G425 max vs rouge st max. Battle of the forgiving drivers

[SwingMan]

I hit some little cuts with the Rogue ST Max 9 (at 😎 this afternoon on the range. I like it. I hit cuts with the G425 but the Rogue seems easier to hit a little cut that gets more distance than height for me.

 

Will update. But the Rogue was impressive cutting the ball.

[Hotdocta]

Well it was a battle royal!   When the dust settled,  I hit rouge max on average 4 yards further,  but the ping I hit 15 drives in a row that were identical ( not identical into the trees)

 

rogue wins on sound but I am not really turned off by the sound of ping.

 

feel I actually like the ping better.   I feel like the face has more feed back as opposed to the dull feeling of the rogue

[Hotdocta]

Thanks for everyone’s input 

[GolfTurkey]

1 minute ago, Hotdocta said:

rogue wins on sound but I am not really turned off by the sound of ping.

 

It's weird, I don't mind the sound of the Ping when  I hit it outside with a premium ball but I can't stand the sound when someone else uses one.

 

I was at the range a couple weeks ago and the guy to the left of me took out his G425 Max and started hitting range rocks. Then the guy to the right started hitting his; I had to move to the chipping green.

[Hotdocta]

26 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

It's weird, I don't mind the sound of the Ping when  I hit it outside with a premium ball but I can't stand the sound when someone else uses one.

 

I was at the range a couple weeks ago and the guy to the left of me took out his G425 Max and started hitting range rocks. Then the guy to the right started hitting his; I had to move to the chipping green.

lol I totally know what you mean!   When I am hitting it, not bad.   Somebody else, worse sounding club ever….well Nike sumo was also bad

[SwingMan]

2 hours ago, Hotdocta said:

Well it was a battle royal!   When the dust settled,  I hit rouge max on average 4 yards further,  but the ping I hit 15 drives in a row that were identical ( not identical into the trees)

 

rogue wins on sound but I am not really turned off by the sound of ping.

 

feel I actually like the ping better.   I feel like the face has more feed back as opposed to the dull feeling of the rogue

 

Dull? Don't you mean pleasing? lol.

 

Ping?  Don't you mean deafening?  Hitting it on the range is cringing, especially when someone else is hitting it on the range. On the course, hitting 12-14X a round is okay. Displeasing, abhorrent but not SQ2.

 

If the best you can say is that it's not a Nike SQ2, you've got a problem.

 

I own a Rogue and a G425 and hope Rogue wins the battle

[Hotdocta]

On 3/1/2022 at 11:34 PM, SwingMan said:

 

Dull? Don't you mean pleasing? lol.

 

Ping?  Don't you mean deafening?  Hitting it on the range is cringing, especially when someone else is hitting it on the range. On the course, hitting 12-14X a round is okay. Displeasing, abhorrent but not SQ2.

 

If the best you can say is that it's not a Nike SQ2, you've got a problem.

 

I own a Rogue and a G425 and hope Rogue wins the battle

 I hit them again, and this time the performance was identical.   It also comes down to the flat setting for me.  It just takes out the draw.

[akronswitness]

On 3/1/2022 at 10:49 PM, GolfTurkey said:

 

It's weird, I don't mind the sound of the Ping when  I hit it outside with a premium ball but I can't stand the sound when someone else uses one.

 

I was at the range a couple weeks ago and the guy to the left of me took out his G425 Max and started hitting range rocks. Then the guy to the right started hitting his; I had to move to the chipping green.

 

Whats the problem? Is it just loud? 

 

I also dont care too much about sound of a driver because it doesnt impact results. I hit the Nike Vapor driver with more consistency than any other driver I have used and that thing sounds like your hitting concrete with a bag of bricks.

 

Also, if the 425 and Rogue perform the same, I would lean towards the G425 just because of the turbulators on top. It is such a good visual aid when addressing your ball that is much better than a little chevron. At least IMO.

Edited March 7, 2022 by akronswitness

[Gooby]

Had to test it out for myself. Rouge ST Max is draw bias. G425 goes straight. Not to mention the adjustment. It’s a no brainer for me. 

[ShortSticks]

Both really great drivers IMHO. PING sound did not bother me but my playing partners hated it.

 

My problem with the PING G425 MAX was I never got consistent with it in the year I played it. I tried 4 or 5 shafts and different weight set ups, but could never tame that wild beast. I hit some bombs with it, but I also hit a lot of hooks. The high toe miss was bad for me sometimes hooking off the planet.  I could never get comfortable lining up the G425, I think it was the weird shape and too much bulge and roll (face curvature).

 

Callaway Rogue ST MAX wins for me. A more rounded shape with flatter face (less bulge and roll) makes it easier for me to line up. No Tubulators, just a clean look at address works better for me.  The Rogue is just as forgiving as the G425 but with better feel and sound. The Rogue also gets me better numbers on the sim, a couple more mph in ball speed and higher smash factor, but more importantly I hit it straighter and longer on the course.

[GolfTurkey]

3 hours ago, akronswitness said:

 

Whats the problem? Is it just loud? 

 

 

I guess all loud sounds aren't equal. There are pleasant loud sounds like a waterfall or the song of the wood thrush, and then there are my mother in law and the G425 Max...

[R5Two]

Mizuno 

[Hedgehog]

I put my Pings against the Rogues ST Max on Trackman after seeing some hype online. 

 

G400 Max, G425 Max vs Rogue ST Max.

 

Long story short, I still hit my G400 Max the straightest of these 3. G400 Max is the easiest of these for me to turn into a little fade or a straight shot.

 

G425 likes to go a bit left on me (even with weight in the toe) but has comparable ball speeds to Rogues ST Max, G400 Max loses a few mph compared these two.

 

I got some random low spinners with the Rogues ST, not sure why since my local TM can't see the strikes due to low lighting in the bay. Was using the RCT ball so all ball data was read correctly.

 

Rogue ST Max sounds better then the Pings, looks better at the ball but the shape is surprisingly rounded and to my eye the clubhead lay pretty upright even though I was using the tour length shaft. Also the built in draw bias has me a bit worried, maybe it would creep into my mind in a tight tee shot OB left.

 

So from here G400 Max is staying as the current gamer, though it is very worried about the LTD X's performance. 🙂

 

 

[dmeeksDC]

On 3/2/2022 at 1:34 AM, SwingMan said:

 

Dull? Don't you mean pleasing? lol.

 

Ping?  Don't you mean deafening?  Hitting it on the range is cringing, especially when someone else is hitting it on the range. On the course, hitting 12-14X a round is okay. Displeasing, abhorrent but not SQ2.

 

If the best you can say is that it's not a Nike SQ2, you've got a problem.

 

I own a Rogue and a G425 and hope Rogue wins the battle

The Rogue is not remotely dull, it is a normal volume. Rogue ST Max LS is like the best sounding driver I’ve hit. Preferred it on feel by a wide margin over the Stealth. Pings perform great but I returned a 425LST specifically due to it sounding like banging a trash can lid. It performs but it is clangy. Really, the new Callaway is like a Ping in forgiveness with way better sound and feel. If the OP is hitting a Callaway Rogue offline, it’s not the club. 

 

I always liked Ping drivers but the G400 was the last one I liked the sound of. They need to do something about it. Tour players get theirs hotmelted. Maybe Ping should start doing that in the factory. 

[SwingMan]

9 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

The Rogue is not remotely dull, it is a normal volume. Rogue ST Max LS is like the best sounding driver I’ve hit. Preferred it on feel by a wide margin over the Stealth. Pings perform great but I returned a 425LST specifically due to it sounding like banging a trash can lid. It performs but it is clangy. Really, the new Callaway is like a Ping in forgiveness with way better sound and feel. If the OP is hitting a Callaway Rogue offline, it’s not the club. 

 

I always liked Ping drivers but the G400 was the last one I liked the sound of. They need to do something about it. Tour players get theirs hotmelted. Maybe Ping should start doing that in the factory. 

 

I agree - the Rogue ST Max line sounds excellent.

 

But I am sending it back. I was more consistent with the Ping G425 Max in terms of ball speed and straight. It was not the Ping Killer for me that I thought it might be. For me, Ping is still King despite the sound, which doesn't bother me when hitting it. When someone else is hitting it, that's a different story. lol. 

 

I also played the G400 445cc and it was a good sounding driver, better than G400 max or 410, 425. It also performed. I may take the Rogue out one more time before shipping it just to make certain.

[WeritoK2]

Any updates on G425 MAX vs Rogue ST Max?

[Wardonation]

My miss is the dreaded HIGH block and the Rogue for now has taken care of that. IMO looks way better, sound (eh hotmelt takes care of it for Ping). Dispersion the same but higher BS with Rogue as well.

[freddi22cl]

play the G400 Max. Didnt see any noticeable improvement worthy to spend the coin on the G425

 

i get to try the Rogue ST at TXG next week, cant wait!!

[Smokey227]

I’m in the process of comparing these 2 now. Been playing the 425 since it came out and the G400 max before that. I haven’t been on the course yet, but the range sessions have been promising. Even crappy range balls feel good coming off the face. It reminds me of the feel of the OG M2. Looking forward to trying it on the course. 

[tomathist]

I tested both out at a shop, and went with Ping just because it had a better look (at least in my eye).

 

However, I do hate the sound too.... Hopefully I get used to it.

[SwingBlues]

On 3/13/2022 at 6:57 AM, dmeeksDC said:

The Rogue is not remotely dull, it is a normal volume. Rogue ST Max LS is like the best sounding driver I’ve hit. Preferred it on feel by a wide margin over the Stealth. Pings perform great but I returned a 425LST specifically due to it sounding like banging a trash can lid. It performs but it is clangy. Really, the new Callaway is like a Ping in forgiveness with way better sound and feel. If the OP is hitting a Callaway Rogue offline, it’s not the club. 

 

I always liked Ping drivers but the G400 was the last one I liked the sound of. They need to do something about it. Tour players get theirs hotmelted. Maybe Ping should start doing that in the factory. 

My sentiments exactly

 

My 425 lst was hot melted as well but it truly under performed with my swing. Sound was better than stock, still not great. Eventually I traded it for a SIM 2, blew the Ping away. Also for some unknown reason, the Ping was also a hook machine… personally I was disappointed my 425 lst did not pan out having liked the hype & had expected it to be better than my 410 lst. Oh well.
 

Now, my Rogue ST Max LS has the performance of what the 425 lst should have HAD - length & forgiveness but with much, much, better sound. That’s my experience…

 

I will say, for me, the Ping G LS was the last Ping that was silly long & great sounding.

[Smokey227]

Does the Rogue launch really high for anyone else? I took mine to the course today for the first time and really liked it but was launching higher than my G425 or even my previous G400 max. I turned it to -1 setting and it flattened out quite a bit but I was not expecting it to launch as high as it was.