New Rules in Effect and clarification of Rules *Update 5/16*

[Gxgolfer]

Only post count that matters is what is under the name. There are a few forums, BST/WITB/19th hole, that do not count toward the recognized total.

There obviously is not going to be a solution everyone likes and I am still opposed to this entire concept so do not expect me to take any criticsm of greed or profit motive litely. I am working with the community on equitable terms for those who find value in the site. People disagreeing on this policy can't even agree or offer alternatives that don't alienate others.

Anything implemented is going to affect someone. We have again offered so many choices and alternatives and have been willing to listen but yet get critized and accused of greed and alterior motives. . I will not put up with attacks on ownership's perceived greed or alterior motives on this one as I really don't need the grief or people who are questioning our ethics.

The entire setup and how the BST works today is from the community. It's largely managed by them so if there is any finger pointing, point at yourselves.

I will make the change that items must be golf related in some way.

[iamhuey]

i might be in the minority here but what does it matter if people are trying to help wrx'ers out by selling a cell phone, leather wallets or goods? if they have a post count, what does it hurt? if you dont want it, dont look at it. there may be others in the community looking for such items and trust the golfwrx community before ebay, no?

[OCHack]

I agree with keeping it to golf items...i once posted bindings but that was after noticing other non-golf items.

The reason why people posts non-golf items is that this is their favorite site and want to past the savings to other

[mikede b]

+1!

[Redbird]

[quote name='iamhuey' date='17 May 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1274126417' post='2447977']
i might be in the minority here but what does it matter if people are trying to help wrx'ers out by selling a cell phone, leather wallets or goods? if they have a post count, what does it hurt? if you dont want it, dont look at it. there may be others in the community looking for such items and trust the golfwrx community before ebay, no?
[/quote]


No ones trying to "Help" others WRX buy selling everything and the kitchen sink. They wanna dump their crap and not pay ebay to do it. I don't go on car boards and sell golf clubs. The point of ebay is to sell anything you want and sell it at your little hearts content, that's not the point of a golf forums BST.

[Nat]

I think it is silly. I've been a good member here for several years, but not a big poster. Never had a problem with a sale, tho.

[Gxgolfer]

[quote name='mikede b' date='17 May 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1274127251' post='2448021']
+1!
[/quote]

And notice your post count did not increase...

[oregongolf]

[quote name='Nat' date='17 May 2010 - 01:34 PM' timestamp='1274128492' post='2448099']
I think it is silly. I've been a good member here for several years, but not a big poster. Never had a problem with a sale, tho.
[/quote]
What exactly is silly?

Nobody is tying your hands. You can still pay to have your ad inserted or join ClubWRX. Hell, you can still buy, trade, and freely post WTB ads. I'd understand if the BST was locked down to everyone with less than 75 posts or who wasn't in ClubWRX, but that's not the case.

[djdogstar]

Unintended consequence - less traffic in BST will mean fewer items available, lower sales and lower selling prices.

I did a completely unscientific sample of one page in BST (page 3 as this was before the new rules) and over 50% of the items listed where from users with less than 75 posts. Anyone who views the BST forum regularly will have noticed that the number of new listings has decreased dramatically.

I doubt that the large number of users under the 75 post requirement will make the effort to get to the required level or pay the $5. This means that there will be a dramatic reduction in product available and views in the forum. This will have to have an affect on the sale price and time it takes to sell an item.

In my opinion one of the factors that makes the BST successful is the number of people that use/view the forum.

An argument can and will be made that quality is better than quantity. Yes it will be nice to feel more secure in the transaction, but I really like to have lots of items to choose from - to me that is what make America great. Personal responsibility and lots of choice.

[OCHack]

I just saw a post by someone less than 75 posts...are we enforcing the new rule?

[oregongolf]

[quote name='nongdam' date='17 May 2010 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1274129485' post='2448157']
I just saw a post by someone less than 75 posts...are we enforcing the new rule?
[/quote]
Was it a ClubWRX member? If not, maybe they paid the $5 insertion fee?

[Gxgolfer]

If you see it, they have paid the insertion fee. All posts are moderated, under 75, unless ClubWrx. It's part of the technical changes that take place on implementations such as this.

[OCHack]

Does the new rule exclude Clubwrx member? BTW, he is not a member.

[HeadonaStick]

Apparently some people are taking this very personally... I got harassed via PM this afternoon, including name calling, and then the bonehead deleted it so i couldn't reply. It is all in my email though...

[Gxgolfer]

Yes

ClubWRX members under 75 posts are allowed to place Ads. The current rules and regs are in this thread. There is no need to report members under 75 posts because you won't see them unless approved by mods or are ClubWrx members.

We looked at 30 day charts and I think this will effect approx 30% of the users. It's comical to suggest that this was done for any financial or greed reason as it actually has the reverse effect. We will see how it ultimately plays out.

[dub1308]

Thank you for that Clarification. if i remember correctly the ClubWRX is a good thing and only benefits us as members.

Also, it just took me a long time to read all the post and i will try to read the discussion on how the 75 post came to be as a rule but is there any chance on lowering it to 50? like i said i will try to read that post later but since i am thinking of it now i thought i would ask.

[Gxgolfer]

It initially was 100 and then lowered to 75. 50 was about the avg for posters during the last 30 days of those below 75.

[dub1308]

ok. thanks for the explanation.

[OCHack]

Glad to see that it is working...I dont' have 75 but now I have been looking at other forums and there are lot's of interesting information. Thanks

[JDCobra]

[quote name='djdogstar' date='17 May 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1274129064' post='2448128']
Unintended consequence - less traffic in BST will mean fewer items available, lower sales and lower selling prices.

I did a completely unscientific sample of one page in BST (page 3 as this was before the new rules) and over 50% of the items listed where from users with less than 75 posts. Anyone who views the BST forum regularly will have noticed that the number of new listings has decreased dramatically.

I doubt that the large number of users under the 75 post requirement will make the effort to get to the required level or pay the $5. This means that there will be a dramatic reduction in product available and views in the forum. This will have to have an affect on the sale price and time it takes to sell an item.

In my opinion one of the factors that makes the BST successful is the number of people that use/view the forum.

An argument can and will be made that quality is better than quantity. Yes it will be nice to feel more secure in the transaction, but I really like to have lots of items to choose from - to me that is what make America great. Personal responsibility and lots of choice.
[/quote]

could'nt have been said any better! hope they read this and open their eyes!

[Gxgolfer]

That is the most likely scenario and one reason why I was opposed to it. That is why any blames on ownership on this is misguided. This will more than likely negatively impact traffic but this is what the membership is driving in terms of rules. It effects about 30% of last months BST Sellers.

[LBattaglia93]

Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this and I don't feel like reading thru the 6 pages of posts, but can we still VIEW BST ads if we don't have the 75 post count minimum? Recently I have tried to access some For Sale ads and I've been getting numerous errors and some saying that I don't have permission to view this topic.

[JDCobra]

[quote name='Gxgolfer' date='17 May 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1274136006' post='2448435']
That is the most likely scenario and one reason why I was opposed to it. That is why any blames on ownership on this is misguided. This will more than likely negatively impact traffic but this is what the membership is driving in terms of rules. It effects about 30% of last months BST Sellers.
[/quote]


Hopefully more members like yourself will realize this and revoke this counterproductive rule

[quote name='blade_man' date='16 May 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1274054326' post='2445910']
[quote name='JDCobra' date='15 May 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1273981113' post='2444277']
i guess you're only running up your post count if you disagree with a rule. If you're in agreement keep posting

well said brother! but you're right they don't care!

when i do i'll let you know, and i'll make sure there is a 200 post rule. just so it protects everyone
[/quote]


You sir are just ignorant, this in the short term will hurt "them" more than anyone else, if all you are trying to do is sell then go to ebay, you can pay the pp fees, listing fees and final value fees. WRX has NO fees whatsoever, NONE! I can sell here cheaper than the bay and come out the same or better, now if you get mad at me because I said you are ignorant you don't know what that means either. Oh, it is wouldn't not would'nt. Just and FYI
[/quote]

another arrogant elitist!

[Gxgolfer]

[quote name='LBattaglia93' date='17 May 2010 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1274137748' post='2448499']
Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this and I don't feel like reading thru the 6 pages of posts, but can we still VIEW BST ads if we don't have the 75 post count minimum? Recently I have tried to access some For Sale ads and I've been getting numerous errors and some saying that I don't have permission to view this topic.
[/quote]

Please start another topic with specifics as viewing bst ads should not be effected.

[Gxgolfer]

[quote name='JDCobra' date='17 May 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1274138623' post='2448530']
[quote name='Gxgolfer' date='17 May 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1274136006' post='2448435']
That is the most likely scenario and one reason why I was opposed to it. That is why any blames on ownership on this is misguided. This will more than likely negatively impact traffic but this is what the membership is driving in terms of rules. It effects about 30% of last months BST Sellers.
[/quote]


Hopefully more members like yourself will realize this and revoke this counterproductive rule

[quote name='blade_man' date='16 May 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1274054326' post='2445910']
[quote name='JDCobra' date='15 May 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1273981113' post='2444277']
i guess you're only running up your post count if you disagree with a rule. If you're in agreement keep posting

well said brother! but you're right they don't care!

when i do i'll let you know, and i'll make sure there is a 200 post rule. just so it protects everyone
[/quote]



You sir are just ignorant, this in the short term will hurt "them" more than anyone else, if all you are trying to do is sell then go to ebay, you can pay the pp fees, listing fees and final value fees. WRX has NO fees whatsoever, NONE! I can sell here cheaper than the bay and come out the same or better, now if you get mad at me because I said you are ignorant you don't know what that means either. Oh, it is wouldn't not would'nt. Just and FYI
[/quote]

another arrogant elitist!
[/quote]

Having multiple accounts from one ip address and attacking members warrants a 30 day suspension of posting privs.

[HeadonaStick]

[quote name='JDCobra' date='17 May 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1274138623' post='2448530']
[quote name='Gxgolfer' date='17 May 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1274136006' post='2448435']
That is the most likely scenario and one reason why I was opposed to it. That is why any blames on ownership on this is misguided. This will more than likely negatively impact traffic but this is what the membership is driving in terms of rules. It effects about 30% of last months BST Sellers.
[/quote]


Hopefully more members like yourself will realize this and revoke this counterproductive rule

[quote name='blade_man' date='16 May 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1274054326' post='2445910']
[quote name='JDCobra' date='15 May 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1273981113' post='2444277']
i guess you're only running up your post count if you disagree with a rule. If you're in agreement keep posting

well said brother! but you're right they don't care!

when i do i'll let you know, and i'll make sure there is a 200 post rule. just so it protects everyone
[/quote]


You sir are just ignorant, this in the short term will hurt "them" more than anyone else, if all you are trying to do is sell then go to ebay, you can pay the pp fees, listing fees and final value fees. WRX has NO fees whatsoever, NONE! I can sell here cheaper than the bay and come out the same or better, now if you get mad at me because I said you are ignorant you don't know what that means either. Oh, it is wouldn't not would'nt. Just and FYI
[/quote]

another arrogant elitist!
[/quote]

Perhaps you'd like to stop the name calling now. I didn't appreciate in your PMs this afternoon and I'm sure other members don't like it in the public forum. If you have a point make it and respect those who disagree with you.

[Augster]

75 posts is a lot. I need to sell an FT-9. I guess I'll make some posts.

WRX BST is the best on the internet. Bar none. If you put out a low enough price, that item is selling in minutes. MINUTES! Same price on FGI might take you WEEKS to sell after countless bumps.

The BST here at WRX is definitely going to be much more boring and will probably lower site traffic if that is a concern to the mods. I used to have to check BST 6 or 7 times a day to see if anything good was for sale. Since this has gone into effect, I'm down to checking once, maybe twice.

I doubt I'm alone on this.

As said above, if you don't like the add for off-topic items, don't click on the add for off-topic items. Why the entire, elitist "golf-items only"? Some of us do have other hobbies outside of golf, yet there are still only 24 hours in a day.

Lastly, I don't really see the "no-gifting" ban as anything but rediculous. Why does WRX care whether Paypal sucks out their annoying, inflated fees or not? Is Paypal paying WRX?

There is ZERO buyer protection on Paypal when you buy ANYTHING outside of ebay. Gifted or not. Though, you could "gift" for an item, through Paypal using your credit card. At least you'd have your credit card company protection in that case.

Gifted or not, if you are going to get scammed on BST, Paypal is not going to help you out in the least.

Time to make some posts as I have an FT-9 I need to sell. Pronto.

[MarekR]

[quote name='LBattaglia93' date='17 May 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1274137748' post='2448499']
Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this and I don't feel like reading thru the 6 pages of posts, but can we still VIEW BST ads if we don't have the 75 post count minimum? Recently I have tried to access some For Sale ads and I've been getting numerous errors and some saying that I don't have permission to view this topic.
[/quote]


Please copy and paste or PM me the error message exactly as it displays on the page next time as well as the url in the address bar.

[danbailey24]

in my opinion, people who "just visit to sell" DO provide a service to the site and the members. Some of us (me included) mostly visit to buy or trade for different equipment. In my opinion, I appreciate people who "only have stuff to sell", because they often offer me a better deal on equipment than I can get at a retail store.

While they don't participate in discussions, they do still provide something that many of us deem meaningful.

[danbailey24]

could there be a "bug" in the new restrictions? I only ask because I qualify under the new "75" post rule, but still am unable to post a new BST topic. Is there another requirement that I am unaware of? I do not visit often, so there's a good chance that I may have missed something else.

thank you for your help.

Dan