Blade users thread (NO DEBATING CLUBHEADS! NO Buy Sell Trade!)

[Sir edward of putternut]

And on a final note...

 

Gosh darnit why r my f'ing pics always f'ing sideways. F!

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

Understood and that is exactly why my gamers are BBs (and why I couldn't care less if I ever play a CB again). No matter how minuscule, they give me the best chance of being closer to the pin than any other iron. On average I can't tell a difference in my score whether I use an mp60, mp67, Retro TB, or BB, BUT...I do know that I shoot my personal bests and break 80 more often with the BBs. And I am a club longer with them and they are just a skosh more workable than the other sets. All this culminates in them being my gamers. Every now and then I simply go my lowest with them and that is tied to their ability to get me closer to the pin. It is a no brainer to me, but I am also a realist about how *significant* their benefits are. Meaning I wouldn't lose much sleep if I had to play a money game with a different set. Although unlike you I can't claim they have a 2 or 3 stroke potential benefit. For me I don't even look at it in terms of strokes, all I ever see it as is proximity to the hole and then I just see it as a higher probability to score lower from it. It is very hard for me to claim definite strokes gained or even the number of "better" miss hits. It's all just statistical probabilities in my head.

 

I've never seen the word "skosh" used before, but guessed that it must have come from the Japanese word "sukoshi/少し" meaning "a little." Sure enough, it does, and appeared to enter the English language during the '50s, so I would guess that US troops brought the word back back to the States during the postwar Occupation. Interesting little bit of info for me.

[mahonie]

I think it's damn nigh impossible to make the argument that any club could feel better on a fine strike than a blade but it's easy to make the argument that any club could produce and reproduce excellent results with a fine strike if one were to use ball flight as their primary form of feedback.

 

I totally agree with the possibility. But why not also enhance that VISUAL feedback with also a superior FEEL that is also tied to that ball flight? For sure visual observation *may* be adequate enough to learn and benefit from, but why not have the added benefit of FEEL? It is easy to make the argument that the more methods of feedback you take in, the more the brain can process that feedback and learn from it.

 

You won't believe the amount of times my playing partners have said 'Good shot,' or 'That's all over it,' and I have said 'No, it's 10 yards short.' I know the instant I make contact where the ball is going to finish without following it's flight. Very occasionally, I might say 'Yep, that's close,' but it is only occasionally ;-)

[NRJyzr]

Did someone call?

 

[Bigmean]

Went to range last night.....Fing lessons.....it was very touch and go with new swing stuff..

 

So I brought 6-9 in both Miura and the new Wilson V4s. The V4s went well, they are actually not in close in head size as I was saying, I mean they are close but staffs have a wider sole and thicker top line and get bigger in longer irons, which is fine... Well to cut to the chase, I don't see a reason for a comparison thread between these and my muiras so I will do a brief one here. Keep in mind, we are comparing

 

Feel/Feedback: If you look up reviews of them, you will read "Firm" and "feedback" over and over. Ok, as a Miura guy that is my style even though I wanted softer in this set. I was worried that the V4s would be not soft enough for what I wanted etc., dude, they are dead/hollow when hit back to back with the BBs, so no problem there. I like them, a lot, don't get me wrong, first impressions were this is going to probably be what I want, but it was pretty eye opening to hit a small forged players cb next to the BBs and have the BBs just blow the doors off them feedback wise. That said, I could imagine many golfers saying they feel better. But legit, I was hitting some toward the toe with them and it didn't feel right (They went right though) and more than once I had to look at the face for the grass marks to see where I hit it. I can't tell you the last time I had to look at the face of my small blades to see where I missed it. So what was interesting is that an iron known for being firm and feedbacky in comparison to small blades felt neither.

 

Performance: my swing isn't there to say much. I misssed the V4s left a bit and not sure if it was 130s or me but I am thinking me. They are easier to hit, and unlike pings etc I was getting a crazy piercing and nice trajectory with them (130s?). Really liked the sole interaction, good for my sandy range, we will see on tight lies but fine I presume. I can't find the lofts, but I think they are not as much longer as Miuras as I expected. I did bring the 6 and not Miura 6 and I have to say, it was nice, I can see the performance of these clubs being 7-pw better Miura and 4-6 better staff, but my Miuras were straighter.

 

I need more time, but that is all. I think performance is sorta a fake thing to talk about in irons since it really a person swinging, but the bottom line is that I am really happy with these for their purpose I think, I do like them, I am happy they have that soft hollow feel because I want different, and for the money I think if you are man enough to not care if you play Wilson irons, they are amazing. That said(And I have hit Miura cbs and owned a set) Miura is what it is perceived to be for a reason. Making an honest comparative thread on these would just end up reading as some pompous Miura self reassurance crap and I am not doing that. You all know me well enough to know I really wanted the V4s to make a compelling case the Miuras were not worth the price difference. I haven't felt that soft hollow feel since my cast DCIs, I still may end up playing these a lot more than I thought and liking them a lot and leaning on them as I work on my swing.

 

Anyway, that is that. I am concerned about a scramble I am playing in next week, I need to hit the range a fair amount to before then, i am committing 100% but I wasn't invited and paid for to hit the ball like last night.......

[DeNinny]

I think it's damn nigh impossible to make the argument that any club could feel better on a fine strike than a blade but it's easy to make the argument that any club could produce and reproduce excellent results with a fine strike if one were to use ball flight as their primary form of feedback.

 

I totally agree with the possibility. But why not also enhance that VISUAL feedback with also a superior FEEL that is also tied to that ball flight? For sure visual observation *may* be adequate enough to learn and benefit from, but why not have the added benefit of FEEL? It is easy to make the argument that the more methods of feedback you take in, the more the brain can process that feedback and learn from it.

 

You won't believe the amount of times my playing partners have said 'Good shot,' or 'That's all over it,' and I have said 'No, it's 10 yards short.' I know the instant I make contact where the ball is going to finish without following it's flight. Very occasionally, I might say 'Yep, that's close,' but it is only occasionally ;-)

And let's not forget the superior aural feedback from a blade as well. While not as precise as feel and sight, the sound of different quality strikes with a blade is more distinct.

 

Playing blades is like watching high definition TV with 3D surround sound. Playing CBs is more like standard definition with stereo or mono sound.

[PKennedy13]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

[NRJyzr]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

 

I'm not trying to be difficult in saying this, but there's no real single answer to your question. Golf is very much not "one size fits all," so what works for one person may or may not work for another.

 

That said, I've found essentially zero difference between what people call "players CB" irons and blades. I've seen dozens upon dozens of people tout them, but for me, they did nothing. It was the worst of both worlds, as far as I was concerned. LOL

 

So I would suggest just diving right in.

 

Such is my take.

[DeNinny]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

 

There is no benefit from going into it in steps. Go ALL-IN. Blades are so much better for performance and feel/feedback than SGI CBs and so that drastic improvement is more apparent when you make the biggest leap possible.

 

If you go in incremental steps you will experience an incremental improvement.

 

Also there really isn't much difference in scoring between iron types anyway. A vanilla CB or "player's" CB might as well be a blade...

 

If you want to play blades just go out and play them without fear or reservation. Any golfer that isn't a head case about them can play them. And they can do it just as good if not better than any other iron type...as long as they have the right mindset.

[Bigmean]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

 

I agree with NR. Dude, just dive in and be open minded and you will be surprised. If stri king is really something you want to work on, I am not saying blades will make you better, but look at my comments above abouty blades and PCB irons, the feedback from my blades blows the doors off the feedback from my really compact player cbs. if I have to hit 100 balls with my blades at the range, then not look at the club and point to a clean face is the same iron I was hitting at where I hit the ball for each shot I FEEL like I could do a very good job out of 100 being pretty darn close. Blade feedback is real, and whether or not one embraces or likes or hates it is moot. I just recently again proved to myself just how different it really is. I started this thread, and I am still surprised at just how great the difference in feedback is when going back and forth.

 

Not to start the "I can tell on a cb" argument you can, but blades are like an extention of your nervous system. Of course with that, are some drawbacks as well. But if you want to get into ballstriking. Dive in!!! Old mizunos, can't go wrong to get wet for first time.

[Nard_S]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

 

As others have said, there is no right answer,I come down on, "play what drives your passion" and if that means all in or step across the river by hopping rocks, it's your call.

 

I would only add that being just as focused on shafts and weighting configurations is a must and that figuring out ideal combo of weight and flex towards a Goldilocks fit is more important than actual head type. So experiment. Too heavy or too light , too stiff or too soft can screw mechanics and promote bad habits.

 

Good luck.

[DeNinny]

LOL Biggie my friend I told you what happens when you go to CBs. Enjoy your 'honeymoon phase' with them. You may *like* the numb feedback from CBs now but I'm gonna bet that is gonna lose some luster over time. The blissful feel/feedback of BBs is a curse as well as a blessing.

[TGans]

Do you guys think that it is a smart move when transitioning from more game improvement irons to blades to maybe hit a couple steps in between.

 

I'm barely 16 and realized that my ball striking/game was never going to get better if I kept game improvement irons.

 

I started out with the Speedblades and then from there switched to Nike vr pro combo. I'm currently playing cally x-forged and love them. My goal is to eventually use blades.

 

Do you think that I'm on the right path

 

I'm 18 and switched to blades when I was 17, switching to blades was the best thing I did for my game. Made me focus more on my swing and made me think more critically about shot selection. Even if you end up getting into swing problems, you can switch back to GI's and it's like going from benching 225 to the bar.

[Bigmean]

LOL Biggie my friend I told you what happens when you go to CBs. Enjoy your 'honeymoon phase' with them. You may *like* the numb feedback from CBs now but I'm gonna bet that is gonna lose some luster over time. The blissful feel/feedback of BBs is a curse as well as a blessing.

 

Change of pace bro, no BBs on BST or ebay from me, let's calm down lol.

[buzlin]

LOL Biggie my friend I told you what happens when you go to CBs. Enjoy your 'honeymoon phase' with them. You may *like* the numb feedback from CBs now but I'm gonna bet that is gonna lose some luster over time. The blissful feel/feedback of BBs is a curse as well as a blessing.

 

Change of pace bro, no BBs on BST or ebay from me, let's calm down lol.

Change of pace, yes, that's where I've been for a few years now. Unfortunately, when you find a CB that hits most buttons, and occasionally your ball flies better than you know you deserve compared to your MBs, that gets in your head just as much as the pure feeling from a perfectly executed MB shot.................just saying. Happy Friday!

[DeNinny]

LOL Biggie my friend I told you what happens when you go to CBs. Enjoy your 'honeymoon phase' with them. You may *like* the numb feedback from CBs now but I'm gonna bet that is gonna lose some luster over time. The blissful feel/feedback of BBs is a curse as well as a blessing.

 

Change of pace bro, no BBs on BST or ebay from me, let's calm down lol.

 

That's like saying you need to 'change the pace' from sleeping with a porn star or supermodel by going on platonic dates with backpage.com women. Not judging, just saying.

[Safranic03]

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About me: I play to a solid 8 right now, most cause I can't get down in less than 33 putts.

 

When you imagine an iron built from the gods... jk

 

In all honesty, the MP32's may be the finest irons Mizuno has ever produced. The 32's provide blade workability in a more penetrating ball flight. Which is wonderful, because i hit 3 irons that'll rival any wedge, lol. They are butter soft, and give you about a quarter size on the face before you get punished, and you will.

 

Prior to these I played MDC tour blades, which were a cast blade, and I was pretty happy with them. They weren't the softest, but performed very well for $250 blades out of the box.

 

My best shot ever with 32's happened a few weeks back, I had about 110 yards, in the woods, heavy rough, sitting down, and had to hit through a 10ft wide clearing, all the while slicing the ball to a green protected by mounds. I pulled an 8i, moved the ball back just an inch and hit down on it. The ball shot up, slicing through the air, and landed 25 ft left of the right side pin. Spun it back about a foot too .

 

With the MDC's and my best ever, I was playing a course back home in Ohio, and I was in semi heavy rough, for my second on a par 5. I had around 205 yards, and an ok lie, but had tall pine trees just 20-30 yards away. I pulled an 6i, widened my stance, took long fluid BS, and ripped at it. Truth is I never saw the shot, all I knew was I made clean contact and didn't hear and tree limbs. So, I hopped in the cart and drove straight looking as I went. As I got to the green I noticed 3 balls on the green and one chipping. I walked around to see if any were mine, and as I walked to the ball closest to the pin my heart actually raced. I marked it, picked it up, and read Wilson Staff! It was mine, sitting next to its mark, 6in from the hole! A tap in eagle!

First off, very very Nicely Played on some very fine golf shots :)

 

While the 32's are indeed a world-class blade, I think that you will probably find at least one individual who feels the same way about practically every MP blade ever produced. I myself would have to say the 14's are the greatest Iron ever produced by Mizzy, though my BFF goes more recent with 67's, a direct descendant of the 32's. I will say that I believe that the cut-muscle technology was Mizzy's finest addition to their irons, even though I've never Played a cut-muscle iron. I almost went with the 67's over the 68's however for me, the Staff 59's were superior to both due to their compact size and especially heel-toe length, second only in its beauty to Madison :)

 

Well, it sounds like you've gotta very nice arrow!!

 

Happy Huntimg Bro :)

 

My Best,

RP

 

I can attest to the world class playability of the mp67s as compared to any other from the Mizuno mp line. I can't find one thing that the mp32 does better than the mp67, personally, and I like the topline, offset, and sole width of the mp67 better myself. Of all the Mizuno irons that I have ever hit, I put the 4s, 33s, and 67s in what I consider the "upper class" of their mp irons. And on paper, since I have never hit them but I love the looks of them, I would put the 14s and 29s in this same class. Lagging behind these (but not by much at all) are the 5s, 32s, 37s. 68s, and 69s.

 

Also in my experience the cut muscle just damps the feel just a little and takes the edge off the feedback because of it. It doesn't seem to affect playability whatsoever but it does make the head feel just a little more "forgiving" and less solid overall than a normal blade head without the cut muscle. If it is supposed to move the CG around enough to notice, I for sure can't notice it doing anything of the sort. My reasons for loving the mp67s actually have nothing to do with it.

 

And yeah even though I am a Mizzy fan boi I still would agree that the Fg59s beat all of them! They are within the top three sexiest and best designed blades that I have ever seen. Gawd I want to hit them.

:wub: :yes: :wub:

 

From I know about the design, the 32's are supposed to have a more penetrating flight due to the the way the blade was cut,

as opposed to the 33's which in comparison people claimed the ball ballooned on them.

 

The FG 59's are that good huh?

[Kingcat990]

They came. They are magnificent. Surgical. Everything I wanted in appearance. I'll report back soon enough.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bigmean]

GAWDAMN!!!

 

I have ADHD, how much was that to your door?

[Kingcat990]

Shipping was $72 using a forward packaging service. Which I might add, never having used nor had even read a review; JpnDepot did an exceptional job getting the package out quickly once they received it.

 

I am pretty stoked that they were built and assembled at Masda. Their cut sheet was well detailed. Can't wait to get them on the course.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

Very nice, Kingcat, very nice indeed. Let us know what you think after you have played them.

[DeNinny]

Kingcat wowsa those are gonna be sweet. They are stunners. The design is just excellent. They make me wanna wife swap my Retro TB 'Dirty Girls' with you. I need to get wet with some Masdas some day. Gonna go take a cold shower and decon my phone from those pics now, TYVM. BBL...

[DeNinny]

I can attest to the world class playability of the mp67s as compared to any other from the Mizuno mp line. I can't find one thing that the mp32 does better than the mp67, personally, and I like the topline, offset, and sole width of the mp67 better myself. Of all the Mizuno irons that I have ever hit, I put the 4s, 33s, and 67s in what I consider the "upper class" of their mp irons. And on paper, since I have never hit them but I love the looks of them, I would put the 14s and 29s in this same class. Lagging behind these (but not by much at all) are the 5s, 32s, 37s. 68s, and 69s.

 

Also in my experience the cut muscle just damps the feel just a little and takes the edge off the feedback because of it. It doesn't seem to affect playability whatsoever but it does make the head feel just a little more "forgiving" and less solid overall than a normal blade head without the cut muscle. If it is supposed to move the CG around enough to notice, I for sure can't notice it doing anything of the sort. My reasons for loving the mp67s actually have nothing to do with it.

 

And yeah even though I am a Mizzy fan boi I still would agree that the Fg59s beat all of them! They are within the top three sexiest and best designed blades that I have ever seen. Gawd I want to hit them.

:wub: :yes: :wub:

 

From I know about the design, the 32's are supposed to have a more penetrating flight due to the the way the blade was cut,

as opposed to the 33's which in comparison people claimed the ball ballooned on them.

 

The FG 59's are that good huh?

 

I have never hit the 33s and 32s side by side, but I have hit both of them side by side at different times with my mp67s, and from what I can tell they all play about the same. The cut muscle just changes the feel of the 32s and 67s as compared to the 33s. I know the "technical" claim is that the CG will move a little when you cut the muscle and thus this theoretically will change the ball spin and maybe launch angle, but seriously the CG moving by that little amount of 'cut' mass as compared to the total volume of the head is not going to be that significant and so the two different designs will not really change the ball flight and spin characteristics. To move the CG significantly you have to simply make the club like a true CB and really change the total shape of the clubhead which is the case between extreme blade vs extreme CB design. LMAO that baby cavity (i.e. cut muscle) that barely changes the distribution of all the metal will, in turn, barely move the CG. So all other things equal, like loft angle, I really doubt that the 32s change the backspin on the ball such that they will balloon less than the 33s. In my professional opinion and anecdotally observed experience, the cut muscle design was simply a means to make the mp line FEEL more forgiving compared to blades like the 33s without it.

 

As to the Fg59s, I have never hit them. I just want to so bad because their design is just about one of the best that I have ever seen in a blade. Despite never even holding one, let alone hitting one, I can just tell it is a great playing and performing blade. I am one nitpicky engineer when it comes to blade designs, and I can't find one issue with the Fg59s. And I can only say this for a handful of blades. So yeah, they are THAT good in my opinion based on just looking at them.

 

Edit: You got my ninny brain going on that cut on the 32 and how it will lower the ball flight besides the CG moving from it...It also will allow the face to literally bend just a skosh along the cut itself. Basically at impact, both 'halves' of the face on each side of the cut itself will fold (a skosh) the face along it as the two halves temporarily "wrap" around the ball. As a result the face at the upper half of the ball will deloft a little and thus give the ball just a little more penetrating flight than the 33 without the cut. So yes this is another theoretical explanation of how the cut muscle design can give a more penetrating ball flight. I actually buy this theory more than the CG moving around one, but again my gut feel is that both are fine in theory but insignificant in practice. Anyhow, I will stop getting all technical now. PM me if you want to discuss this more.

[dog flog]

Teeny weeny cavity muscle instead of cut muscle. Likewise, the 69 has a hint of a cavity, just a wafer thin hint, if you will, and a tad longer, to me, a friendlier face than its compact brother, the 68. They share the smudged muscle, a cavity wider but no deeper than the dimples of a midget. I really like that look. The soles are not unreasonably knifey and with the right shaft, I figure I could easily build on a game with those hammers but the set I have came with DG S300 and that's too heavy and I'm too cheap to change them. For now. If it doesn't work out with the Clevelands, the full set of 69 blades reshafted with 110 gram Nippons makes good golf sense to me but makes for poor financial planning. Lisa needs braces. I like steak. Anyway, maybe I'll get those Nippons in regular.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

So I spent a couple of hours in the golf shop trying out clubs. Had a good hit of Miura MB5003 (DGX100) irons against MP-4s (Modus 120X), as well as Titleist 716s (DGX100), MP-68s (DGS200), and MP-33s (Modus 120X). The 716s were pretty nice, but priced higher than I was willing to go, so I soon put them back. The MP-68s did not feel as satisfying as the MP-4s, so I counted them out early on. The 33s were like a less refined version of the MP-4s, plus the short irons have a bit too much offset so I counted them out. Actually, it may be an acoustic thing, but the 33s really did feel harsher compared to the MP-4s. Nice, but not quite in harmony.

So the Miuras against the MP-4s. They are so different. Mizzens are solid but soft. I think a good strike with the MP-4s produces a satisfying "thump." The Miuras are surprisingly hard. I almost expect them to be "clicky" because they feel so hard, but they're not. A good strike gives a really satisfying feel, hard and solid. The heads are longer than the MP-4s, or at least the 9i head which I compared was. In the shop the Miuras and MP-4s are priced exactly the same.

 

Anyway, I also found a set of TM RAC forged hidden away. I am not sure if these could be classified as a blade, but what I liked about this set is that it comes with a 2i....and it's under a third the price of the MP4s and Miuras.

[NRJyzr]

I have never hit the 33s and 32s side by side...

 

I've only briefly hit them side by side, and also compared them directly against my MS11s, and found the 32s to hit the ball higher than the 33s. The 33s hit the ball higher than my 11s, which I felt were already going a bit too high for me, so both of them were excused from my list of potential acquisitions. :)

 

So, while the cut muscle may have had the potential to lower flight, they didn't do so. I believe that was addressed with a later set of cut muscle irons? Don't remember the model number, I'm sorry to say...

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I have never hit the 33s and 32s side by side...

 

I've only briefly hit them side by side, and also compared them directly against my MS11s, and found the 32s to hit the ball higher than the 33s. The 33s hit the ball higher than my 11s, which I felt were already going a bit too high for me, so both of them were excused from my list of potential acquisitions. :)

 

So, while the cut muscle may have had the potential to lower flight, they didn't do so. I believe that was addressed with a later set of cut muscle irons? Don't remember the model number, I'm sorry to say...

 

67s? There was also a cut-muscle CB, the MP-57.

[DeNinny]

NCN that solid Miura feel is "it" for me in terms of feel. I have yet to hit a blade from a different manufacturer that feels like it. I attribute it to the quality of their forging process on top of that of their raw material supplier. I always thought of Mizunos like hitting a marshmallow and Miuras like hitting a frozen one or like snapping a young tree branch. Tough to describe both, love both for what they are, but in the end the Miura feel is like golf crack to me. I'm a fiend for it given that I just ho'ed three sets of them, two brand new, in the span of two years.

 

Those TM RACs are not the best feeling "blades" in my experience fiddling around with them in shops hitting them against my mp67s. In my opinion the design is pointless. The muscle across the length of the head was severely modified and effectively broken up into three sections rather than a continuous muscle. That shape just ruins the feel and does nothing for performance. It is like the iBlade in that there is all this appearance of "engineering" a "forgiving" blade but LMAO all the end result is is something that FEELS and looks like a travesty of a blade.

[DeNinny]

I have never hit the 33s and 32s side by side...

 

I've only briefly hit them side by side, and also compared them directly against my MS11s, and found the 32s to hit the ball higher than the 33s. The 33s hit the ball higher than my 11s, which I felt were already going a bit too high for me, so both of them were excused from my list of potential acquisitions. :)

 

So, while the cut muscle may have had the potential to lower flight, they didn't do so. I believe that was addressed with a later set of cut muscle irons? Don't remember the model number, I'm sorry to say...

 

The 67 was the evolution of the 32 and yes it has a different cut location, but I seriously can't find a significant performance difference between the two.

 

As to the 32s increasing the launch angle over the 33s (assuming the same loft angle), those same explanations I gave about the CG moving and the face literally folding along the cut *could* be just the opposite and yes a higher rather than lower launch angle can happen depending on the height of the cut. I'd have to really study and measure and compare all the relative dimensions of the heads to derive all the changes to ball flight and spin they will do. But LOL I'm too lazy and have moved on to Miuras. Loft angle and thickness of the face wall behind the ball at impact are the primary drivers for the ball's launch angle AND backspin, so with miniscule changes like cutting the muscle a wee bit, I tend to view these as proportionally making miniscule changes to the overall ball flight.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

The crack like the snapping of a young tree branch is actually a pretty good description of the Miura feel.

 

As for the RACs, they are a bit tough to properly describe as a muscle back, given that the muscle is sort of split to form two pocket cavities. I thought they were OK, though I was more focussed on the 2i than anything else. Not in the same league as the Miura MB5003s or MP-4s, but probably up there with the MP-33s (though not at all similar).

I'm also quite tempted to go for the MOZ irons (4-PW with Modus 120TX), but I can't test them as they are new so I would be buying blind. I hit a 60* MOZ wedge today, and was pretty impressed. May well end up buying that as well.

There is also a third option of not buying another iron set as I have 5 in play and one set of heads waiting for shafts.