Is anyone still into True Length Technology (TLT) Fitting?

[wcgolfer]

I played TLT about 6-8!years ago but went back to standard gapping. I found my old fitting charts recently and wondered if anyone is stilling playing TLT?

[azgreg]

On 5/23/2020 at 6:21 AM, wcgolfer said:

I played TLT about 6-8!years ago but went back to standard gapping. I found my old fitting charts recently and wondered if anyone is stilling playing TLT?

I'm still a TLT guy. The best thing I've ever done equipment wise for my game.

 

[Feelingofgreatness]

I'm a TLT guy. No better way to fit in my opinion. What is the downside of the same forward spine tilt and hand position for every iron? 

[TheDominator273]

What makes the online fit worth $69 over just doing some math of your own?

[jgard320]

Kind of curious...what is your length/lie progression for those of you that use a TLT set up?

[wcgolfer]

On 2/7/2021 at 7:12 PM, Feelingofgreatness said:

I'm a TLT guy. No better way to fit in my opinion. What is the downside of the same forward spine tilt and hand position for every iron? 

Swing weights all over the place. 

[Feelingofgreatness]

25 minutes ago, wcgolfer said:

Swing weights all over the place. 

Not if you use a real builder or get PXG clubs! That's why I love the screws!

Not only are my SWs perfect. I was able to get them MOI matched with my TLT build.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Feelingofgreatness

[wcgolfer]

Ok, so I’ll throw in wedges that are way too long and gapping issues. 
 

Other than that, it’s great. 

Edited February 15, 2021 by wcgolfer

[DB Golf]

On 2/7/2021 at 4:09 PM, azgreg said:

I'm still a TLT guy. The best thing I've ever done equipment wise for my game.

 

I’m thinking of going this route. Does your set match swing weights and MOI?

[DB Golf]

On 2/7/2021 at 7:35 PM, TheDominator273 said:

What makes the online fit worth $69 over just doing some math of your own?

I wondered the same. Using the dimensions of my favorite club as the baseline, the math seems straightforward. However, if head weight progressions are built off standard length progressions, then it seems there might be a need for significant weight adjustments to maintain constant swing weight. 

[DB Golf]

On 2/15/2021 at 4:56 PM, Feelingofgreatness said:

Not if you use a real builder or get PXG clubs! That's why I love the screws!

Not only are my SWs perfect. I was able to get them MOI matched with my TLT build.

Who is your builder?

[azgreg]

2 hours ago, DB Golf said:

I’m thinking of going this route. Does your set match swing weights and MOI?

I've never checked SW or MOI.

 

[5hort5tuff]

I used it for a number of years. I still use my own variant. I basically play my long irons short, say -1", and my wedges less short, maybe -.25 or .5.  I think it is a great idea and much better than traditional length progression.   I did notice that my original specs based on TLT put everything much shorter than I needed to play. Generally lost height and distance. 

 

I did find it took me years to figure out what I preferred in terms of lengths and swingweights. 

 

 

[JCAG]

I never did TLT. I build and played with two sets of single length irons. While they did not work for me, I did discover that I liked longer length high number clubs ala 8 to W's, but not shorter 3 to 6 iron. So now I basically build irons with with 1/4th of an inch difference in the higher number clubs. Example:

5 iron 38.5

6 iron 38 

7 iron 37.5

8 iron 37.25 instead of 37

9 iron 37 instead of 36.5

W irons 36.75 instead of 36

 

YMMV

 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by JCAG

[DB Golf]

19 hours ago, JCAG said:

5 iron 38.5

6 iron 38 

7 iron 37.5

8 iron 37.25 instead of 37

9 iron 37 instead of 36.5

W irons 36.75 instead of 36

Helpful—thanks. Do you SW match or MOI match?

[JCAG]

4 hours ago, DB Golf said:

Helpful—thanks. Do you SW match or MOI match?

I do no neither. Though I have a SW scale, I let the SW go where it will.

[5hort5tuff]

Why not adjust if you have the equipment? 

[WristySwing]

I've fit 2 or 3 players who were using TLT before and the numbers were less than ideal.  Huge gapping issues, very inconsistent contact, and so on.  I would chalk it up to an inexperienced builder or a hack fitter if they all came from the same place but these were from 2 different facilities both with similar results.  All clients moved on to traditional builds and saw immediate improvement in their scoring games, supposedly.  Just goes to show there is not one band-aid fix all for everyone.  Some love TLT, others hate it.  Some love OL, others struggle.  Some think conventional spacing is the way to go, others look to alternative methods and find success.

 

The only way to really know if it is for you or not is to go down the rabbit hole and try it.  I did and I shanked literally every club from the 8i on down at the range first time out that I took them into work right away and rebuilt them.  The long irons were fine but not enough of an improvement to say it was worth the wonky length progressions.

[Cwebb]

On 1/7/2023 at 3:55 AM, WristySwing said:

I've fit 2 or 3 players who were using TLT before and the numbers were less than ideal.  Huge gapping issues, very inconsistent contact, and so on.  I would chalk it up to an inexperienced builder or a hack fitter if they all came from the same place but these were from 2 different facilities both with similar results.  All clients moved on to traditional builds and saw immediate improvement in their scoring games, supposedly.  Just goes to show there is not one band-aid fix all for everyone.  Some love TLT, others hate it.  Some love OL, others struggle.  Some think conventional spacing is the way to go, others look to alternative methods and find success.

 

The only way to really know if it is for you or not is to go down the rabbit hole and try it.  I did and I shanked literally every club from the 8i on down at the range first time out that I took them into work right away and rebuilt them.  The long irons were fine but not enough of an improvement to say it was worth the wonky length progressions.

 

Sounds like the swing-weight and balance didn't fit you in the shorter clubs.  Not everybody fits into the typical progressive swing-weight and head heavy balance that a typical longer length short iron build produces