssfranny said:

> > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> >

> > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> >

> > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > >

> > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > >

> > >

> > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > >

> >

> > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

>

> Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

 

The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

 

For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

[Jungleland]

I wonder how much of this is about humoring the wife with the expanded apparel line and point of sale presence versus the hard goods side.

[dxdgenert]

I'm curious what their sales are, in general? Wasn't there an article a few years back stating Bob predicted $500M? I believe at that time $500M annually would put them on Titleist level for equipment.

[GoGoErky]

> @dxdgenert said:

> I'm curious what their sales are, in general? Wasn't there an article a few years back stating Bob predicted $500M? I believe at that time $500M annually would put them on Titleist level for equipment.

 

They made all the money needed to cover the starting of the business and is a reason bob stated for dropping the price of the gen2 driver.

[setter02]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > >

> > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > >

> > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > >

> > >

> > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> >

> > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

>

> The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

>

> For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

 

Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

[dxdgenert]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > >

> > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > >

> > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > >

> > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> >

> > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> >

> > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

>

> Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

 

So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

[GoGoErky]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > >

> > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > >

> > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > >

> > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> >

> > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> >

> > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

>

> Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

 

Well there are plenty of people willing to spend the money on inflated priced apparel and it’s really not that inflated as it falls in line with several higher end priced clothing.

 

Like any club out there some will like it and some won’t. Your opinion of their clubs is just that and others think it’s worth the money. I found the gen1 and gen2 to be as good or better thank most of the big brands out there and softer thank several. If it wasn’t for switching to Miura gen2 would still be in the bag

[setter02]

> @dxdgenert said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > >

> > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > >

> > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > >

> > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > >

> > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> >

> > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

>

> So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

 

I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored koolaid.

[puttingmatt]

Profits over people, wonder how many workers getting axed are past veterans ?

Either way, this is the state of employment in the U.S.

[GoGoErky]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @dxdgenert said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > >

> > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > >

> > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > >

> > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> >

> > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

>

> I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored koolaid.

 

The personal cell phone industry wasn’t asking for a portable pc but here we are with high powered cell phones.

 

If the industry didn’t want pxg they wouldn’t still be around.

[setter02]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @dxdgenert said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > > >

> > > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > > >

> > > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > > >

> > > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> > >

> > > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

> >

> > I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored koolaid.

>

> The personal cell phone industry wasn’t asking for a portable pc but here we are with high powered cell phones.

>

> If the industry didn’t want pxg they wouldn’t still be around.

 

Bad comparrison given what the cell phone can represent today vs. a golf club, and lack of true advancement... And as soon as games were added into phones, of course people wanted better. But please, lmk when golf clubs become revolutionary and catch up to the marketing claims made and totally transform society/game. You'd think that with how easy the game is now because of all this new, bestest ever technology, that maybe that is the reason they can't grow the numbers. People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

[ssfranny]

> @golfboy123 said:

> I knew it would not take long for the pxg hate 2 roll in !

 

Yeah lets hate a billionaire whos a golf nut and started hus own golf company pretty much any WRXers dream Bob just living it.

[ssfranny]

Hate not gate

[KMeloney]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

 

Say what?

 

These PXG threads are amazing.

[ssfranny]

BTW, PXG won award from Inc. as a fastest growing company

 

[setter02]

> @KMeloney said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

>

> Say what?

>

> These PXG threads are amazing.

 

Just props to making the best golf equipment everestest and it not just being marketing. I mean, there has to be a reason why the game has been in decline for so long, maybe this a contributing factor... Makes as much sense as all the koolaid.

[dxdgenert]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @dxdgenert said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > >

> > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > >

> > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > >

> > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> >

> > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

>

> I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored Koolaide

 

Reread my post. I never said nor implied you couldn’t afford them. What I did say was that you went into a fitting with 10 year old irons that you already owned, against an expensive premium offering, with a self admitted bias towards “older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing”. What did you think was going to happen? Your problem is less about PXG, as a company, and clearly about the golf equipment industry as a whole. Every single difference in clubs has a monetary value on it. Whether that difference is performance, feel, aesthetics or brand recognition everything can be quantified. For you that buy in needs to be fairly low or the gains very substantial. For others, not so much and that is the subset of customers PXG seems to be after.

[GoGoErky]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @dxdgenert said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > > > >

> > > > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> > > >

> > > > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

> > >

> > > I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored koolaid.

> >

> > The personal cell phone industry wasn’t asking for a portable pc but here we are with high powered cell phones.

> >

> > If the industry didn’t want pxg they wouldn’t still be around.

>

> Bad comparrison given what the cell phone can represent today vs. a golf club, and lack of true advancement... And as soon as games were added into phones, of course people wanted better. But please, lmk when golf clubs become revolutionary and catch up to the marketing claims made and totally transform society/game. You'd think that with how easy the game is now because of all this new, bestest ever technology, that maybe that is the reason they can't grow the numbers. People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

 

Most people don’t start a business and offer a product based on what’s being asked for. They have an idea they think people would want. The successful ones are the ones who can produce and market it to the consumer. If they do that correctly they are successful, if not they go out of business. Bob had an idea for clubs and marketing to a specific segment and that segment bought in. Now that vets, active duty and first responders can get it at a reduced price even more are buying in.

[setter02]

> @dxdgenert said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @dxdgenert said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > > >

> > > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > > >

> > > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > > >

> > > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> > >

> > > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

> >

> > I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored Koolaide

>

> Reread my post. I never said nor implied you couldn’t afford them. What I did say was that you went into a fitting with 10 year old irons that you already owned, against an expensive premium offering, with a self admitted bias towards “older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing”. What did you think was going to happen? Your problem is less about PXG, as a company, and clearly about the golf equipment industry as a whole. Every single difference in clubs has a monetary value on it. Whether that difference is performance, feel, aesthetics or brand recognition everything can be quantified. For you that buy in needs to be fairly low or the gains very substantial. For others, not so much and that is the subset of customers PXG seems to be after.

 

No, you're trying to put words into my mouth... I tried them out to see if there was anything to the hype, there wasn't... This has nothing to do with having older gear at the time as the i20s can still hold their own today... I had my whole bag and piles of other clusb stolen, has a shiny 9k check burning a hole in my pocket and was reminded that marketing is just marketing... PXG will become like Ferrari, not a car company anymore but a merchadising company selling an idea, granted Ferrari is better in the car industry than PXG is in the club. PXG is a product of the direction that golf has gone in, over priced, over saturated, little true inovation vs marketing claims. As I had said before and many others, if they were truly that good, the worlds best would be playing them. They aren't... But as we can see in this world, people follow blow hards regardless.

[Stetson]

Is it possible that the platform they based their advantage on has been duplicated by the other manufacturers and their edge is gone? The foam filled irons (or any hollow + injection process) that PXG brought to market were different, now it is approaching the industry norm.

 

Perhaps with the narrowing margins and increased technological competition, they simply are reallocating resources from one area to another. Perhaps they lay off 14% of the current workforce but plan to hire 5 new engineers and 5 new sales reps. Or perhaps they have been able to automate a portion of their business, or chose to outsource back of house functions, etc

 

Layoffs can be a result of decreased profitability, or could be due to increased efficiency now that they have been in the industry a few years and likely learned a few things.

[dxdgenert]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @dxdgenert said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @dxdgenert said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > > > > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > > > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

> > > > >

> > > > > Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.

> > > >

> > > > So admittedly you have a bias towards older, lower-priced equipment. That is the exact opposite of their target demographic. They are in it for the early adopter, money isn’t an issue set. There is nothing wrong with either mindset. Just find it amusing that people hate the PXG brand so much. I used to feel apathetic towards them but changed my mind after having a great experience with a fitting. To each their own. There’s enough golf for all of us!

> > >

> > > I can easily buy a hole bag of black head covered gear from them if I wanted, but I have no interest. Sure, call it a bias, but as I said, they aren't the best performing stuff out there, maybe for a small handful of people, but the club industry wasn't asking for this, this is nothing more than marketing, a new flavored Koolaide

> >

> > Reread my post. I never said nor implied you couldn’t afford them. What I did say was that you went into a fitting with 10 year old irons that you already owned, against an expensive premium offering, with a self admitted bias towards “older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing”. What did you think was going to happen? Your problem is less about PXG, as a company, and clearly about the golf equipment industry as a whole. Every single difference in clubs has a monetary value on it. Whether that difference is performance, feel, aesthetics or brand recognition everything can be quantified. For you that buy in needs to be fairly low or the gains very substantial. For others, not so much and that is the subset of customers PXG seems to be after.

>

> No, you're trying to put words into my mouth... I tried them out to see if there was anything to the hype, there wasn't... This has nothing to do with having older gear at the time as the i20s can still hold their own today... I had my whole bag and piles of other clusb stolen, has a shiny 9k check burning a hole in my pocket and was reminded that marketing is just marketing... PXG will become like Ferrari, not a car company anymore but a merchadising company selling an idea, granted Ferrari is better in the car industry than PXG is in the club. PXG is a product of the direction that golf has gone in, over priced, over saturated, little true inovation vs marketing claims. As I had said before and many others, if they were truly that good, the worlds best would be playing them. They aren't... But as we can see in this world, people follow blow hards regardless.

 

LOL, I LITERALLY used YOUR words. I’ll just leave this here again:

 

“Got to play around with the first gen irons against my i20s in a fitting studio and was thoughourly unimpressed. I build my own stuff anyway and prefer older gear that you can get at substancially better pricing, where I just put that money into other hobbies. But from your first statement, no they aren'ty in the market to sell as much of it as possible given the inflated price points. The entire industry is borderline embarrassing and has been for some time.”

 

Seems like like I got it exactly correct, no? I’m not going to debate with you anymore, however. I have no gripe with you and you’re entitled to your opinion. I can’t, nor is it my charge, to change your mind about this or anything for that matter. Good luck on the course and in life.

[SEP1006]

> @KMeloney said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

>

> Say what?

>

> These PXG threads are amazing.

 

 

You are so correct. I love my PXG clubs and **TO ME** are the best looking, forgiving and performing clubs that I've had. And at one time or another I've had some from each of the OEM's. Doesn't matter what the original post is about the results are always the same.

 

Are they priced high, yes.

Does Parsons rub some people wrong, yes.

Are they significantly better clubs than the other OEM's, no. But that's why there are options, to each there own and we individually get to spend our money on what we want and can afford.

 

The HATERS come out, no other 3 letters ( PXG ) on this board since I have been here have caused this much negativity. If you don't like them then don't buy them or have anything to do with them. I for one have never been a Titleist fan and I'm sure others here have OEM's they don't like for WHATEVER reason.

 

FLAME SUIT ON - FIRE AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1Mordrid1]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > Yeah theyve jumped pretty hard into apparel. Had a ad on Times Square for the new clothing line. All the stuff is pricey. Maybe some of the focus is devIating from the golf equipment to clothing.

> > >

> > > Their apparel sells out pretty quickly whether it was the Peter Millar stuff or the new stuff which is done by the Nike apparel folks hired. How many brands can say they sell out every release?

> > >

> > > > @bogeypro said:

> > > > > @WIGolf said:

> > > > > Regarding The Who PXG is targeting: I don’t think it’s ever been their goal to be in so many bags. They’ve always marketed themselves as a top tier luxury brand IMO. People also discount the sheer amount of .mil and first responders that golf.

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember golfing with my grandpa at wright Patterson air base golf course as a kid and there was always tons of vets out. Now as a first responder, I go to a good amount of charity outings chock full of people who qualify for PXG’s discount. Me personally? I couldn’t afford PXG at retail cost. With their first responder discount? I have a set of 0211’s in my bag with an 0811X driver. The clubs have been fantastic and the fitting experience was excellent. They do a great job. Once you get past some of the cheesy marketing stuff, it’s all on the up and I’m grateful for what they did for me and a bunch of my guys.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The problem I have with pxg is that their military discount makes them about the and price as everyone else’s regular price. I think they are preying on military. If you want to give a discount, then make it better than the others. Otherwise, it’s simply lip service. You can’t tell me that for every $5000 set of irons they sell at an upscale club member that pxg can’t afford to sell a set to military for less. They are making lots of profit of their overpriced Chinese made stuff. They need to stop with the fake discounts. As a vet, it pisses me off.

> > > >

> > >

> > > As a vet I don’t thing they are preying on the military. It’s giving military and vets the chance to buy a premium product at a regular price. They offer their latest stuff now which is even better. When I bought my set I debated between gen 1 at a discount or gen2 full price. I went gen2 full price. The heroes program has been a huge success and would indicate the number of active duty, vets, first responders who think they are being preyed on is very small.

> >

> > Those other appearl companies also do likely how much more business? Who cares about selling out when its like 1% compared to the big boys... No different than assuming their product is actually 'premium' vs. over priced Pings with screws.

>

> The goal is to make a product and sell as much of it right? They jumped in the apparel market and are selling off what they produce that’s pretty good business.

>

> **For some the performance of their clubs have outperformed other brands. Have you tried any of their stuff?

**

 

Why would you try to bring logic into this !

[aabb312]

PXG 211's are pretty good

 

 

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[QMany]

 

Denies THP's reports of laying off several dozen... then admits to laying off 26.

[QMany]

Double post.

[aabb312]

Interesting news

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[aabb312]

Good point

 

 

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[ssfranny]

> @Stetson said:

> Is it possible that the platform they based their advantage on has been duplicated by the other manufacturers and their edge is gone? The foam filled irons (or any hollow + injection process) that PXG brought to market were different, now it is approaching the industry norm.

>

> Perhaps with the narrowing margins and increased technological competition, they simply are reallocating resources from one area to another. Perhaps they lay off 14% of the current workforce but plan to hire 5 new engineers and 5 new sales reps. Or perhaps they have been able to automate a portion of their business, or chose to outsource back of house functions, etc

>

> Layoffs can be a result of decreased profitability, or could be due to increased efficiency now that they have been in the industry a few years and likely learned a few things.

 

Well said sir :smile:

[ssfranny]

>

> No, you're trying to put words into my mouth... I tried them out to see if there was anything to the hype, there wasn't... This has nothing to do with having older gear at the time as the i20s can still hold their own today... I had my whole bag and piles of other clusb stolen, has a shiny 9k check burning a hole in my pocket and was reminded that marketing is just marketing... PXG will become like Ferrari, not a car company anymore but a merchadising company selling an idea, granted Ferrari is better in the car industry than PXG is in the club. PXG is a product of the direction that golf has gone in, over priced, over saturated, little true inovation vs marketing claims. As I had said before and many others, if they were truly that good, the worlds best would be playing them. They aren't... But as we can see in this world, people follow blow hards regardless.

 

 

 

To say they have little true innovation as an iron from 10 years ago is absurd. As for the worlds best playing them the worlds best except Koepka are being paid many millions to use equipment like Callaway, TM, and Titleist.