Persimmon driver

 mdgboxx ·  
mdgboxxmdgboxx Put lipstick on a pig - - - it's still a pigMembers  5266WRX Points: 189Posts: 5,266 Titanium Tees
Joined:  in Hickory, Persimmon and Classic Clubs #1

Does anyone know the size, in cc, of a persimmon driver?

In 1993, I bought a set of 1200, system 45, by Wilson (Metal woods) The size of the driver's head doesn't seem to be any larger than a persimmon. Even Wilson can't tell me the size of it. The FWs could compare to a Hybrid by today's standards.

Posted:
DRIVER: Ping G20, 9.5° w/169D-Tour, reg (Back up: Srixon Z-rw, 9.5°, stf)
3+W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5°, stock SV3005J, stf. (In rotation: 3W, 14.5°)
5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° stock SV3005J, stf
IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW, stock CFS reg @ D2,
Red Dot
PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weights, Lamkin Jumbo pistol grip
WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS, stock Ping wedge shafts

BALL: Srixon XV
CART: SunMountain V1, STEWARTGOLF Z1
BAG: SM H2N0, PING C-130
BACK UP: Ping S58, 3-Pw, stock CS-Lite, stf, @ D2. (Lofts jacked to S55 specs.)
1

Comments

  • JiggeredJiggered Midlands UKMembers  540WRX Points: 190Handicap: 14Posts: 540 Golden Tee
    Joined:  #2

    The first steel metal woods were often smaller than persimmon due to the weight of the steel, any bigger and the swingweight was too high.

    See pic below of an early Titleist for example.


    Posted:
    It's not all about the score.
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  12742WRX Points: 3,525Handicap: 5.0Posts: 12,742 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #3

    Don't quote this as gospel from me. The early metal drivers like Jiggered posted were around 285 290 cc so to speak. I never played those in that age because I had a bad rope hooking problem and the combo of the hot metal faces and weak graphite shafts really exaggerated that for me. I played persimmon front line in comps and all until 01 or so. LOL back in the summer I was on the range hitting one of my old Mac fairways and this kid was beside me around 14 years old or so. He asked me in all sincerity " Sir when did they start making hybrids out of wood?" I explained it to him and we compared it to his Cally hybrid. In fact the little Mac Custom 4 wood was a touch smaller than his hybrid.

    Posted:

    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Macgregor Bobby Grace MK5 Tour Issue
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

  • dcopp7dcopp7 Members  1178WRX Points: 211Posts: 1,178 Platinum Tees
    Joined:  #4

    No ^^^ they were more like 185cc. The big bertha was like 253cc. i think the biggest big bertha was 265cc.

    Posted:
    Cleveland Launcher 460 Titanium 10.5* driver

    Cobra MAX 16.5* 3 wood

    Cobra Bio Cell 19* hybrid

    Dynacraft Prophet CB flexface 5i-PW

    Acer XB 52* & 58* wedges

    OLD Northwestern heel shaft putter
  • JimmyC59JimmyC59 Members  81WRX Points: 76Posts: 81 Fairways
    Joined:  #5

    You could get a Pyrex 4 cup measuring cup. They have Metric measurements on the other side. Put the head in the cup, fill to the 1000 ml line, remove head, calculate the difference. One ml = 1cc.

    Posted:
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  12742WRX Points: 3,525Handicap: 5.0Posts: 12,742 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #6
    Posted:

    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Macgregor Bobby Grace MK5 Tour Issue
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7123WRX Points: 1,152Handicap: 7Posts: 7,123 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Feb 28, 2020 2:23pm #7


    Persimmons are around 190cc to 200cc, based on the info at Louisville Golf. Their Classic 50s driver is 190cc, the LFF they're selling is 200cc. The Whale, 250cc. (edited to add: the Osage driver they sold for a while was 185cc)

    The Big Bertha was 195cc, the GBB 253cc, and the Biggest Big Bertha was 290 or 295 (found first two on intarwebs, but not the BBB).

    Guy from GEA measured the J's Professional Weapon he sent me, but I don't remember what he got; I think it was 170cc at the most, may have been around 150something.

    Posted:
    Post edited by NRJyzr on
    The Ever Changing Bag!

    Driver: Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 43.25"
    3w:  Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 42.25"
    2i:  Mizuno Pro, DGS300
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft forged 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Urethane/Professional, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar, Snell MTB Black, Vice Pro Lime... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 1-SW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    On occasion, Ram 1i or Mizuno 2i replaced with Orlimar persimmon 4w, Dynamic S

    Driver Substitutes: Golden Ram TW801, TW802, or TW805
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • mdgboxxmdgboxx Put lipstick on a pig - - - it's still a pig Members  5266WRX Points: 189Posts: 5,266 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #8

    LOL....And I am here, at 75, learning from all of you.


    Side Note: My Wilson came with a steel shaft. Except for the grooves, there was nothing hot about that face, The whole head looked and felt like it was made from a ball of SS.

    Posted:
    DRIVER: Ping G20, 9.5° w/169D-Tour, reg (Back up: Srixon Z-rw, 9.5°, stf)
    3+W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5°, stock SV3005J, stf. (In rotation: 3W, 14.5°)
    5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° stock SV3005J, stf
    IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW, stock CFS reg @ D2,
    Red Dot
    PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weights, Lamkin Jumbo pistol grip
    WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS, stock Ping wedge shafts

    BALL: Srixon XV
    CART: SunMountain V1, STEWARTGOLF Z1
    BAG: SM H2N0, PING C-130
    BACK UP: Ping S58, 3-Pw, stock CS-Lite, stf, @ D2. (Lofts jacked to S55 specs.)
  • mdgboxxmdgboxx Put lipstick on a pig - - - it's still a pig Members  5266WRX Points: 189Posts: 5,266 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #9

    I had to take a second look. That middle Titleist looks exactly like my Wilson. And, 11° to boot.

    Thanx for sharing.

    For someone like me, it's a monumental chalenge to post pics. I so much wanted to post pics of the whole set, at least the diff woods, like you did with the woods comparison.

    Posted:
    DRIVER: Ping G20, 9.5° w/169D-Tour, reg (Back up: Srixon Z-rw, 9.5°, stf)
    3+W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5°, stock SV3005J, stf. (In rotation: 3W, 14.5°)
    5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° stock SV3005J, stf
    IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW, stock CFS reg @ D2,
    Red Dot
    PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weights, Lamkin Jumbo pistol grip
    WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS, stock Ping wedge shafts

    BALL: Srixon XV
    CART: SunMountain V1, STEWARTGOLF Z1
    BAG: SM H2N0, PING C-130
    BACK UP: Ping S58, 3-Pw, stock CS-Lite, stf, @ D2. (Lofts jacked to S55 specs.)
  • mdgboxxmdgboxx Put lipstick on a pig - - - it's still a pig Members  5266WRX Points: 189Posts: 5,266 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #10

    I had thought of that...But,

    1) On here, I was offered an easy way out

    2) I made things complicated by not thinking of the 4 cup Pyrex


    Thanx for the Kickstart.

    Posted:
    DRIVER: Ping G20, 9.5° w/169D-Tour, reg (Back up: Srixon Z-rw, 9.5°, stf)
    3+W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5°, stock SV3005J, stf. (In rotation: 3W, 14.5°)
    5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° stock SV3005J, stf
    IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW, stock CFS reg @ D2,
    Red Dot
    PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weights, Lamkin Jumbo pistol grip
    WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS, stock Ping wedge shafts

    BALL: Srixon XV
    CART: SunMountain V1, STEWARTGOLF Z1
    BAG: SM H2N0, PING C-130
    BACK UP: Ping S58, 3-Pw, stock CS-Lite, stf, @ D2. (Lofts jacked to S55 specs.)
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  12742WRX Points: 3,525Handicap: 5.0Posts: 12,742 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #11

    Glad you mentioned the Louisville Golf persimmons---- Reminded me I have a set of Louisville Golf persimmon woods I found 6 months ago or so. I think they are Driver 3 wood and I think 5 wood. I had cleaned them up because some moron had evidently been hitting off of mats and the green stuff was all over them. The 5 wood was bent in the neck from hitting the mats. I had un whipped it and checked for damage and had straightened and re whipped it. Had waxed them up with Minwax and put covers on them. Frankly forgot them until you mentioned Louisville Golf. Thanks may pull them out and play vintage with them tomorrow afternoon

    Posted:

    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Macgregor Bobby Grace MK5 Tour Issue
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

  • mocokidmocokid Members  2143WRX Points: 341Posts: 2,143 Platinum Tees
    Joined:  #12

    the big bertha was the game changer. The Pittsburgh persimmon and early metal were so so, marginally longer than wood, but that metallic clang even on sold hits was dreadful. The BB turned a 220 drive into 230+, and the mishits were the key. If you mishit persimmon you were lucky to hit it 200 yd. The BB meant 210-220 on misses.

    Posted:
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • mdgboxxmdgboxx Put lipstick on a pig - - - it's still a pig Members  5266WRX Points: 189Posts: 5,266 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #13

    UPDATE:

    Did the Water/volume test.

    The driver comes to 250 cc. 3W, 200 cc. 5W, 150 cc

    Took pictures with my phone, still can't load them. I have some on here from years back. I don't remember how I did it.

    Yeah, Practice, Practice, Practice or lack thereof.

    Posted:
    DRIVER: Ping G20, 9.5° w/169D-Tour, reg (Back up: Srixon Z-rw, 9.5°, stf)
    3+W: Srixon Z-Steel, 12.5°, stock SV3005J, stf. (In rotation: 3W, 14.5°)
    5W: Srixon Z-Steel, 18.5° stock SV3005J, stf
    IRONS: Ping i20, 3-PW, stock CFS reg @ D2,
    Red Dot
    PUTTER: Ping Craz-E iWi, w/2x20gr weights, Lamkin Jumbo pistol grip
    WEDGES: Ping Glide, 54° SS, 60° TS, stock Ping wedge shafts

    BALL: Srixon XV
    CART: SunMountain V1, STEWARTGOLF Z1
    BAG: SM H2N0, PING C-130
    BACK UP: Ping S58, 3-Pw, stock CS-Lite, stf, @ D2. (Lofts jacked to S55 specs.)

Leave a Comment

Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.