PXG laying off workers... Any credible information? (Merged)

[woods991]

gotta love the sugar daddy PXG topics!!!

[ssfranny]

> @aabb312 said:

> > @SEP1006 said:

> > > @KMeloney said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

> > >

> > > Say what?

> > >

> > > These PXG threads are amazing.

> >

> >

> > You are so correct. I love my PXG clubs and **TO ME** are the best looking, forgiving and performing clubs that I've had. And at one time or another I've had some from each of the OEM's. Doesn't matter what the original post is about the results are always the same.

> >

> > Are they priced high, yes.

> > Does Parsons rub some people wrong, yes.

> > Are they significantly better clubs than the other OEM's, no. But that's why there are options, to each there own and we individually get to spend our money on what we want and can afford.

> >

> > The HATERS come out, no other 3 letters ( PXG ) on this board since I have been here have caused this much negativity. If you don't like them then don't buy them or have anything to do with them. I for one have never been a Titleist fan and I'm sure others here have OEM's they don't like for WHATEVER reason.

> >

> > FLAME SUIT ON - FIRE AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but do you regularly play private top 100 courses? I say this because I've noticed more antipathy towards PXG's at those courses vs. muni/lower calibre places where they are sort of revered. (I've purchased three sets of PXG's and don't like 'em, but that's another issue.)

>

>

 

and here you go again. Since theyre primarily sold at private courses and country clubs makes no sense you see more at munis. I rarely see anyone playing them at public courses. Private, yes.

[aabb312]

Interesting

Edited August 20, 2023 by aabb312

[Bebsport678]

I feel awful for the people that were layed off as it seems Parsons openly admitted to it. I don’t hate the guy and I think his clubs are good quality but it’s hard to figure out everything that’s going on here.

[dxdgenert]

> @aabb312 said:

> PXG 211's are budget clubs. Enough said.

>

>

 

Mine were very cheap ($550 used) so I agree. Just don't tell Pat Perez since he's playing them this year.

[tcutshaw1723]

I like PXG clubs. It's a quality product and an expensive one at that. It reminds me of people who buy an Infinity over a Nissan. There's not much difference in performance or the way they're made but you feel cooler driving an Infinity.

[Pepperturbo]

There are NOT remotely enough people willing to fork out 2k-5k for a set of golf clubs. To do that one has to be highly successful, committed to the game and think PXG is the best, which is subjective, plus not every customer is paying even near retail for PXG. Additionally, those that buy using time payment CC are not likely second-time buyers. So, it wouldn't shock me if it's learned PXG faces P&L red ink problems, especially if the owner's tax liability elsewhere has dwindled not calling for the red-ink cash-flow that PXG has likely provided. The other influence is good golfers tend not to change clubs nearly as often as club ho's and club ho's don't spend 2k-5k. The other thought is can't imagine what PXG's tour presence costs along with tour contracts.

 

Consider though Titleist has a strong tour and contract presence it has #1 Titleist golf ball revenue to offset it, along with a highly successful line of clubs where their best can still be had for under 2k.

 

 

[the bishop]

PXG, IMHO is really positioning itself as more of a lifestyle brand. With the introduction of clothing, and also looking at their website and they also sell PXG branded dog collars and leashes and backpacks and duffels. Not that they don't care about being a performance equipment company - I believe they do. But they are looking for people to buy into the PXG image as a whole. I could argue that Ben Hogan is doing much the same thing at the other end of the pricing spectrum. They are also selling backpacks and duffels. No clothing - yet - but who knows. And both appealing to polar opposite ends of the spectrum. BH to the more button down tradition crowd and PXG to the, well, PXG crowd. And both offer pretty decent looking full bag solutions.

[QuigleyDU]

Bob tweeted out about the rumors. I think he spins it pretty good. Confirms but does not confirm.

 

 

[aabb312]

 

 

haha

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by aabb312

[MaineMariner]

PXG inspires backlash because it's a luxury brand. A luxury brand that pops up overnight declaring itself a luxury brand is a little eye roll-inspiring, no matter what industry you're in. It's like... declaring yourself cool is very uncool.

[SEP1006]

> @aabb312 said:

> > @SEP1006 said:

> > > @KMeloney said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > People think the game is now too easy so why bother.

> > >

> > > Say what?

> > >

> > > These PXG threads are amazing.

> >

> >

> > You are so correct. I love my PXG clubs and **TO ME** are the best looking, forgiving and performing clubs that I've had. And at one time or another I've had some from each of the OEM's. Doesn't matter what the original post is about the results are always the same.

> >

> > Are they priced high, yes.

> > Does Parsons rub some people wrong, yes.

> > Are they significantly better clubs than the other OEM's, no. But that's why there are options, to each there own and we individually get to spend our money on what we want and can afford.

> >

> > The HATERS come out, no other 3 letters ( PXG ) on this board since I have been here have caused this much negativity. If you don't like them then don't buy them or have anything to do with them. I for one have never been a Titleist fan and I'm sure others here have OEM's they don't like for WHATEVER reason.

> >

> > FLAME SUIT ON - FIRE AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but do you regularly play private top 100 courses? I say this because I've noticed more antipathy towards PXG's at those courses vs. muni/lower calibre places where they are sort of revered. (I've purchased three sets of PXG's and don't like 'em, but that's another issue.)

>

>

 

 

I wished I played the top 100 regularly. I live in Pearland, Tx and belong to a Club Corp Course. Magnolia Creek is basically my home course and there are probably 4 - 5 of us with PXG clubs. The few times I do travel I look for nice courses to play that are reasonably priced.

[dxdgenert]

> @tcutshaw1723 said:

> I like PXG clubs. It's a quality product and an expensive one at that. It reminds me of people who buy an Infinity over a Nissan. There's not much difference in performance or the way they're made but you feel cooler driving an Infinity.

 

I had to laugh at this as I must be the perfect customer: two Acura’s, an RDX and MDX, reside in my garage. Sounds a lot cooler than owning a CRV and Pilot, right?

[snagy2000]

This thread is no different than the pxg hate thread of last week...the mods need to close just like they did the one last week... Don't be bitter, play better....

[Philomathesq]

> @QMany said:

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>

> Denies THP's reports of laying off several dozen... then admits to laying off 26.

 

So, it would appear that you dislike PXG and are allowing that dislike to cloud your comprehension skills. If you take an unbiased look at what Parsons said, it can be reconciled completely. THPgolf reported that several dozen employees were laid off _and_ more soon. Parsons says this is not true. The inclusion of the word "and" in THPgolf's report creates a conjunctive statement. In order to be valid, it would have to be true that PXG laid employees off _and_ more are to be laid off soon. Parsons, presumably with no plans to lay anyone off in the near future, can properly claim THPgolf's statement is false because no layoffs are planned. And, given that he admitted that 26 employees didn't make the cut, it seems quite clear he isn't disputing that employees were laid off.

[dxdgenert]

> @Philomathesq said:

> > @QMany said:

> >

> >

> > Denies THP's reports of laying off several dozen... then admits to laying off 26.

>

> So, it would appear that you dislike PXG and are allowing that dislike to cloud your comprehension skills. If you take an unbiased look at what Parsons said, it can be reconciled completely. THPgolf reported that several dozen employees were laid off _and_ more soon. Parsons says this is not true. The inclusion of the word "and" in THPgolf's report creates a conjunctive statement. In order to be valid, it would have to be true that PXG laid employees off _and_ more are to be laid off soon. Parsons, presumably with no plans to lay anyone off in the near future, can properly claim THPgolf's statement is false because no layoffs are planned. And, given that he admitted that 26 employees didn't make the cut, it seems quite clear he isn't disputing that employees were laid off.

 

I'm also seeing a possible net +15 employees, correct? That's assuming they hire 41 more but at least that is his plan.

[awtryau89]

THP is trash and has more of an agenda against PXG than anyone on here.

[g-off]

All the negative talk is making me want to run and take advantage of the heroes program just to be "that guy" unfortunately quite a few vets at my course have them and love them, the only ones who didn't like them never got fitted and just bought online. On the other side anyone hit the 0211's vs the gen 2 0311?

[Bad9]

> @"the bishop" said:

> PXG, IMHO is really positioning itself as more of a lifestyle brand. With the introduction of clothing, and also looking at their website and they also sell PXG branded dog collars and leashes and backpacks and duffels. Not that they don't care about being a performance equipment company - I believe they do. But they are looking for people to buy into the PXG image as a whole. I could argue that Ben Hogan is doing much the same thing at the other end of the pricing spectrum. They are also selling backpacks and duffels. No clothing - yet - but who knows. And both appealing to polar opposite ends of the spectrum. BH to the more button down tradition crowd and PXG to the, well, PXG crowd. And both offer pretty decent looking full bag solutions.

 

Ben Hogan clothes have been available at Walmart for years. It’s actually pretty good stuff. I think the clothes even predates the club line reincarnation by Terry Koehler.

[Philomathesq]

> @g-off said:

> All the negative talk is making me want to run and take advantage of the heroes program just to be "that guy" unfortunately quite a few vets at my course have them and love them, the only ones who didn't like them never got fitted and just bought online. On the other side **anyone hit the 0211's vs the gen 2 0311?**

 

I have. I went with the Gen 2 0311's. The 0211's are fine, but I've been playing forged irons for a while now and I just didn't get along with the 0211's. The 0311's, to me, feel much softer with better responsiveness.

[dxdgenert]

> @Philomathesq said:

> > @g-off said:

> > All the negative talk is making me want to run and take advantage of the heroes program just to be "that guy" unfortunately quite a few vets at my course have them and love them, the only ones who didn't like them never got fitted and just bought online. On the other side **anyone hit the 0211's vs the gen 2 0311?**

>

> I have. I went with the Gen 2 0311's. The 0211's are fine, but I've been playing forged irons for a while now and I just didn't get along with the 0211's. The 0311's, to me, feel much softer with better responsiveness.

 

I have an 0311X Gen 1 4 iron and it is very soft feeling. More so than the 0211 5-W. If the Gen2 is an improvement then it will be even better feeling.

[1Mordrid1]

PXG debates are as bad as the jacked loft debates. Some people just cannot get with times or understand anything outside of their own box of thinking.

 

PXG gets a lot of hate, but even if you believe they have no performance advantage how is that any different than a lot of high priced shoes and apparel from NIKE, or purses from Coach. This is true for many other brands in many different retail segments.

 

Just because you cannot see any value in one particular thing does not mean that someone else will not see the value in it. Just because you did not see a performance benefit from a specific set of irons does not mean no one else will.

 

For an example, my personal opinion is the PING i500s are a horrible set of irons. But that does not mean they are horrible for every golfer. Nor does it mean nobody else should want them.

 

So for those of you out there that think PXG has no value to them, or no performance benefit to them, that does not mean the same is true for everybody else. Get over it.....worry about what's in your bag, not someone elses.

 

[sshadow2]

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[braincramp52]

> @1Mordrid1 said:

> PXG debates are as bad as the jacked loft debates. Some people just cannot get with times or understand anything outside of their own box of thinking.

>

> PXG gets a lot of hate, but even if you believe they have no performance advantage how is that any different than a lot of high priced shoes and apparel from NIKE, or purses from Coach. This is true for many other brands in many different retail segments.

>

> Just because you cannot see any value in one particular thing does not mean that someone else will not see the value in it. Just because you did not see a performance benefit from a specific set of irons does not mean no one else will.

>

> For an example, my personal opinion is the PING i500s are a horrible set of irons. But that does not mean they are horrible for every golfer. Nor does it mean nobody else should want them.

>

> So for those of you out there that think PXG has no value to them, or no performance benefit to them, that does not mean the same is true for everybody else. Get over it.....worry about what's in your bag, not someone elses.

>

 

Well said!

[dxdgenert]

> @1Mordrid1 said:

> PXG debates are as bad as the jacked loft debates. Some people just cannot get with times or understand anything outside of their own box of thinking.

>

> PXG gets a lot of hate, but even if you believe they have no performance advantage how is that any different than a lot of high priced shoes and apparel from NIKE, or purses from Coach. This is true for many other brands in many different retail segments.

>

> Just because you cannot see any value in one particular thing does not mean that someone else will not see the value in it. Just because you did not see a performance benefit from a specific set of irons does not mean no one else will.

>

> For an example, my personal opinion is the PING i500s are a horrible set of irons. But that does not mean they are horrible for every golfer. Nor does it mean nobody else should want them.

>

> So for those of you out there that think PXG has no value to them, or no performance benefit to them, that does not mean the same is true for everybody else. Get over it.....worry about what's in your bag, not someone elses.

>

 

I think that this post can bring everyone together: PXG lovers and haters... We can all agree the PING i500’s are horrible. Period.

[Jungleland]

Looks like Bob fired 26 poor performers and reallocated resources to 41 positions that will offer better yields to the company. Net +15 is not a layoff, though when your bread and butter is tied to one OEM (Callaway) I guess it’s OK to recklessly cast opinion as fact. Dr. Bob, just give away a bunch of free crap to those guys and they’ll revere you too.

[JDMRN81]

 

[ssfranny]

They have only $80 million in sales?

[tcutshaw1723]

> @dxdgenert said:

> > @tcutshaw1723 said:

> > I like PXG clubs. It's a quality product and an expensive one at that. It reminds me of people who buy an Infinity over a Nissan. There's not much difference in performance or the way they're made but you feel cooler driving an Infinity.

>

> I had to laugh at this as I must be the perfect customer: two Acura’s, an RDX and MDX, reside in my garage. Sounds a lot cooler than owning a CRV and Pilot, right?

 

hahahaha right?!?! I have no room to talk as I actually own 2 Infiniti's as well. You feel a heck of a lot better pulling into valet in a qx80 than you do in an Armada. Both are quality products but one just feels better.

[the bishop]

> @Bad9 said:

> > @"the bishop" said:

> > PXG, IMHO is really positioning itself as more of a lifestyle brand. With the introduction of clothing, and also looking at their website and they also sell PXG branded dog collars and leashes and backpacks and duffels. Not that they don't care about being a performance equipment company - I believe they do. But they are looking for people to buy into the PXG image as a whole. I could argue that Ben Hogan is doing much the same thing at the other end of the pricing spectrum. They are also selling backpacks and duffels. No clothing - yet - but who knows. And both appealing to polar opposite ends of the spectrum. BH to the more button down tradition crowd and PXG to the, well, PXG crowd. And both offer pretty decent looking full bag solutions.

>

> Ben Hogan clothes have been available at Walmart for years. It’s actually pretty good stuff. I think the clothes even predates the club line reincarnation by Terry Koehler.

 

You are quite right and sometimes I forget the convoluted way the Ben Hogan name is managed. The Ben Hogan trademark is owned by Perry Ellis who licenses it out, including to the Ben Hogan golf equipment compamy. As you pointed out WalMart carries a line of clothing bearing the Ben Hogan name and even Roger Dunn golf shops sells/has sold some Ben Hogan branded clothing (a little higher quality than is found at WalMart). So I guess its conceivable the Ben Hogan golf equipment company could introduce a line of clothing as well but not sure what agreements Perry Ellis might have in place that could prevent it.