921 HMP vs 923 HMP. Hit them both today.

[JermWRX]

Bought the 921 HMP in February. Love them. Project X LZ 6.0. Well of course I needed to test the 923 HMP even though I definitely don’t need new irons. Big mistake. They’re awesome. I said I’d sleep on it, but I don’t know who I was trying to fool. My pro shop said the same thing, since they know me all to well. So I’ll be placing an order first thing in the morning. I tested them with Project X IO 6.0. They’re 110 grams instead of 120, but they felt so smooth. The only thing I didn’t like about them is the white paint fill. I’d rather it was black. Maybe I can find someone to change that in the off-season. Someday maybe I’ll learn to avoid the pro shop🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[dlow206]

Details on what was more awesome?

[JermWRX]

On 9/22/2022 at 6:11 PM, dlow206 said:

Details on what was more awesome?

The dispersion was fantastic. Of course that could be shaft related. Poor contact wasn’t disastrous. Hit a few very low on the face and wasn’t punished nearly as much as I expected. Pulls stayed left but didn’t wanna hook. Same with pushes. It just wanted to go straight. Looks are very similar. Except for the paint fill, like I mentioned. Not crazy about that. Head shape and size is identical, at least to my eye. I doubt most people will see any major performance differences between the two, but I like to get new stuff. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by JermWRX

[SwingBlues]

Sounds more like the shaft than the head.

 

I really like my JPX 921 HMPs so mine are staying but I'll wait for the askgolfnut YouTube review to see how the ball behaves on parts of the iron face. Jason does a great job, even liked it so much, I used his review to weigh heavily in consideration before getting my JPX921 HMPs.

 

I think it will be interesting

[dlow206]

Im going to be moving from 921 hm to 923 hmp and one flex softer in steelfibers. Im excited

[black bnr32]

Can you see the sole from address on the long irons?

[JermWRX]

2 minutes ago, black bnr32 said:

Can you see the sole from address on the long irons?

I only hit the 7 today. The longest iron I carry is a 6, and it’s not visible in my current set. I’m not sure about the 4 or 5, though.

[benz5521]

That’s exactly how I ordered my 923 HMPs. Project X IOs 6.0. I normally play a heavy shaft but that’s what the Mizuno computer recommended so I’ll try them. 

[Landy]

Wonder how much softer the 923 HMP are vs the 921's.

I always felt the 921 HMPs as harsh...

[JermWRX]

1 minute ago, Landy said:

Wonder how much softer the 923 HMP are vs the 921's.

I always felt the 921 HMPs as harsh...

I didn’t find the 921 harsh, but I’ve always played cast clubs so I’m used to that “clicky” kind of impact. They were certainly softer than Ping G, Sim, Rogue, etc. I’ve owned all of those irons in the past and thought the HMP felt significantly better. That being said, the 923 felt even better. Low strikes had no vibration at all. Hit a few lower heely shots, and still got great results and the feel was nice. Flushed shots felt awesome. I went back today for a full fitting and ended up getting them with DG 120 S300. I can’t wait until they arrive.

[JermWRX]

17 hours ago, benz5521 said:

That’s exactly how I ordered my 923 HMPs. Project X IOs 6.0. I normally play a heavy shaft but that’s what the Mizuno computer recommended so I’ll try them. 

I went back today for the full fitting and ended up going with DG 120 S300. I did love the IO, but the numbers were consistently quite a bit different. I spun the IO a little too much. Got optimal spin, launch and peak height with the DG, so I went with them.

[JermWRX]

19 hours ago, black bnr32 said:

Can you see the sole from address on the long irons?

Went for a full fitting today, and remembered your question. You actually can see just a little of the sole on the 923 7 iron.

[Landy]

3 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

I didn’t find the 921 harsh, but I’ve always played cast clubs so I’m used to that “clicky” kind of impact. They were certainly softer than Ping G, Sim, Rogue, etc. I’ve owned all of those irons in the past and thought the HMP felt significantly better. That being said, the 923 felt even better. Low strikes had no vibration at all. Hit a few lower heely shots, and still got great results and the feel was nice. Flushed shots felt awesome. I went back today for a full fitting and ended up getting them with DG 120 S300. I can’t wait until they arrive.

Thank you for your feedback @JermWRX I am playing the ZX5s and played the full 5 series prior.  Looking for more forgiveness as I'm playing less but still enjoy a soft feeling iron and dont like that harsh cast feel.  But I will demo and see what happens...

[black bnr32]

42 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

Went for a full fitting today, and remembered your question. You actually can see just a little of the sole on the 923 7 iron.

Thanks.  Not gonna sugar coat it, that kinda sucks.

[JermWRX]

12 minutes ago, black bnr32 said:

Thanks.  Not gonna sugar coat it, that kinda sucks.

 No problem. I know that’s a major issue for lots of folks. For me coming from Ping G irons with huge soles, I don’t even notice. The head looks so much smaller than what I’ve generally played my whole life. 

[nilopol]

I'm excited to see comparisons as well, but I'm just starting to get in the groove with my 921 HMP with SF i110cw, so I don't see the benefit at this time.  But this is golfers...haha.   Also can't wait to see the new S wedges! 

[teedub21]

May have to get fit for these. 
 

First time HMP’s are being offered for us lefties. 

[JermWRX]

On 9/22/2022 at 7:20 PM, SwingBlues said:

Sounds more like the shaft than the head.

 

I really like my JPX 921 HMPs so mine are staying but I'll wait for the askgolfnut YouTube review to see how the ball behaves on parts of the iron face. Jason does a great job, even liked it so much, I used his review to weigh heavily in consideration before getting my JPX921 HMPs.

 

I think it will be interesting

I agree. He’s excellent at what he does. I just finished watching his full review of the 923 line. 

[Pars or Doubles]

Mizuno pretty much lost me at 42.5* pitching wedge.  Glad I ordered the HMP 921's before they stopped producing them.  Those are some absurdly strong lofts on the new HMP's.

[JermWRX]

1 hour ago, Pars or Doubles said:

Mizuno pretty much lost me at 42.5* pitching wedge.  Glad I ordered the HMP 921's before they stopped producing them.  Those are some absurdly strong lofts on the new HMP's.

I get that. Seems to bug lots of people. I’ve never had an issue with strong lofts. As long as my gaps work and the ball stops on the green, it doesn’t matter to me what the loft is.

[Arlin964]

Yeah, 42.5 is pretty strong especially if you don’t offer a set gap wedge. That’s probably the biggest gripe I would have if the 923 HMP were on my radar. 

[teedub21]

42.5 PW is an issue for me on the HMP’s since no gap wedge is offered. Currently using Cleveland CBX Zipcore wedges and they don’t make anything lower lofted than a 50 in left hand. So I’d have a forgiving set of irons, a less forgiving gap wedge then more forgiving wedges. 

[eric61]

Looks like they can be bent up to 2 degrees weak. Anybody go that route with HMPs in the past? I’d love to see a picture that shows how bending them weak affects offset, etc.

 

Going 2 degrees weak on the short end seems to allow some space for better long end gaps, too. Somebody could go something like: 

 

4 — 19 (standard) 

5 — 22 (standard)

6 — 26 (1 weak)

7 — 30.5 (2 weak)
8 — 35 (2 weak)

9 — 39.5 (2 weak)

PW — 44.5 (2 weak)

 

… and then on to a 48 or 50 degree gap wedge.

[JermWRX]

8 hours ago, Arlin964 said:

Yeah, 42.5 is pretty strong especially if you don’t offer a set gap wedge. That’s probably the biggest gripe I would have if the 923 HMP were on my radar. 

I just ordered the HM GW. That’s what I used with my 921 HMP. I never had any gapping issues

[JermWRX]

8 hours ago, teedub21 said:

42.5 PW is an issue for me on the HMP’s since no gap wedge is offered. Currently using Cleveland CBX Zipcore wedges and they don’t make anything lower lofted than a 50 in left hand. So I’d have a forgiving set of irons, a less forgiving gap wedge then more forgiving wedges. 

The 923 HM GW is 48 degrees. I ordered that as the GW. That’s what I did with 921 also. Then I get to Zipcore 52 & 56. MG3 60. I never had any issues with the 921 gapping, so I’m not expecting any with the 923. The difference between 921 PW to GW was 5 degrees (44-49). Now it’s 5.5 degrees (42.5-48). I don’t see that being a problem for me.

[JermWRX]

6 hours ago, eric61 said:

Looks like they can be bent up to 2 degrees weak. Anybody go that route with HMPs in the past? I’d love to see a picture that shows how bending them weak affects offset, etc.

 

Going 2 degrees weak on the short end seems to allow some space for better long end gaps, too. Somebody could go something like: 

 

4 — 19 (standard) 

5 — 22 (standard)

6 — 26 (1 weak)

7 — 30.5 (2 weak)
8 — 35 (2 weak)

9 — 39.5 (2 weak)

PW — 44.5 (2 weak)

 

… and then on to a 48 or 50 degree gap wedge.

For me personally, I don’t think I’d like the change in the bounce.

[JermWRX]

Just to touch on the GW comments:

 

There was an issue I had with the 921 HM GW. The offset was the same as the HMP 6 iron. I hated that. Took some getting used to, but the gapping was fine. 
 

The offset in the 923 GW is more in line with what it’s supposed to be. The 923 HM GW offset is less than the HMP PW. Maybe they heard enough complaints about it, and designed set wedges that actually flow with both HM and HMP.

[dlow206]

17 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

Just to touch on the GW comments:

 

There was an issue I had with the 921 HM GW. The offset was the same as the HMP 6 iron. I hated that. Took some getting used to, but the gapping was fine. 
 

The offset in the 923 GW is more in line with what it’s supposed to be. The 923 HM GW offset is less than the HMP PW. Maybe they heard enough complaints about it, and designed set wedges that actually flow with both HM and HMP.

i thought the offset was going to be like the 921 in the gw, so i ordered a ping glide wedge but i should have waited to see the specs. So i now ordered a 923 hm gw as well

[Arlin964]

1 hour ago, JermWRX said:

Just to touch on the GW comments:

 

There was an issue I had with the 921 HM GW. The offset was the same as the HMP 6 iron. I hated that. Took some getting used to, but the gapping was fine. 
 

The offset in the 923 GW is more in line with what it’s supposed to be. The 923 HM GW offset is less than the HMP PW. Maybe they heard enough complaints about it, and designed set wedges that actually flow with both HM and HMP.

Good clarification.  Someone in the pre-release forum on the JPX 923 thread said to check out the AskGolfNut youtube channel on these irons, and one thing he said piqued my interest.  His assessment of the JPX line being really friendly to those of us who miss out on the toe of irons has me thinking about a possibility of trying them.  I've been on an iron search for what feels like two years, but it's only been one.  I've gone from Apex 21 to ZX7 to T200/T100s combo set to trying ZX5 in the 5 & 6 with the rest ZX7.  I'm not in love with any of those yet, but I feel a full set in ZX5 might be the leading candidate.  I can get pretty steep, so the srixon V-sole works better for me than the T200/T100s combo set soles.  ZX7 is just a wee scoshe too thin in the short irons, which is why I'm leaning toward all ZX5.  Apex 21 had a bit too much offset for my comfort and overall just didn't work great.  Maybe it's a shaft issue too.

 

HMP would probably be my best fit, but offset looks to be relatively similar to Apex 21.  Maybe they would hide it better though.

 

Sorry for the threadjack.  Where's the Club Ho's Anonymous thread?

[SwingBlues]

Thanks for the heads up on Jason's 923 reviews. Last I saw was his new LM Studio and his update on his other projects. IMO, Jason is one of the best detailed reviewers out there, I wish he had more following and hits, he deserves it... anyway...

 

While this is the 923 Hot Metal (not Pro) review, the toe "miss hits" continue to impress

 

I love my JPX 921 HMP specifically because of my toe hits so it looks like the 923 WILL continue this... or so it seems till Jason releases his assessment on the 923 HMP.

 

 

 

He has a benchmark of 173 carry with the 921 HMP 7 iron on the toe, be interesting to see what the 923 HMP will be like in comparison...

 

 

 

Great to see Mizzy continue to AMAZE with the 923 line 👍

Edited September 25, 2022 by SwingBlues