Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[TheDeanAbides]

14 hours ago, Golf_Goof said:

Question for the NTC crew: I’ve been working on the drills daily and still feel somewhat above plane on the downswing and coming in open. Video confirmed just that. 
 

I noticed that my trail elbow tends to flare too much compared with what I know good looks like. 
 

Back to the casting drill; I noticed that I can ulnar and flex sort of independent of how my trail elbow is positioned and wonder if that’s something I need to be more mindful of as well. That is, keeping the elbow more vertical or tucked in.

Can you get a video up? It's dangerous to diagnose without seeing your swing. 

[TheDeanAbides]

13 hours ago, SlyFrog said:

So I got the video (along with Broomforce and the Efficient Swing), and I want to be sure I've just mentally got the sequencing of this correct. I've been playing around with it, and it really feels like there is something there for me - I think I'm making better contract after doing the drills, and I have hope that it is helping to break my bad habit of trying to fire my shoulders laterally as the first move.

 

Am I correct that effectively, from address on, it should basically be:

 

• Shaft parallel (basically vertical wrist hinge along with some flattening of the left wrist)

 

• Left arm parallel (additional wrist hinge plus a small amount of left forearm rotation so that the shaft is 90 degrees to the left arm when the left arm is parallel)

 

• Additional body rotation/push back of the left arm so that you end up at 8 o'clock - this also effectively becomes kind of the end of the backswing in terms of rotating torso/hips/moving your arms to the right)

 

• Then (this is where I got a little confused about order, which is part of why I'm doing this) transition into left leg/side (kind of the squatting/shifting into your left leg while keeping your back to the target)

 

• Then Cast A, where you ulnar deviate/motorcycle throttle/cast to 8 o'clock

 

• Then Cast B (sort of when you're kind of back toward downswing shaft parallel) to effectively sweep the club to 12 o'clock through the impact zone, which should also effectively trigger your rotation to come through)

 

Is that fairly accurate? I was momentarily getting confused as to the order of transition to left leg versus Cast A. While I get that things can blend into one another to a degree, after rewatching the videos I think the idea is that you are first shifting to the left/falling into that left leg (while keeping back to the target) and then doing Cast A, right? (Again, they can somewhat happen together, but the big point is you're not firing off Cast A and then transitioning - the transition happens first or at worst at the same time as Cast A.)

 

Also, regarding Cast A - the cast to 8 o'clock is more with your wrists/right elbow/forearm, right? The arms themselves tend to drop as you are doing this? I'm just having a hard time imagining actually throwing my left upper arm to 8'oclock behind me, and sense that it is more the wrist and forearms that are casting to 8 o'clock, although maybe this isn't something to worry about as it kind of fixes itself as long as you ulnar deviate to 8 o'clock?

Don't push back the left arm. After P3 (left are parallel) all that's required is a small turn of the shoulders. The section in the video where Monte shows the pushing back of the left arm is really for people who have a big disconnected overswing. 

 

Transition is just a slight bump, BUT this happens at left arm parallel rather than at the top. We're talking fractions of a second, but transition begins much sooner than you think. It's really a very small recentering of the tailbone. 

 

I wouldn't worry about cast b for now. For many people that happens without thought. That's there for handle draggers. 

[even_steven]

For me everything clicked when I realized I didn't do the shift/bump towards the target at the right moment. Now I feel an early shift when I'm still in my backswing and I also feel my head staying behind the ball at impact (just a feel). This allows the cast parts to happen by themselves for some reason. Very happy.

 

[Golf_Goof]

2 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Can you get a video up? It's dangerous to diagnose without seeing your swing. 

The ones I took are not in slo-mo and out of position (and yes, I've reviewed the "how to film your swing thread"). Once I get the camera dialed in I'll post one. 

 

The part about elbow position while casting I noticed in the mirror - that I could do the wrist motions properly (in my estimation) while also being able to move the elbow around.  

[TheDeanAbides]

2 hours ago, Golf_Goof said:

The ones I took are not in slo-mo and out of position (and yes, I've reviewed the "how to film your swing thread"). Once I get the camera dialed in I'll post one. 

 

The part about elbow position while casting I noticed in the mirror - that I could do the wrist motions properly (in my estimation) while also being able to move the elbow around.  

Doesn't have to be slo-mo, but positioning well helps. 

 

If your wrist conditions, sequencing and forearm rotation are correct then that flaring shouldn't happen, but determining which if those are off requires seeing your swing. :) 

[Golf_Goof]

2 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Doesn't have to be slo-mo, but positioning well helps. 

 

If your wrist conditions, sequencing and forearm rotation are correct then that flaring shouldn't happen, but determining which if those are off requires seeing your swing. 🙂

Ok here goes. I think this was 8 iron:

 

 

And here is trying to get the elbow down/in more:

 

 

 

[mrjrogolfer]

To this naked eye looks pretty good.

On the subject of transition, here is a prior post by Monte laying out various options, which I've found quite instructive. The ones I use are in bold:

 

Left arm off chest

Left shoulder off chin

“Keep back to target”

Left shoulder down and forward to left leg

Lead with right elbow

Stay in left tilt longer

Regain flexion

Dropping arms (out and forward too)

 

[TheDeanAbides]

There's nothing wrong with your right arm in the first swing. If you try and get tighter it's going to cause more problems. Can't see much wrong with transition either. 

 

Are you curtailing your follow through for any reason?

[mrjrogolfer]

I didn't see any excessive trail arm flare, either. Certainly not even close to Jack's "flying elbow."

[TheDeanAbides]

This is pretty much ideal with the arm parallel to the spine.

[Golf_Goof]

50 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

There's nothing wrong with your right arm in the first swing. If you try and get tighter it's going to cause more problems. Can't see much wrong with transition either. 

 

Are you curtailing your follow through for any reason?

Thanks. 

 

No real reason - just working on punch type shots to drill the feels.

43 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

This is pretty much ideal with the arm parallel to the spine.

😎

[TheDeanAbides]

16 hours ago, Golf_Goof said:

Thanks. 

 

No real reason - just working on punch type shots to drill the feels.

😎

Okay, cool. I wondered if it was a limitation of the space you're in. 

[KD1]

"Im going to solve your casting by casting" -Dr Luke Benoit

 

6min 20sec

 

Aside from his disregard for the backswing in general I feel like he and Monte must have the same sensei. Lots of gold in that video.

 

... And maybe the intentional information overload. Not sure about that one.

Edited April 11 by KD1

[Nels55]

Interesting new video: