Martin chuck- Performance Golf Zone videos/YouTube

[Liveonce]

I like Martins content, but wow— a 30 minute ad pitch for this new “technique”. Sheesh….

[Dinosaur]

On 8/5/2022 at 7:44 PM, Liveonce said:

I like Martins content, but wow— a 30 minute ad pitch for this new “technique”. Sheesh….

effective  "marketing" ?  I would bet that a number of folks will look it up out of curiosity and a number of them will be converts 

[11bravoveteran]

Is this the equivalent of golf instruction going to liv golf? If your gonna help people just help them..not be connected to a site pushing automatic monthly subscriptions that can be canceled in 14 days if there’s no issues..

[Dinosaur]

which auto subscriptions are you referring - Martin Chuck or Eric Cognoro?

[Hawkeye77]

Haha, he can market however he wants and now he's got this thread to help as well!

 

Win for Martin! (Who seems like a really good guy).

[Liveonce]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Haha, he can market however he wants and now he's got this thread to help as well!

 

Win for Martin! (Who seems like a really good guy).

not disputing that. Just a very strange pivot for him. 

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, Liveonce said:

not disputing that. Just a very strange pivot for him. 

And . . . not disputing that! 😀

[Krt22]

I searched youtube for performance golf zone martin chuck, found nothing?

[Dinosaur]

Performance Golf Zone  (PGZ) was not created by Martin Chuck, but he is interviewed and featured in some of the videos.

[11bravoveteran]

I’m pretty sure when you sign up to buy a course, that website enters you into a 14 day trial subscription that auto renews..

[Krt22]

1 hour ago, 11bravoveteran said:

I’m pretty sure when you sign up to buy a course, that website enters you into a 14 day trial subscription that auto renews..

I am not sure why anyone would put their CC information into a website that looks like it was built by a kid in 2004

[Zitlow]

Did Sir Nick's golf swing thing fizzle out already? 

[me05501]

I posted a thread a couple years ago about what a deceptive model the Performance Golf Zone pitch turns out to be. I'd stay away. 

 

The most recent Martin Chuck video tease was just ripping off some of the more recent @MonteScheinblumideas. 

[Liveonce]

3 hours ago, me05501 said:

I posted a thread a couple years ago about what a deceptive model the Performance Golf Zone pitch turns out to be. I'd stay away. 

 

The most recent Martin Chuck video tease was just ripping off some of the more recent @MonteScheinblumideas. 

thats what I thought as well. I’m sure he is making a killing at $350 an hour plus training aids etc. Very odd move…definitely first time I’ve felt he comes off as a snake oil salesman

[HitSomeMissSome]

On 8/9/2022 at 12:51 PM, me05501 said:

I posted a thread a couple years ago about what a deceptive model the Performance Golf Zone pitch turns out to be. I'd stay away. 

 

The most recent Martin Chuck video tease was just ripping off some of the more recent @MonteScheinblumideas. 

 

Ripping off Monte? Please.... Monte is excellent, but he didn't this stuff. May the best conveyors of information rise above. Monte is certainly one of them. 

[Admhowarth]

Probably because it took him an hour to read the script / film and then gets a long term payment from the recurring sales. 

He is maxing his earnings potential. That's all. 

[me05501]

13 hours ago, HitSomeMissSome said:

 

Ripping off Monte? Please.... Monte is excellent, but he didn't this stuff. May the best conveyors of information rise above. Monte is certainly one of them. 

 

There's nothing new under the sun, that's for sure, but Monte started talking about the "first cast" at least a year ago. The last Martin Chuck teaser video was teasing the same move with the same name. Just seemed derivative to me. 

 

My real beef with the Performance Golf Zone is the bait and switch aspect. They will tease a video that is from their premium content level to entice you to buy their standard level of access. Only after you're behind the paywall do you realize that the teased content is on the next paid tier higher. Very sketch. 

 

They roped me in that way and I quickly took advantage of their refund policy (though not without some pushback from PGZ which I didn't appreciate). 

 

It's not on the up and up. 

[Zitlow]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:51 PM, me05501 said:

I posted a thread a couple years ago about what a deceptive model the Performance Golf Zone pitch turns out to be. I'd stay away. 

 

The most recent Martin Chuck video tease was just ripping off some of the more recent @MonteScheinblumideas. 

 

You're right, "there's nothing new under the  sun". They all rip off each other. 

[CasualLie]

3 hours ago, me05501 said:

 

There's nothing new under the sun, that's for sure, but Monte started talking about the "first cast" at least a year ago. The last Martin Chuck teaser video was teasing the same move with the same name. Just seemed derivative to me. 

 

My real beef with the Performance Golf Zone is the bait and switch aspect. They will tease a video that is from their premium content level to entice you to buy their standard level of access. Only after you're behind the paywall do you realize that the teased content is on the next paid tier higher. Very sketch. 

 

They roped me in that way and I quickly took advantage of their refund policy (though not without some pushback from PGZ which I didn't appreciate). 

 

It's not on the up and up. 

 

Funny, I didn't see it that way at all.  Long time ago, bought some series, can't remember...it was short, cheap, like $20.  All it got me on the site was that specific content, one time cost, no monthly.  Sure, they try to upsell other content, but there was no obligation.  Now what it does have is a "scratch club" at $10/mo and to my knowledge it is the only place you will find a complete series of short game videos from James Sieckmann.  At $10, that's a bargain.  Watch, then cancel.

 

The website is fine, looks like a lot of other golf instructor websites.  The one thing that is inexcusable in this day/age is you cannot check on your profile what you subscribed to and how much you are paying; and you cannot cancel at push of a button.  That part is shady.

 

Marketing on the internet is not cheap.  So if nothing else, Martin is getting his name out more as PGZ is helping him achieve some scale.  A golf instructor has a finite set of skills and limited reach, so any passive income stream that they can make is smart business.  For some of you to call it snake oil, or ripoff, or some other ridiculous like he has enough money from training aids, is really ignorant.  If you don't like it, don't buy it. 

 

I do not know Martin, but I do know many instructors who respect him and if Martin is maximizing his income while following his passion; then good for him. 

[me05501]

1 hour ago, CasualLie said:

 

Funny, I didn't see it that way at all.  Long time ago, bought some series, can't remember...it was short, cheap, like $20.  All it got me on the site was that specific content, one time cost, no monthly.  Sure, they try to upsell other content, but there was no obligation.  Now what it does have is a "scratch club" at $10/mo and to my knowledge it is the only place you will find a complete series of short game videos from James Sieckmann.  At $10, that's a bargain.  Watch, then cancel.

 

The website is fine, looks like a lot of other golf instructor websites.  The one thing that is inexcusable in this day/age is you cannot check on your profile what you subscribed to and how much you are paying; and you cannot cancel at push of a button.  That part is shady.

 

Marketing on the internet is not cheap.  So if nothing else, Martin is getting his name out more as PGZ is helping him achieve some scale.  A golf instructor has a finite set of skills and limited reach, so any passive income stream that they can make is smart business.  For some of you to call it snake oil, or ripoff, or some other ridiculous like he has enough money from training aids, is really ignorant.  If you don't like it, don't buy it. 

 

I do not know Martin, but I do know many instructors who respect him and if Martin is maximizing his income while following his passion; then good for him. 

 

That's fine. My personal experience was different. 

 

When I jumped on they were using a different video to promote the membership. I joined, and when I went to access that content, they were like "Oh, is THAT what you wanted? Sorry, that costs an extra $69" or whatever. 

To me, if you use specific content to sell a specific service, and that specific content IS NOT included in that specific service, you're pulling a bait and switch. 

[CasualLie]

40 minutes ago, me05501 said:

 

That's fine. My personal experience was different. 

 

When I jumped on they were using a different video to promote the membership. I joined, and when I went to access that content, they were like "Oh, is THAT what you wanted? Sorry, that costs an extra $69" or whatever. 

To me, if you use specific content to sell a specific service, and that specific content IS NOT included in that specific service, you're pulling a bait and switch. 

 

They definitely are not making it as easy as it could be.  And I can see how they make so many offers at once, it is ripe for a bait/switch.

[Dinosaur]

On 8/5/2022 at 7:44 PM, Liveonce said:

I like Martins content, but wow— a 30 minute ad pitch for this new “technique”. Sheesh….

Just out of curiosity, what happened to the video? I only glanced at it before, but now cannot find it. 

[me05501]

2 hours ago, Dinosaur said:

Just out of curiosity, what happened to the video? I only glanced at it before, but now cannot find it. 

 

NOW YOU MUST PAY (for the content)

[Dinosaur]

4 minutes ago, me05501 said:

 

NOW YOU MUST PAY (for the content)

your talking about the one Martin Chuck is in and the link was in a prior post? I thought maybe it was deleted by a moderator or OP. Oh well, not important.

[mantan]

I'm glad I found this thread. I got a link to this in my email and started watching it..but wanted to see some real world experiences.

 

Performance Golf loves the infomercial. The video doesn't have a time indicator on it, so you don't realize until a couple of minutes in that it's going to be LONG informercial.

 

I'd bought one reasonably priced item off Performance Golf from an instructor I like. The content was worth the cost. But the PG model is overbearing. They sign you up for their 'Scratch Club' at a recurring fee and spam you with other content.  I got out of Scratch Club immediately and am playing whack a mole with their other email content.

 

The 'club over the head' emails of 'quick fix aids' and programs cheapens the value of having some really good instructors with good content.