G25 Iron Review (Low Handicapper)

[jons1]

You know how there's always threads were people say they wish they made a game improvement club that looked better... like slimmer lines, smaller toe to heel, less offset, muted color to make it look smaller, etc?

TADA... the G25.

It's SUPER forgiving, and way easier on the eyes than most game improvement clubs. They hit the ball a tad high for the better players that generate some speed, but I still think anyone can bag them.

[kjmac_13]

Great read. Took me several hours over two days to get through it all. I echo the comments of those that love their G25's.

Had the i10's from 2008 through April of 2013. A dark period for me. Played a lot of golf with them, and the scores kept getting worse. Was happy to break 100, whereas before I regularly shot in the 80's. Decided to get fit for some new clubs at Massengale Golf, in Spring, TX, at the nFlight facility there. Fitted for the G25's, same lie and length as i10's, with different shafts. Look out! Golf is fun again. Have shot several 81's, my low score, and could have been lower with better putting and a few less errant tee shots OB. Nothing else has changed in my game. No lessons and still same ugly swing. Have played several courses for the first time with these clubs, and still breaking 90 not knowing the courses.

I'm back to being competitive in my money games with my buddies. I look forward to going to the course, and wondering if this is the day i break 80, instead of hoping to break 90.

[Cwing]

I will be headed into season two with mine and I am not looking to change.

[Gbyeball]

[quote name='kjmac_13' timestamp='1391905546' post='8625953']
Great read. Took me several hours over two days to get through it all. I echo the comments of those that love their G25's.

Had the i10's from 2008 through April of 2013. A dark period for me. Played a lot of golf with them, and the scores kept getting worse. Was happy to break 100, whereas before I regularly shot in the 80's. Decided to get fit for some new clubs at Massengale Golf, in Spring, TX, at the nFlight facility there. Fitted for the G25's, same lie and length as i10's, with different shafts. Look out! Golf is fun again. Have shot several 81's, my low score, and could have been lower with better putting and a few less errant tee shots OB. Nothing else has changed in my game. No lessons and still same ugly swing. Have played several courses for the first time with these clubs, and still breaking 90 not knowing the courses.

I'm back to being competitive in my money games with my buddies. I look forward to going to the course, and wondering if this is the day i break 80, instead of hoping to break 90.
[/quote]

Great to hear you are enjoying the game again, that's what it really is all about. People that say equipment does not make a difference must have have perfect swings. The guy who started this thread is a +4 hcp and has tried qualifing for the US Open so Imam guessing his swing is OK!!!

One question for you. How is it you joined here like 6 years ago and this is only your 2nd post. You just get out of jail or something ( probably put my foot in my mouth, won't be the first time)

[gallas2]

[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391998073' post='8633235']
[quote name='kjmac_13' timestamp='1391905546' post='8625953']
Great read. Took me several hours over two days to get through it all. I echo the comments of those that love their G25's.

Had the i10's from 2008 through April of 2013. A dark period for me. Played a lot of golf with them, and the scores kept getting worse. Was happy to break 100, whereas before I regularly shot in the 80's. Decided to get fit for some new clubs at Massengale Golf, in Spring, TX, at the nFlight facility there. Fitted for the G25's, same lie and length as i10's, with different shafts. Look out! Golf is fun again. Have shot several 81's, my low score, and could have been lower with better putting and a few less errant tee shots OB. Nothing else has changed in my game. No lessons and still same ugly swing. Have played several courses for the first time with these clubs, and still breaking 90 not knowing the courses.

I'm back to being competitive in my money games with my buddies. I look forward to going to the course, and wondering if this is the day i break 80, instead of hoping to break 90.
[/quote]

Great to hear you are enjoying the game again, that's what it really is all about. People that say equipment does not make a difference must have have perfect swings. The guy who started this thread is a +4 hcp and has tried qualifing for the US Open so Imam guessing his swing is OK!!!

One question for you. How is it you joined here like 6 years ago and this is only your 2nd post. You just get out of jail or something ( probably put my foot in my mouth, won't be the first time)
[/quote]

Who cares about 2 posts in six years .......he kept the i10's for 5 years! I kept those for 5 rounds. Cmon man...

[Donno]

[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391899433' post='8625437']
Donno

I could not agree more with you regarding switching clubs because of bad swing days. More club hoing is done because of this than for any other reason. Guys that say they do NOT change clubs looking for the holy grail are just fooling themselves. I have played that Ping Rapture driver for three full seasons. It works so well I am afraid to regrip it. Sure I have hit some terrible shots with it, we are amatures and that will happen with anything
[/quote]

Glad you agree...some sanity. I'm not out to tell people what to play, or if one club is better than the other...kinda like pre-arranged marriages. However, club performance is nearly 100% a result of the swing. I focus my postings on realistic ideas as try to cut through the BS for those who hit upon this website for ideas or information about equipment. G25's are good clubs, but give me a break on them being magical.

I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs if they can't compress the ball on impact. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're designed to hit with compressive force. Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.

[Lobber]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391899433' post='8625437']
Donno

I could not agree more with you regarding switching clubs because of bad swing days. More club hoing is done because of this than for any other reason. Guys that say they do NOT change clubs looking for the holy grail are just fooling themselves. I have played that Ping Rapture driver for three full seasons. It works so well I am afraid to regrip it. Sure I have hit some terrible shots with it, we are amatures and that will happen with anything
[/quote]

Glad you agree...some sanity. I'm not out to tell people what to play, or if one club is better than the other...kinda like pre-arranged marriages. However, club performance is nearly 100% a result of the swing. I focus my postings on realistic ideas as try to cut through the BS for those who hit upon this website for ideas or information about equipment. G25's are good clubs, but give me a break on them being magical.

I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs if they can't compress the ball on impact. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're designed to hit with compressive force. Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]


Could not agree more. I am spending more time on short game and that has helped me drop my scores. I have always been a good driver of the ball but struggled with short game and irons. Short game much better now but am going to give myself a break and game Ping G25 at some point. First however will be lessons.

[snakesnot]

I have a set of G25's that I'm thinking of selling. They are graphite shafts (stiff) and green dot, standard length. I have used them less than 10 rounds. I think I like my G20's better. I don't know how I would sell them on here. I would take around 650.00 with free shipping. 3 through PW.

[kjmac_13]

[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391998073' post='8633235']
[quote name='kjmac_13' timestamp='1391905546' post='8625953']
Great read. Took me several hours over two days to get through it all. I echo the comments of those that love their G25's.

Had the i10's from 2008 through April of 2013. A dark period for me. Played a lot of golf with them, and the scores kept getting worse. Was happy to break 100, whereas before I regularly shot in the 80's. Decided to get fit for some new clubs at Massengale Golf, in Spring, TX, at the nFlight facility there. Fitted for the G25's, same lie and length as i10's, with different shafts. Look out! Golf is fun again. Have shot several 81's, my low score, and could have been lower with better putting and a few less errant tee shots OB. Nothing else has changed in my game. No lessons and still same ugly swing. Have played several courses for the first time with these clubs, and still breaking 90 not knowing the courses.

I'm back to being competitive in my money games with my buddies. I look forward to going to the course, and wondering if this is the day i break 80, instead of hoping to break 90.
[/quote]

Great to hear you are enjoying the game again, that's what it really is all about. People that say equipment does not make a difference must have have perfect swings. The guy who started this thread is a +4 hcp and has tried qualifing for the US Open so Imam guessing his swing is OK!!!

One question for you. How is it you joined here like 6 years ago and this is only your 2nd post. You just get out of jail or something ( probably put my foot in my mouth, won't be the first time)
[/quote]

Haha, not real jail, but golf jail. Didn't want to turn into one of those guys looking for the magical clubs, so thought this would be a bad site to visit regularly. The i10's really exposed my swing flaws. The more I read about them, the more I realized they were not the best Ping offerings for me, but didn't want to constantly buy new equipment. Guess it shows how good Westwood is, as he gamed them for a long time.

G25's let's me have fun, swing flaws and all. I'm sure there are other clubs that would do the same, but Ping took care of me with my first set on a shaft fix, and I appreciate what they do for Military. Also, don't care for the companies always putting out new products every few months.

[Donno]

G25's are nice clubs...
[quote name='Lobber' timestamp='1392061139' post='8638243']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391899433' post='8625437']
Donno

I could not agree more with you regarding switching clubs because of bad swing days. More club hoing is done because of this than for any other reason. Guys that say they do NOT change clubs looking for the holy grail are just fooling themselves. I have played that Ping Rapture driver for three full seasons. It works so well I am afraid to regrip it. Sure I have hit some terrible shots with it, we are amatures and that will happen with anything
[/quote]

Glad you agree...some sanity. I'm not out to tell people what to play, or if one club is better than the other...kinda like pre-arranged marriages. However, club performance is nearly 100% a result of the swing. I focus my postings on realistic ideas as try to cut through the BS for those who hit upon this website for ideas or information about equipment. G25's are good clubs, but give me a break on them being magical.

I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs if they can't compress the ball on impact. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're designed to hit with compressive force. Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]


Could not agree more. I am spending more time on short game and that has helped me drop my scores. I have always been a good driver of the ball but struggled with short game and irons. Short game much better now but am going to give myself a break and game Ping G25 at some point. First however will be lessons.
[/quote]


[color=#222222]I think the G25's are very good clubs, and agree the short game is far more important. Ping, at least for me, seems to be one of the few makers that strives to design balanced clubs. NO [i]guaranteed[/i] +5 yards or whatever..so dumb. However, for me, some 6 months ago, swing plane and other changes have resulted in different "feels" which altered my perception of what clubs "work" for me. [/color]

[color=#222222]I'm so tired of the ov[i]er-analysis [/i]as to [i]which [/i]club is more [i]"forgiving",[/i] or which "[i]looks[/i]" better, because my swing, and any other golfer, dictates performance. I fixed a lot of swing nuances that caused dumb #ss shots. Before that, I blamed the shaft, club weight, length, too old, too new,...you name it. After lessons, and gigabytes of videos, I succumbed to the problem being me[i], notthe club. [/i]Now, I'm relieved to not feel compelled (like others on these forums) to run out and re-shaft with KBS Taper C's, rifle shafts, +1", add incremental grams of lead tape, adjust the lie "point 5" degrees, etc. This over-analysis simply gives the so-so golfer the misguided hope of shaving several strokes off a round without any effort. Kind of like "[i]everyone gets a trophy[/i]", even for last place.[/color]

[color=#222222]As for the G25's, don't think of them as being an end-all to better golf. Think of them as a dependable tool help craft a better swing, aiding in those times when you slip a little, but don't think it'll be a recurring event. I've seen club champion pro's hit G25's (and other SGI's) next to the average golfer and the shots look, and sound, TOTALLY different...to the point where if I just [i]watched[/i] and [i]listened[/i] to the ball, I wouldn't know if it was struck with a G25 or an MP4.[/color]

[boggyman]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1391899433' post='8625437'] Well said!!
Donno

I could not agree more with you regarding switching clubs because of bad swing days. More club hoing is done because of this than for any other reason. Guys that say they do NOT change clubs looking for the holy grail are just fooling themselves. I have played that Ping Rapture driver for three full seasons. It works so well I am afraid to regrip it. Sure I have hit some terrible shots with it, we are amatures and that will happen with anything
[/quote]

Glad you agree...some sanity. I'm not out to tell people what to play, or if one club is better than the other...kinda like pre-arranged marriages. However, club performance is nearly 100% a result of the swing. I focus my postings on realistic ideas as try to cut through the BS for those who hit upon this website for ideas or information about equipment. G25's are good clubs, but give me a break on them being magical.

I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs if they can't compress the ball on impact. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're designed to hit with compressive force. Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

[gopherguts]

Hmmm...Broadway $100/ticket...those can't be good seats.

 

All depends.

 

Haven't been in about a dozen years but back then I got very good seats for $75.

 

You're probably right though nowadays.

 

Then again there's always ,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Donno]

Hmmm...Broadway $100/ticket...those can't be good seats.

 

All depends.

 

Haven't been in about a dozen years but back then I got very good seats for $75.

 

You're probably right though nowadays.

 

Then again there's always ,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

Some of my posts are long enough that one might feel he/she has read the first several acts of a play! And the price of admission is cheap! Hope it's getting to golf temp back there soon.

[gopherguts]

Hmmm...Broadway $100/ticket...those can't be good seats.

 

All depends.

 

Haven't been in about a dozen years but back then I got very good seats for $75.

 

You're probably right though nowadays.

 

Then again there's always ,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

Some of my posts are long enough that one might feel he/she has read the first several acts of a play! And the price of admission is cheap! Hope it's getting to golf temp back there soon.

 

Doesn't matter to me anymore as I live in Florida.

 

But NYC has gotten socked this year. Snowfall in NYC already almost 4X average,,,,,,,,,,,,, and I'm in Thailand. Golf weather all year 'round. :D

[Veners]

Finally got the chance to test my re shafted g25 7 iron with kbs tour stiff (previously cfs stiff, but struggling for consistency and decent dispersion).

All I can say is wow what a difference (for me). Played a par 3 9 hole course so only used 6 iron down (rest of set still in cfs stiff) and by the end I wanted every shot to be a 7 iron.

I had previously had trouble controlling the g25s but with the kbs my dispersion was excellent, slightly lower ball flight which was good and when I did hit it offline the side spin was far less than with the cfs. It's winter here in the uk and I had the little course to myself so was hitting the 7 iron over and over again and loving it.

I think the overall club weight gain suited me, as well as the +2 SW points (tip weighted).

I found the cfs smoother but that may be because the kbs is stiffer, maybe on the max for me, but I will take that if it means more straight shots. If I get the same results after another test I will install the kbs tour shafts in the rest if the g25s

[OspreyCI]

[quote name='Veners' timestamp='1392676301' post='8688827']
Finally got the chance to test my re shafted g25 7 iron with kbs tour stiff (previously cfs stiff, but struggling for consistency and decent dispersion).

All I can say is wow what a difference (for me). Played a par 3 9 hole course so only used 6 iron down (rest of set still in cfs stiff) and by the end I wanted every shot to be a 7 iron.

I had previously had trouble controlling the g25s but with the kbs my dispersion was excellent, slightly lower ball flight which was good and when I did hit it offline the side spin was far less than with the cfs. It's winter here in the uk and I had the little course to myself so was hitting the 7 iron over and over again and loving it.

I think the overall club weight gain suited me, as well as the +2 SW points (tip weighted).

I found the cfs smoother but that may be because the kbs is stiffer, maybe on the max for me, but I will take that if it means more straight shots. If I get the same results after another test I will install the kbs tour shafts in the rest if the g25s
[/quote]
Dang you!!! Who did the work on the reshaft? Ping? Sounds what I might need.

[Donno]

Hmmm...Broadway $100/ticket...those can't be good seats.

 

All depends.

 

Haven't been in about a dozen years but back then I got very good seats for $75.

 

You're probably right though nowadays.

 

Then again there's always ,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

Some of my posts are long enough that one might feel he/she has read the first several acts of a play! And the price of admission is cheap! Hope it's getting to golf temp back there soon.

 

Doesn't matter to me anymore as I live in Florida.

 

But NYC has gotten socked this year. Snowfall in NYC already almost 4X average,,,,,,,,,,,,, and I'm in Thailand. Golf weather all year 'round. :D

 

Yeah, it's been cold in SoCal, like only in the 70s in January...uh oh, shouldn't have posted this....delete...delete!

[Veners]

[quote name='OspreyCI' timestamp='1392678174' post='8689067']
[quote name='Veners' timestamp='1392676301' post='8688827']
Finally got the chance to test my re shafted g25 7 iron with kbs tour stiff (previously cfs stiff, but struggling for consistency and decent dispersion).

All I can say is wow what a difference (for me). Played a par 3 9 hole course so only used 6 iron down (rest of set still in cfs stiff) and by the end I wanted every shot to be a 7 iron.

I had previously had trouble controlling the g25s but with the kbs my dispersion was excellent, slightly lower ball flight which was good and when I did hit it offline the side spin was far less than with the cfs. It's winter here in the uk and I had the little course to myself so was hitting the 7 iron over and over again and loving it.

I think the overall club weight gain suited me, as well as the +2 SW points (tip weighted).

I found the cfs smoother but that may be because the kbs is stiffer, maybe on the max for me, but I will take that if it means more straight shots. If I get the same results after another test I will install the kbs tour shafts in the rest if the g25s
[/quote]
Dang you!!! Who did the work on the reshaft? Ping? Sounds what I might need.
[/quote]

No was a local club fitter here in the uk CT Golf, I am 50/50 about going tip weights in the whole set though (heard it maybe changes the MOI?) so still deciding if I should ask the local fitter to install the shafts then send to ping for them to use the custom port to bring up the SW. Either way I'm pretty sure the KBS tours will be going in.

[Nessism]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.

[bstring]

[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.

[Donno]

[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.

[Veners]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392775832' post='8698435']
[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.
[/quote]

It's difficult to understand the motive of your posts, it's very clear the G25 is more forgiving than MP64 irons on off centre hits and will therefore get the ball closer to the target on those strikes.

[gopherguts]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392775832' post='8698435']
[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.
[/quote]

If you don't understand the very basic concept of perimeter weighting expanding the effective sweet spot of an iron, or a tennis racket for that matter, I don't know what to tell you.

You like blades, go ahead and play blades. Play whatever you want for whatever REASON(S) you want. But please, Nessisn's statement is correct. PERIOD

Go to one of the "blade vs cavity backs" threads and argue about that there. I doubt you'll many takers here. Most of us are pretty tired of each other,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Donno]

[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1392914061' post='8708959']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392775832' post='8698435']
[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.
[/quote]

If you don't understand the very basic concept of perimeter weighting expanding the effective sweet spot of an iron, or a tennis racket for that matter, I don't know what to tell you.

You like blades, go ahead and play blades. Play whatever you want for whatever REASON(S) you want. But please, Nessisn's statement is correct. PERIOD

Go to one of the "blade vs cavity backs" threads and argue about that there. I doubt you'll many takers here. Most of us are pretty tired of each other,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/quote]

Fair enough about "being tired of each other"...actually a great point...here's why. I'm not arguing the undeniable benefit of an expanded sweet spot [i]per se[/i], what I am arguing is the [u][i]degree [/i][/u]of benefit because I have yet to see quantitative evidence that a "blade" off center hit is "X" yards "more" left or right, or shorter, than a cavity back. Moreover, the whole "G25 is better...period" is ridiculously impossible to measure on a golf course because "[i]results[/i]" drive perception.

For example, a guy playing blades one day actually hits the green "[i]because[/i]" he hits off center....ohhh, [i]great shot[/i]...[i]birdie[/i]...blades are great. Then the next time he uses the blades he hits short..."[i]blades suck[/i]"..."where's my cavity back"...then he hits a cavity back long...double bogey...[i]uh oh[/i]...hmmm...less feel, hard to control...[i]where's the blades[/i]...and the cycle never ends. That's why the argument never ends. I never tell people to hit any club...I played all kinds of cavity backs for years...recently X-22 Tours...never ANY noticeable reduction in handicap, just less feel and less perceptible frustration on lousy shots.

[Veners]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392955005' post='8713357']
[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1392914061' post='8708959']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392775832' post='8698435']
[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.
[/quote]

If you don't understand the very basic concept of perimeter weighting expanding the effective sweet spot of an iron, or a tennis racket for that matter, I don't know what to tell you.

You like blades, go ahead and play blades. Play whatever you want for whatever REASON(S) you want. But please, Nessisn's statement is correct. PERIOD

Go to one of the "blade vs cavity backs" threads and argue about that there. I doubt you'll many takers here. Most of us are pretty tired of each other,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/quote]

Fair enough about "being tired of each other"...actually a great point...here's why. I'm not arguing the undeniable benefit of an expanded sweet spot [i]per se[/i], what I am arguing is the [u][i]degree [/i][/u]of benefit because I have yet to see quantitative evidence that a "blade" off center hit is "X" yards "more" left or right, or shorter, than a cavity back. Moreover, the whole "G25 is better...period" is ridiculously impossible to measure on a golf course because "[i]results[/i]" drive perception.

For example, a guy playing blades one day actually hits the green "[i]because[/i]" he hits off center....ohhh, [i]great shot[/i]...[i]birdie[/i]...blades are great. Then the next time he uses the blades he hits short..."[i]blades suck[/i]"..."where's my cavity back"...then he hits a cavity back long...double bogey...[i]uh oh[/i]...hmmm...less feel, hard to control...[i]where's the blades[/i]...and the cycle never ends. That's why the argument never ends. I never tell people to hit any club...I played all kinds of cavity backs for years...recently X-22 Tours...never ANY noticeable reduction in handicap, just less feel and less perceptible frustration on lousy shots.
[/quote]

I think it may be impossible for you to measure the G25s benefit on a golf course as you have stated on previous posts that you have only hit them in a store, not on an actual golf course, quite a few people on this thread own or have demoed the clubs on a course (including the OP).

Results may drive perception (or form a part of it) but I think it's fair to say your best to actually try the clubs in the environment you are referring 'on the golf course' to actually witness then comment so strongly on results or a lack of.

[Veners]

[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392955005' post='8713357']
[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1392914061' post='8708959']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392775832' post='8698435']
[quote name='bstring' timestamp='1392763588' post='8696945']
[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1392731354' post='8693181']
[quote name='Donno' timestamp='1392002607' post='8633793']
I talked to the head pro...discussing clubs, etc. He said "[i]many[/i]" trade out their clubs vs. getting lessons that it's crazy, and a majority actually buy clubs based on online recommendations! Even more interesting, he said people should [b][i]not [/i][/b]play blade clubs[b] if they can't compress the ball on impact[/b]. Otherwise...play about any club...[i]doesn't matter[/i]. He said the average ball-striker should not play blades because they're [b]designed to hit with compressive force.[/b] Alternately, he said blades won't really "hurt" the average golfer either. Basically, blades are like a hammer...still can drive the nail, but they're the "wrong tool" for most players. He said the majority of new clubs are designed for bogey+ golfers. Makes sense.

Then he pointed to the driving range...about 50 people whacking away, then to the putting green...2 people, and to the short game practice area...3. You get my point. His final comment was that most guys are so afraid to miss the green (search for the holy grail of irons) that they panic to find perfection with irons...adding that NO ONE can expect to hit every green.
[/quote]

Ball compression occurs due to the impact collision between the ball and club, it has nothing to do with the angle of attack, ie, hitting down on the ball.

Clubs like the G25 with a high MOI. will hit the ball closer to the target compared to a low MOI club when the player strikes the ball off center. Period. No one is suggesting that buying clubs is the fastest route to improving your score.

As for short game vs. long game practice is concern, it's human nature to want to hit the ball more solidly with the irons vs. trying to become an expert with the short game. When someone flubs a 7-iron and knocks it into a pond or whatever, it's far more frustrating for the average golfer than chipping and leaving the ball short. Costs you strokes either way, but not equal from the frustration standpoint for the average player.
[/quote]

I never looked at it that way, although its really true. I work a good amount on my short game, especially after playing with my father in law and his friends who don't hit the ball too far but from 100yds in these guys are killers who'll
take my money.
My friends on the other hand get rattled when they hit a horrible full swing iron shot. They rarely show that much frustration on a bad 3/4 lob or long pitch or chip. I can make up for a lot of bad swings with a good short game.
[/quote]

Great post...some sanity. The prior post to yours was not bad...maybe a little crusty, until I saw the ultimatum that the G25 will hit the ball with more accuracy on an off-center hit than blades..."period". I feel like comparing blades to GI/SGI irons is the same as probably what goes on in some "[i]Ford vs. Chevy[/i]" forum.

It was really the "[i]period[/i]" that bothered me. First, what the heck does "[i]off center[/i]" mean...it's never defined. Does it mean too low/high/right/left...how far from center...is the G25 equally good from [i]any area [/i]off-center? If you're a Ping spokesman then I get it, otherwise it would be great if you could present factual evidence to backup your claim, like 1,000 robotic shots hit with an MP64 7 iron (example) vs. 1,000 with G25 7 iron, then move the robot to hit off-center shots from the left/right/up/down of the face on each. Then if ALL G25 shots were [i]closer [/i]I would gladly retract my challenge. No matter how good anyone thinks they are, they're going to miss approach shots to greens...in the water, sand, or wherever....no matter the type of iron.
[/quote]

If you don't understand the very basic concept of perimeter weighting expanding the effective sweet spot of an iron, or a tennis racket for that matter, I don't know what to tell you.

You like blades, go ahead and play blades. Play whatever you want for whatever REASON(S) you want. But please, Nessisn's statement is correct. PERIOD

Go to one of the "blade vs cavity backs" threads and argue about that there. I doubt you'll many takers here. Most of us are pretty tired of each other,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/quote]

Fair enough about "being tired of each other"...actually a great point...here's why. I'm not arguing the undeniable benefit of an expanded sweet spot [i]per se[/i], what I am arguing is the [u][i]degree [/i][/u]of benefit because I have yet to see quantitative evidence that a "blade" off center hit is "X" yards "more" left or right, or shorter, than a cavity back. Moreover, the whole "G25 is better...period" is ridiculously impossible to measure on a golf course because "[i]results[/i]" drive perception.

For example, a guy playing blades one day actually hits the green "[i]because[/i]" he hits off center....ohhh, [i]great shot[/i]...[i]birdie[/i]...blades are great. Then the next time he uses the blades he hits short..."[i]blades suck[/i]"..."where's my cavity back"...then he hits a cavity back long...double bogey...[i]uh oh[/i]...hmmm...less feel, hard to control...[i]where's the blades[/i]...and the cycle never ends. That's why the argument never ends. I never tell people to hit any club...I played all kinds of cavity backs for years...recently X-22 Tours...never ANY noticeable reduction in handicap, just less feel and less perceptible frustration on lousy shots.
[/quote]

I think it may be impossible for you to measure the G25s benefit on a golf course as you have stated on previous posts that you have only hit them in a store, not on an actual golf course, quite a few people on this thread own or have demoed the clubs on a course (including the OP).

Results may drive perception (or form a part of it) but I think it's fair to say your best to actually try the clubs in the environment you are referring 'on the golf course' to actually experience them, rather than comment so strongly on results or a lack of without having done that first.

If reference to technical data by robots; golf clubs are not designed for robots, rather humans who do not have such repeatable swings, that's why I personally enjoy reading about fellow golfers actual experiences in using the equipment in forums such as this as opposed to going solely on marketing technical data using robots (although there is plenty out there for you if you google it) here is a good independent review of these irons both on trackman and on the course;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3eL7fW-OoyU

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtgKhFUWms

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TJGwZJdXbVw

[Gbyeball]

Donno my friend you are becoming a bit of a troll in this thread. You have stated it is your opinion the forgivness of the G25 will not make that big a difference out on the course, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Please stop trolling this thread trying to covince all of us we are wrong about the playability of these clubs, no one is listening.

For the record I also own and play : Hogan Apex Plus, Hogan Apex Edge Pro, MP53, MP63, MP32 so I have a very broad range of playing experience. My home course is a tough second shot course and I hover around a 8-10 hcp, not great but not a total hack either. The G25 made enough of a difference that I will play them again this season.

With all this snow I would be happy hitting a rock with a stick in the middle of a cow pasture right now. I envy you living in CA with nice warm weather , what does green grass look like again, I have forgotten.

[4dunes]

The G25 was the first set of irons I have been fitted for and they have helped my handicap reduce from 20(April 2013) to 13 (Oct 2013). I find that I hit the ball straight with these irons but not necessarily that far. I have owned them for almost a year and plan to keep them for at least another year, hopefully they can reduce my handicap a little more.
I would recommend these irons

[JBuer]

Set up a fitting for this Monday. Getting excited even though there's still more snow in the forecast. Fitter is using Trackman and I will be hitting from a covered and heated , outside bay. Should be fun!!

[Donno]

[quote name='Gbyeball' timestamp='1392983318' post='8714464']
Donno my friend you are becoming a bit of a troll in this thread. You have stated it is your opinion the forgivness of the G25 will not make that big a difference out on the course, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Please stop trolling this thread trying to covince all of us we are wrong about the playability of these clubs, no one is listening.

For the record I also own and play : Hogan Apex Plus, Hogan Apex Edge Pro, MP53, MP63, MP32 so I have a very broad range of playing experience. My home course is a tough second shot course and I hover around a 8-10 hcp, not great but not a total hack either. The G25 made enough of a difference that I will play them again this season.

With all this snow I would be happy hitting a rock with a stick in the middle of a cow pasture right now. I envy you living in CA with nice warm weather , what does green grass look like again, I have forgotten.
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[i]Donno my friend you are becoming a bit of a troll in this thread. You have stated it is your opinion the forgivness of the G25 will not make that big a difference out on the course, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Please stop trolling this thread trying to covince all of us we are wrong about the playability of these clubs, no one is listening.[/i]

Troll comment aside...I'm not disagreeing that G25's are [u]FOR YOU[/u], but I see a lot of used G25 sets for sale at the local Roger Dunn, and many other SGI sets. The evangelistic affirmations of "better golf" via the G25's is annoying. Everyone has a tendency to switch out clubs for "seasons" for thousands of reasons. And...I agree, if your drive leaves you with 180+ approach shots, the G25's, as well as [u][i]many other SGI irons[/i][/u], are better, probably with a smattering of hybrids. If that results in lower scores...perfect...I would do the same thing.

However, I'm still waiting to see the empirical evidence that G25's are more "[i]playable[/i]". In all my years of playing golf, I never really found the ultimate "[i]playable[/i]" clubs...I found clubs that fit my swing at that "[i]particular time[/i]"...but I'm open to suggestions. And I'm pretty sure I could pair a G25 with a different shaft which would make it not so "playable". My point is the shaft is amply more important than the club head. Call me a troll, but I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this way.