True Temper's new "AMT" Dynamic Gold iron shafts

[ZBigStick]

[quote name='Danny16' timestamp='1438923568' post='12094140'][quote name='poppman2142' timestamp='1438913091' post='12093406']
I heard they will be a Titleist exclusive offering for one year as supposedly Titleist helped develop them. Not sure if true, but just what I heard.
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It's true, I heard it from a rep[/quote]

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.

[MMB1500]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]

I don't mind people getting excited over new equipment - this is WRX after all. However whilst I want to try these, I'm struggling to see what is so revolutionary about them. Aren't they just a slightly different weight to the old DG'S?

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='WolfWRX' timestamp='1438944841' post='12094588']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]

I don't mind people getting excited over new equipment - this is WRX after all. However whilst I want to try these, I'm struggling to see what is so revolutionary about them. Aren't they just a slightly different weight to the old DG'S?
[/quote]Nothing derogative, hell, I even find myself trying to acquire a set of these.

But yes, same profile just lesser weight in the long and mid irons and progressing to the standard weight as it gets into the wedges. Haven't read much more than that.

[wcbjr]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]



Don't tell that to the people in this thread. It's the thread that never ends...


http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1102365-it-just-me-or-are-a-lot-of-pros-switching-to-nippon-iron-shafts/

[KPH808]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]

Completely agree

[Ohiogolfer1]

If I hardstepped a set of s400 in these am I defeating the purpose of the technology

[DuckHook02]

[quote name='Ohiogolfer1' timestamp='1438999091' post='12099042']
If I hardstepped a set of s400 in these am I defeating the purpose of the technology
[/quote]

You would still have the weight progression in the set, it would just be approx. 3g higher in each iron with hardstepping.

[appilags]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558'][quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts. [/quote]

Maybe, but I think it's more significant than you think.
Yes, there have been ascending weight shaft sets produced before, but not with an increment as much as 3 grams and certainly not in the iconic profile that the DG is.
As someone who is a strong proponent of MOI matching, this is very exciting news and I hope we see other marquee shaft brands add similar variants to their product ranges.

[mileslong]

Just got the grips put on my set with X100s. I'll be on the range first thing in the morning to give them a go. I replaced a set of standard X100s with them in my Nike Vapor Pros. Thanks Howeber for sharing a set with me.

[DuckHook02]

[quote name='mileslong' timestamp='1439149408' post='12106014']
Just got the grips put on my set with X100s. I'll be on the range first thing in the morning to give them a go. I replaced a set of standard X100s with them in my Nike Vapor Pros. Thanks Howeber for sharing a set with me.
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Looking forward to hearing your feedback.

[mileslong]

Just got done trying out my set. First thing I did when I got to the course was check the swing weights. All were spot on. The long irons definitely feel lighter. After hitting a bucket of balls, nothing scientific, just hitting balls, I thought they felt a touch firmer than the standard X100. Ball flight was a touch low in the lower irons and a touch higher in the longer irons. I hadn't hit a ball in 4 days so my ball striking wasn't perfect, but thats what I walked away with. I'll get them on the course tomorrow.

[Noodler]

[quote name='appilags' timestamp='1439036267' post='12100272']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558'][quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts. [/quote]

Maybe, but I think it's more significant than you think.
Yes, there have been ascending weight shaft sets produced before, but not with an increment as much as 3 grams and certainly not in the iconic profile that the DG is.
As someone who is a strong proponent of MOI matching, this is very exciting news and I hope we see other marquee shaft brands add similar variants to their product ranges.
[/quote]

I build to MOI/MBI matched specs. Although there have been a few posts in this 16 page thread referencing MOI, I'm surprised that there isn't more excitement in the pro "MOI matching" community. It just so happens that before these shafts even came out, I had worked up a spreadsheet to find the "ideal" head and shaft weight specs to create an MOI and MBI matched iron set build. I found that the ideals are a 3g shaft weight increment and a 5.25g head weight increment. The standard deviation across the set for the MOI is 0.0 and for the MBI it's under 2.5. That's about as matched as it gets.

So if you're an MOI/MBI guy, then you should be excited about the AMT and hope that other manufacturers follow suit - and quickly!

(and for all the posters who keep asking about whether or not the AMT still achieves a swingweight matched set... wake up and smell the coffee )

[campion]

[quote name='Noodler' timestamp='1439265228' post='12114824']
[quote name='appilags' timestamp='1439036267' post='12100272']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558'][quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts. [/quote]

Maybe, but I think it's more significant than you think.
Yes, there have been ascending weight shaft sets produced before, but not with an increment as much as 3 grams and certainly not in the iconic profile that the DG is.
As someone who is a strong proponent of MOI matching, this is very exciting news and I hope we see other marquee shaft brands add similar variants to their product ranges.
[/quote]

I build to MOI/MBI matched specs. Although there have been a few posts in this 16 page thread referencing MOI, I'm surprised that there isn't more excitement in the pro "MOI matching" community. It just so happens that before these shafts even came out, I had worked up a spreadsheet to find the "ideal" head and shaft weight specs to create an MOI and MBI matched iron set build. I found that the ideals are a 3g shaft weight increment and a 5.25g head weight increment. The standard deviation across the set for the MOI is 0.0 and for the MBI it's under 2.5. That's about as matched as it gets.

So if you're an MOI/MBI guy, then you should be excited about the AMT and hope that other manufacturers follow suit - and quickly!

(and for all the posters who keep asking about whether or not the AMT still achieves a swingweight matched set... wake up and smell the coffee )
[/quote]

What is MBI? I'm a huge fan of moi irons and cannot wait for these. I wish true temper would set a release date.

[Noodler]

[quote name='campion' timestamp='1439273441' post='12115074']
What is MBI? I'm a huge fan of moi irons and cannot wait for these. I wish true temper would set a release date.
[/quote]

I don't want to derail this thread, but since you asked here...

MBI = MOI Balance Index. It's an attempt to quantify the differences some people feel even between MOI matched sets that have the same MOI absolute value. So you may have 2 iron sets matched to an MOI of 2725 kg-cm2, but they don't feel/swing alike. This is due to the balance of the weights between components. That is, you could have a 2725 MOI using heavy shafts with light heads and another set built to 2725 using heavy heads with light shafts. MBI provides a method to further match the "feel" of the dynamic heft of the sets so that 2 completely different sets both built to the same MOI AND MBI will in fact have an almost identical "heft feel" when swung.

Search Google and you'll find a wealth of info on the net regarding MBI.

MBI is why the AMT shafts are such important news. Sure we've had ascending weight shafts before, but never as "aggressive" as the AMT. A 3g increment was unheard of previously and it just so happens that a 3g increment is PERFECT for MBI matching (I can share my numbers if anyone really wants to get into the nitty gritty as to how this plays out)! We really need all the manufacturers to sit up and take notice.

[Bdmac79]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]

Exactly.

[appilags]

[quote name='Bdmac79' timestamp='1439328137' post='12119050'][quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1438943832' post='12094558']
[quote name='MikeCzeck' timestamp='1438911643' post='12093266']
I haven't done much research other than reading the article on these but are these shafts really going to make that big of an impact? Reading these comments sounds like these are immediately taking 5 shots off your round.
[/quote]
While this isn't anything revolutionary, I do think peeps are getting all crazy over a new white tour issue sticker (be honest with yourselves) and the credibility they're having on tour is justifying that rationale.

After the dust settles (and settle it will) reality will once again pronounce the fact that they're just iron golf shafts.
[/quote]

Exactly.[/quote]

Maybe not revolutionary, but certainly evolutionary.

[campion]

[quote name='Noodler' timestamp='1439326256' post='12118842']
[quote name='campion' timestamp='1439273441' post='12115074']
What is MBI? I'm a huge fan of moi irons and cannot wait for these. I wish true temper would set a release date.
[/quote]

I don't want to derail this thread, but since you asked here...

MBI = MOI Balance Index. It's an attempt to quantify the differences some people feel even between MOI matched sets that have the same MOI absolute value. So you may have 2 iron sets matched to an MOI of 2725 kg-cm2, but they don't feel/swing alike. This is due to the balance of the weights between components. That is, you could have a 2725 MOI using heavy shafts with light heads and another set built to 2725 using heavy heads with light shafts. MBI provides a method to further match the "feel" of the dynamic heft of the sets so that 2 completely different sets both built to the same MOI AND MBI will in fact have an almost identical "heft feel" when swung.

Search Google and you'll find a wealth of info on the net regarding MBI.

MBI is why the AMT shafts are such important news. Sure we've had ascending weight shafts before, but never as "aggressive" as the AMT. A 3g increment was unheard of previously and it just so happens that a 3g increment is PERFECT for MBI matching (I can share my numbers if anyone really wants to get into the nitty gritty as to how this plays out)! We really need all the manufacturers to sit up and take notice.
[/quote]

Dang.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any better the moi matching. I will check it out thanks for the info.

[ne26]

Noodler, that's what I plan on doing with these shafts. Going to give MOI matching a go with AMT and my 13 X Forged.

[Makuakane_Bear]

Interesting shaft. Maybe I missed it, but would anyone be able to comment on the difference between these and the DG Pro shafts? Thanks in advance.

[nova6868]

1. Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere yet... Will the AMT sets have a separate shaft for 9-iron and wedge?

I feel like modern iron shaft sets should have separate 9i and wedge shafts, since in the "old days" 9i and wedge were often the same length. Hence the same shaft. Now lofts have dropped, and the wedge and gap wedge are often the same length.

2. MOI vs MBI... So other sets like DG Pro and Ping CFS have actually been lighter in the short irons. We were told this was to help achieve MOI balancing in the set. Now lighter in the long irons is actually MBI balancing? Anyone else confused?

[TMBob]

[quote name='Makuakane_Bear' timestamp='1439386878' post='12122860']
Interesting shaft. Maybe I missed it, but would anyone be able to comment on the difference between these and the DG Pro shafts? Thanks in advance.
[/quote]

Pretty sure that there was mention in this thread.....if I remember correctly, DGP are the opposite of these....heavier in the long irons and lighter in the short irons

[firstbatch]

[quote name='Makuakane_Bear' timestamp='1439386878' post='12122860']
Interesting shaft. Maybe I missed it, but would anyone be able to comment on the difference between these and the DG Pro shafts? Thanks in advance.
[/quote]
Chad from TT discussed this earlier this year in the thread. The easiest way to find that info is to do a search from within this thread topic and simply type it in with quoattions......."dg pro" This will give you a nice summary instantly of those discussions on your question.

[Makuakane_Bear]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1439388066' post='12122992'][quote name='Makuakane_Bear' timestamp='1439386878' post='12122860']
Interesting shaft. Maybe I missed it, but would anyone be able to comment on the difference between these and the DG Pro shafts? Thanks in advance.
[/quote]

Pretty sure that there was mention in this thread.....if I remember correctly, DGP are the opposite of these....heavier in the long irons and lighter in the short irons[/quote]

Thanks!

[quote name='firstbatch' timestamp='1439388264' post='12123022'][quote name='Makuakane_Bear' timestamp='1439386878' post='12122860']
Interesting shaft. Maybe I missed it, but would anyone be able to comment on the difference between these and the DG Pro shafts? Thanks in advance.
[/quote]
Chad from TT discussed this earlier this year in the thread. The easiest way to find that info is to do a search from within this thread topic and simply type it in with quoattions......."dg pro" This will give you a nice summary instantly of those discussions on your question.[/quote]
Thank You!

[tbowers2]

[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1439387928' post='12122984']
1. Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere yet... Will the AMT sets have a separate shaft for 9-iron and wedge?

I feel like modern iron shaft sets should have separate 9i and wedge shafts, since in the "old days" 9i and wedge were often the same length. Hence the same shaft. Now lofts have dropped, and the wedge and gap wedge are often the same length.

2. MOI vs MBI... So other sets like DG Pro and Ping CFS have actually been lighter in the short irons. We were told this was to help achieve MOI balancing in the set. Now lighter in the long irons is actually MBI balancing? Anyone else confused?
[/quote]


The only set I've seen in person was S400 AMT 3-PW. The 3 Iron shaft 40" and 1/2" increments all the way down, 9 Iron 37", PW 36.5" (those are all uncut shaft lengths, the lengths are stamped on the butt of each shaft).

[Noodler]

[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1439387928' post='12122984']
2. MOI vs MBI... So other sets like DG Pro and Ping CFS have actually been lighter in the short irons. We were told this was to help achieve MOI balancing in the set. Now lighter in the long irons is actually MBI balancing? Anyone else confused?
[/quote]

Not sure where you got that info that a shaft set that descends in weight (getting lighter in the shorter irons) would be good for MOI matching. It's definitely exactly opposite.

[nova6868]

[quote name='Noodler' timestamp='1439416246' post='12125848']
[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1439387928' post='12122984']
2. MOI vs MBI... So other sets like DG Pro and Ping CFS have actually been lighter in the short irons. We were told this was to help achieve MOI balancing in the set. Now lighter in the long irons is actually MBI balancing? Anyone else confused?
[/quote]

Not sure where you got that info that a shaft set that descends in weight (getting lighter in the shorter irons) would be good for MOI matching. It's definitely exactly opposite.
[/quote]

Thanks, I have been misinformed.

[jylos]

I just got a set of AMT X100 3-PW uncut. Forty inch shaft weighs 113 grams and 36.5 inch shaft weighs 133 grams. That is a little heavier than I expected. I found an interesting thing that the last step in the butt is getting shorter in the longer irons. I don't know the effect of this tweak.

[Noodler]

^^^^^^^ That weight range sounds perfect to me. I bet you're gonna love 'em!

[Carson33]

So what would you put in your wedges to complete the set? S400 TI since you need no further weight changes at your shortly shaft length?