PXG laying off workers... Any credible information? (Merged)

[munichop]

PXG from a cultural standpoint reminds me of "new" money in an "old" money golf world. Where PXG has stepped on a lot of toes is they went right for the high end market without putting time and effort into courting everyday golfers. Remember though this is a hobby business and only answers to its owner who by many accounts is a little eccentric with an out sized personality. As to their clubs I have hit a few of their irons on the range from sets of guys I know in my casual golf group and they are nice sticks. I am not PXG's target customer but their stuff is fitted which is probably the most important thing for the player. I don't think I have played with anyone who beat me yet with a set of their clubs so the clubs have their limits. At the high end market clubs are a matter of taste, like expensive wine, cigars, cars etc. The brashness of PXG (see comment from chisag) is what is off putting for a lot of people.

[QuigleyDU]

> @chisag said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> ... Class products promote themselves with class. There is no doubt PXG produce a classy product and there are those willing to pay for it. Of course nothing wrong with that. But I have never seen _**class**_ promoted with such _**crass**_. Bob Parsons may be a great guy, but his TV ego is completely out of control and his commercials remind me of the very guy I never want to run into on a golf course. Loud, pompous and elitist. The kind of golfer that plays music others don't like at a very LOUD level with their cart speaker, doesn't repair ball marks or divots and takes the cart right next to the green and a few feet off the tee box saving 3 steps and killing the grass. Whether or not any of the above is true, this is what his commercials conjures up in my mind. Can anyone really imagine a Mercedes or Bentley commercial in the same style?

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Very well said.

[GoGoErky]

I don’t think a net +15 hires is cutting fat. They reorg’d and let people go that underperformed or were no longer needed in their respective areas and hired where they needed new staff.

[snagy2000]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @chisag said:

> > > @ssfranny said:

> > > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> > ... Class products promote themselves with class. There is no doubt PXG produce a classy product and there are those willing to pay for it. Of course nothing wrong with that. But I have never seen _**class**_ promoted with such _**crass**_. Bob Parsons may be a great guy, but his TV ego is completely out of control and his commercials remind me of the very guy I never want to run into on a golf course. Loud, pompous and elitist. The kind of golfer that plays music others don't like at a very LOUD level with their cart speaker, doesn't repair ball marks or divots and takes the cart right next to the green and a few feet off the tee box saving 3 steps and killing the grass. Whether or not any of the above is true, this is what his commercials conjures up in my mind. Can anyone really imagine a Mercedes or Bentley commercial in the same style?

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> Very well said.

 

it's called marketing and it's working because people are talking about it whether they like it or not...

[ssfranny]

> @dxdgenert said:

> I’m loving that PXG is supposedly opening a store here in Minneapolis. Woohoo!

 

Really wow should do really well and yeah they keep opening retail locations so if they were struggling dont think this would be the case. Twin Cities has the most golfers per capita of any city in the US from what Ive read. Great move on their part and now have something else to do In MPLS other than Mall of America haha

[QuigleyDU]

> @snagy2000 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @chisag said:

> > > > @ssfranny said:

> > > > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> > > ... Class products promote themselves with class. There is no doubt PXG produce a classy product and there are those willing to pay for it. Of course nothing wrong with that. But I have never seen _**class**_ promoted with such _**crass**_. Bob Parsons may be a great guy, but his TV ego is completely out of control and his commercials remind me of the very guy I never want to run into on a golf course. Loud, pompous and elitist. The kind of golfer that plays music others don't like at a very LOUD level with their cart speaker, doesn't repair ball marks or divots and takes the cart right next to the green and a few feet off the tee box saving 3 steps and killing the grass. Whether or not any of the above is true, this is what his commercials conjures up in my mind. Can anyone really imagine a Mercedes or Bentley commercial in the same style?

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> it's called marketing and it's working because people are talking about it whether they like it or not...

 

Its giving them street cred. haha.

[ssfranny]

> @chisag said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> ... Class products promote themselves with class. There is no doubt PXG produce a classy product and there are those willing to pay for it. Of course nothing wrong with that. But I have never seen _**class**_ promoted with such _**crass**_. Bob Parsons may be a great guy, but his TV ego is completely out of control and his commercials remind me of the very guy I never want to run into on a golf course. Loud, pompous and elitist. The kind of golfer that plays music others don't like at a very LOUD level with their cart speaker, doesn't repair ball marks or divots and takes the cart right next to the green and a few feet off the tee box saving 3 steps and killing the grass. Whether or not any of the above is true, this is what his commercials conjures up in my mind. Can anyone really imagine a Mercedes or Bentley commercial in the same style?

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I respect your thoughts and you know of what you speak from seeing your posts in the past on GEA. I agree with the Kaboom Baby being childish and best golf clubs made.Period. Youd think he'd know that could possibly turn off his target market. Should just do testomonials in commericals or talk up Heroes program.

[pinestreetgolf]

> @ssfranny said:

> Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

 

Its just what you value versus what you do not value. I'm not making a judgment (AGAIN, I am not giving my own opinion here) but PXG is Bob Parsons and Bob Parsons is PXG.

 

On the one hand, he supports the troops / first-responders. That resonates positively with a certain crowd.

 

On the other hand, he is an on-record extreme misogynist whose commercials some would find pretty distasteful. The resonates negatively with a different crowd.

 

On the third hand, there are people who are straight-up jelly, because the equipment is really good.

 

It is difficult to explain to someone who is not in the Armed Services what is heroic about spending four years making $40k/year in the mess hall at Fort Bragg and the closest you come to risking your life is driving across the base in a golf cart. There are also heroes who are actual heroes. "I was in the army or police somewhere at some point" = "I'm a hero" doesn't resonate as well with some as with others.

 

It is difficult to explain to someone who is in the "PC has run amok!!" crowd why putting a very accomplished female on an advertisement for her looks and not her incredible accomplishments is demeaning.

 

Neither group will ever understand the other one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

But that is why he is so polarizing. Love him or hate him, he speaks to some of the deep-rooted beliefs of many be it good or ill.

 

 

[SEP1006]

> @pinestreetgolf said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> Its just what you value versus what you do not value. I'm not making a judgment (AGAIN, I am not giving my own opinion here) but PXG is Bob Parsons and Bob Parsons is PXG.

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> On the one hand, he supports the troops / first-responders. That resonates positively with a certain crowd.

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> On the other hand, he is an on-record extreme misogynist whose commercials some would find pretty distasteful. The resonates negatively with a different crowd.

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> On the third hand, there are people who are straight-up jelly, because the equipment is really good.

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> It is difficult to explain to someone who is not in the Armed Services what is heroic about spending four years making $40k/year in the mess hall at Fort Bragg and the closest you come to risking your life is driving across the base in a golf cart. There are also heroes who are actual heroes. "I was in the army or police somewhere at some point" = "I'm a hero" doesn't resonate as well with some as with others.

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> It is difficult to explain to someone who is in the "PC has run amok!!" crowd why putting a very accomplished female on an advertisement for her looks and not her incredible accomplishments is demeaning.

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> Neither group will ever understand the other one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

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> But that is why he is so polarizing. Love him or hate him, he speaks to some of the deep-rooted beliefs of many be it good or ill.

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GREAT post !!!!!!!!!!!

[braincramp52]

> @pinestreetgolf said:

> > @ssfranny said:

> > Man I really dont get all the visceral hate for PXG. I wonder if people go on car forums and bash a Mercedes or Bentley like they do PXG in here.

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> Its just what you value versus what you do not value. I'm not making a judgment (AGAIN, I am not giving my own opinion here) but PXG is Bob Parsons and Bob Parsons is PXG.

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> On the one hand, he supports the troops / first-responders. That resonates positively with a certain crowd.

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> On the other hand, he is an on-record extreme misogynist whose commercials some would find pretty distasteful. The resonates negatively with a different crowd.

>

> On the third hand, there are people who are straight-up jelly, because the equipment is really good.

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> It is difficult to explain to someone who is not in the Armed Services what is heroic about spending four years making $40k/year in the mess hall at Fort Bragg and the closest you come to risking your life is driving across the base in a golf cart. There are also heroes who are actual heroes. "I was in the army or police somewhere at some point" = "I'm a hero" doesn't resonate as well with some as with others.

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> It is difficult to explain to someone who is in the "PC has run amok!!" crowd why putting a very accomplished female on an advertisement for her looks and not her incredible accomplishments is demeaning.

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> Neither group will ever understand the other one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

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> But that is why he is so polarizing. Love him or hate him, he speaks to some of the deep-rooted beliefs of many be it good or ill.

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Nicely done! Post of the year.

[mootrail]

Isn't this a non equipment thread that should be moved elsewhere???

[aabb312]

> @rizzo66 said:

> > @lawsonman said:

> > They could just be getting rid of some dead weight.

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> That's exactly what they did - underperforming sales reps and fitters that had sub standard CS reviews Parsons demands performance in all his companies and his golf business is now different.

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No comment

Edited August 20, 2023 by aabb312

[dxdgenert]

> @aabb312 said:

> > @rizzo66 said:

> > > @lawsonman said:

> > > They could just be getting rid of some dead weight.

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> > That's exactly what they did - underperforming sales reps and fitters that had sub standard CS reviews Parsons demands performance in all his companies and his golf business is now different.

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>If only, they could say sure "sure let's get this fixed" and then send me a bill I'd be fine...

 

>"well, you do understand it's been more than 30 days so we're going to charge you.."

 

How are those two statements different? We asked you for more details in your other thread and you failed to provide them.

 

[aabb312]

This is good stuff

Edited August 20, 2023 by aabb312

[snagy2000]

His thread was locked last week. Now he's crying here, good grief. I know for a fact PXG will go above and beyond on the CS side. Their master fitter in my area is just awesome and has helped handful of people I know well after 30 days.

[aabb312]

Hm

Edited August 20, 2023 by aabb312

[dxdgenert]

> @aabb312 said:

> Yes, I failed to provide them. More accurately I chose not to. Why, my post is aimed at people who are used to traditional luxury products and services, who in turn have certain service expectations.

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> But hey, it seems like you got some real bargain clubs and I'm glad they are working out for ya!

 

You are such a pompous jerk.

[snagy2000]

> @aabb312 said:

> Oh, I didn't actually know it was locked. Thanks for cyberstalking, though. :)

 

Uh, ok little buddy...Run along to your next pxg hate thread...

[MIKEY3PUTT]

When people are referring to Parsons commercials, are they talking about the old Go-daddy ads, or PXG commercials? Just curious. I don't remember ever seeing a PXG commercial on TV, and when was the last time you've actually seen a Go-daddy commercial? 2014 maybe?

[Soccerrick10]

In 50 years of employment, I’ve been laid off twice. Both were at or just after Christmas (which sucks even more because you’ve already spent the money). That’s the nature of the auto industry too. It sucks, but both were less than 2 months each.

[Warrior42111]

the two companies I’ve worked for in my industry (aerospace) do the same end of year things. First company had reviews done by end of November and lowest 5% were gone unless it was a hard position to fill. Other company was right sizing to get the books squared for the next year.

stinks indeed but I feel like the winter time before the new year is commonplace

[lakecowboy]

I work in oil and gas, it’s an annual/semi-annual thing with layoffs. Tends to make me numb to others talking about layoffs because it’s so common place in my industry.

[Sean2]

I never paid too much attention to PXG, as they serve a market I am currently not a member of.

[18thbunker]

Ditto.

[MtlJeff]

This thread's been hanging around a while...does anyone know how many people were actually laid off and what percentage of staff it was? There's a lot of posturing about their business model and the market and etc etc....is it possible this was just a company laying off a few people, which literally every company does from time to time?

Pinestreet's post above was very good, PXG definitely generates a strong reaction. I get it though because its probably the reaction Parsons wants to be honest. There was a guy on this board who used to post a lot about PXG and openly said a primary reason he bought the clubs to take pride in owning things other people couldn't....i remember thinking that was the perfect PXG customer. Like it or not that's probably how many see the brand. Again some brands WANT that

[GoGoErky]

It was a net gain of 15 employees. Let go of 26, hire 41.

[MtlJeff]

Thanks!

[JStang]

 

I know I'm late to reply to this but I look at it the other way. They came into the market with a high priced product that seems untouchable to many who can't afford them. This makes the brand desirable and peaks interest as to how good they must be at this premium of a price point. Now they come to the market with a "more affordable" 0211 set that more people can afford. Now, the consumer can get a piece of this luxury brand without breaking the bank.

 

I know the comparison is used a lot, but think of car companies. I will use BMW for example. 20 years ago, it was a luxury brand that wasn't affordable by most. In the small town I grew up in, I can probably count on one hand how many people had a BMW. Now, they have some many different models that they are affordable for most people looking for a new car if they want an entry level.

[ChristopherMcDonald]

BMW's are not affordable for most people looking for an entry level car. An entry level BMW is double the average income in the US.

[chippa13]

Let's see; the real median household income in 2018 was a hair above $63k so I guess that puts the entry level BMW at $126k by your math.