Tour Jon Rahm - WITB - 2023 The Players

[GolfWRX_Spotted]

[bcflyguy1]

Different hosel setting on the driver; interesting.

[cav5]

all the wedges say "10"

[third-times-a-charm]

35 minutes ago, cav5 said:

all the wedges say "10"

They are C grinds like the Jaws Forged. Its a custom or tour issue only batch of wedges for Rahm since he didnt like the way the new Jaws Raw line looked - but he loved the slightly older limited Jaws Forged line. Callaway made these instead.

Edited March 7, 2023 by third-times-a-charm

[TheMoneyShot]

Those 3/5 metals are sweet!!!

[alecfeltman]

too bad he went to ASU or id root for him more.

 

beardown. 

[JourneyToBreak80]

18 hours ago, bcflyguy1 said:

Different hosel setting on the driver; interesting.

That is set higher than I would have guessed. Wonder if it because of how he likes it to sit at address, or because of taking dynamic loft off. 

[MakersMarsh3]

How long has he played DI in 3W??

Wasn’t it only in 5w for a long time

Used to be the green

[rebfan73]

16 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

They are C grinds like the Jaws Forged. Its a custom or tour issue only batch of wedges for Rahm since he didnt like the way the new Jaws Raw line looked - but he loved the slightly older limited Jaws Forged line. Callaway made these instead.

NOBODY likes the way Jaws Raw look.......YUCK!

[bcflyguy1]

24 minutes ago, MakersMarsh3 said:

How long has he played DI in 3W??

Wasn’t it only in 5w for a long time

Used to be the green

Switched a week or two ago. 

If his driver continues to run hot and cold, wouldn't shock me if a shaft change is coming at that spot too. His results have been incredible considering he's still not 100% comfortable with configurations at the top end of the bag.

[third-times-a-charm]

6 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

Switched a week or two ago. 

If his driver continues to run hot and cold, wouldn't shock me if a shaft change is coming at that spot too. His results have been incredible considering he's still not 100% comfortable with configurations at the top end of the bag.

Also unless his tour issue head is loft spec'd in the high 9's which I assume it is - he's almost at 11* loft with this setup. People keep saying the paradym model is not very low spin or launch but this is just more proof it is.

[bcflyguy1]

1 hour ago, JourneyToBreak80 said:

That is set higher than I would have guessed. Wonder if it because of how he likes it to sit at address, or because of taking dynamic loft off. 

Seeing lots more hosel settings adding loft this year. Chris Kirk also has his set up that way. My hunch is that PTD tending to sit more open at address than Rogue ST TD did is the root cause. Taking the PTD up in loft is likely giving the address presentation that players got comfortable with in their Rogue ST set-ups.

My hunch is that seeing a more open face was causing Rahm to feel like he had to do something different to keep PTD from missing right...which was causing the shrieking pull miss that popped up even on his way to wins. Will be interesting to see if this adjustment frees him up to let rip and hit his lines.

[bcflyguy1]

13 minutes ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Also unless his tour issue head is loft spec'd in the high 9's which I assume it is - he's almost at 11* loft with this setup. People keep saying the paradym model is not very low spin or launch but this is just more proof it is.

What I'm seeing in testing and fittings is that the min and max spin numbers a given player generates are closer together (ie smaller standard deviations). That window isn't necessarily low, but the spin spikes aren't nearly as high  and therefore don't have to be guarded against as much with lower loft.

My hunch is that Rahm's adjustment has more to do with a subtle start line and shape adjustment than it does with launch and spin conditions. For me, the difference in how PTD sits at address compared to Rogue ST TD was REALLY stark the first time I saw it. My suspicion is that this tendency for PTD to sit more open is driving  more hosel settings that add loft and get the face pointed further left to get start lines and shapes where players expect them to be. As always, I could be wrong about that.

I suspect we'll hear from Wunder about it on his blog at some point this week. I send him a DM on IG asking about it, but haven't heard back yet.

Edited March 8, 2023 by bcflyguy1

[B_of_H]

a lot of info out there on this.  (fully equipped pod, callaway video on Rahm testing paradym)

 

Rahm has the driver at 11.3* because it gives him 12/2400-2500 which he feels is ideal.  He likes to be able to draw it when needed but doesn't want higher launch/ lower spin than the above numbers on his stock fade.  (for control)

 

He switched to the DI in his 3 wood because he wanted more spin.  this shaft gave him 500rpm more than the 85g tour green previously.  

 

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by B_of_H

[TLUBulldogGolf]

What's that super wide soled club, looks to have an 8 on it?

[ac6]

3 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

What's that super wide soled club, looks to have an 8 on it?

 

Training club, DST Compressor

[B_of_H]

6 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

What's that super wide soled club, looks to have an 8 on it?

 

apparently he warms up with it prior to every round.  Most people (judging by internet reviews and a thread on here) seem to 'destroy their swing' when they use it.  haha.  

[coloradogolf72]

7 hours ago, JourneyToBreak80 said:

That is set higher than I would have guessed. Wonder if it because of how he likes it to sit at address, or because of taking dynamic loft off. 

 

I'd imagine he didn't have to sacrifice on either of those preferences.

[Deebers86]

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

all the wedges say "10"

It’s is favourite number because he says all the best soccer players wear the number 10

[Ben Berube]

6 hours ago, bcflyguy1 said:

What I'm seeing in testing and fittings is that the min and max spin numbers a given player generates are closer together (ie smaller standard deviations). That window isn't necessarily low, but the spin spikes aren't nearly as high  and therefore don't have to be guarded against as much with lower loft.

My hunch is that Rahm's adjustment has more to do with a subtle start line and shape adjustment than it does with launch and spin conditions. For me, the difference in how PTD sits at address compared to Rogue ST TD was REALLY stark the first time I saw it. My suspicion is that this tendency for PTD to sit more open is driving  more hosel settings that add loft and get the face pointed further left to get start lines and shapes where players expect them to be. As always, I could be wrong about that.

I suspect we'll hear from Wunder about it on his blog at some point this week. I send him a DM on IG asking about it, but haven't heard back yet.

amazing thoughts and details.  Really awesome all you are talking about.  

 

But doesn't adding loft close the face?  Or maybe that is what you are trying to say.  

 

Either way keep it coming, please.  🙂

[bcflyguy1]

6 hours ago, Ben Berube said:

But doesn't adding loft close the face?  Or maybe that is what you are trying to say.  

 

Either way keep it coming, please.  🙂

Yes, that’s what I’m trying to say and I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive. However, I did a fit this afternoon with a player that was consistent with my theory about what’s happening with Rahm and his setup.

 

There are some players that are very sensitive to how a club looks and subconsciously fight what they think a club might do for them. Fit a decent higher single digit player this afternoon who fights a gnarly hook miss, and we were seeing said miss in the fitting. First I slid the weight in the Paradym to full fade. The hook didn’t care. I opened the face by taking a degree of loft away; the hook got worse because the player got face a bit more shut to path. I swap in the PTD head in same loft; hook gets more pronounced. I lower the loft to open the face; now we’re hitting diving shrimps. Then it hits me, “he’s fighting what I’m trying to do without knowing it; give him the X head and see what happens.” First swing is a fitting stopping bomb. Second one, same. Third one, same. Now we’re both laughing and I’m cussing myself for being so slow to recognize what I was dealing with.

 

what does that have to do with Rahm? Perhaps lofting up will give him the address appearance and start line that will free him up from a more forced move that results in the straight pull miss that’s been popping up here and there.

 

that could, of course, all be completely wrong too. 

[Ben Berube]

16 hours ago, bcflyguy1 said:

Yes, that’s what I’m trying to say and I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive. However, I did a fit this afternoon with a player that was consistent with my theory about what’s happening with Rahm and his setup.

 

There are some players that are very sensitive to how a club looks and subconsciously fight what they think a club might do for them. Fit a decent higher single digit player this afternoon who fights a gnarly hook miss, and we were seeing said miss in the fitting. First I slid the weight in the Paradym to full fade. The hook didn’t care. I opened the face by taking a degree of loft away; the hook got worse because the player got face a bit more shut to path. I swap in the PTD head in same loft; hook gets more pronounced. I lower the loft to open the face; now we’re hitting diving shrimps. Then it hits me, “he’s fighting what I’m trying to do without knowing it; give him the X head and see what happens.” First swing is a fitting stopping bomb. Second one, same. Third one, same. Now we’re both laughing and I’m cussing myself for being so slow to recognize what I was dealing with.

 

what does that have to do with Rahm? Perhaps lofting up will give him the address appearance and start line that will free him up from a more forced move that results in the straight pull miss that’s been popping up here and there.

 

that could, of course, all be completely wrong too. 

Love that and know exactly what you mean.  I have a hook issue as well and if that face looks closed at all its heavy left.

I always try and play an open faced wood / driver and then I am good.

But since Rahmbo is a slicer he can have it looked closed and be all good!  

Love it, thank you!