Official Taylormade M1 Driver Thread

[petter7]

[quote name='ph00ny' timestamp='1445144800' post='12471532']
I used 2600 Same thing with 2200
Carry distance changed but total distance stayed the same
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Just fooling around with this optimizer here's the data from the BS, Spin, Launch numbers you mentioned.

168 BS, 2200 Spin, 15 Launch = 326.4 Total Yds. and 295.4 Carry
168 BS, 2200 Spin, 16 Launch = 326.6 Total Yds. and 297.7 Carry

With 2200 spin the one degree change in launch only affected the total distance by .2 yards but the carry distance
changed 2.3 yards.

168 BS, 2600 Spin, 15 Launch = 319.7 Total Yds. and 294.8 Carry
168 BS, 2600 Spin, 16 Launch = 319.7 Total Yds. and 296.2 Carry
168 BS, 1800 Spin, 16 Launch = 334.4 Total Yds. and 296.6 Carry
168 BS, 1800 Spin, 10 Launch = 324.5 Total Yds. and 266.1 Carry

With 2600 spin the total distance didn’t change at all and the carry changed 1.4 yards. But, if you lower the spin to 1800
and keep the launch at 16 the total distance increases by 14.7 yards and the carry distance only increases by .4 yards.If
the launch is lowered to 10 degrees with 1800 spin the total yardage is reduced by 9.9 yards, but the carry is reduced by
30.5 yards. Getting the right combination of low spin and high launch gets the most carry and total distance. Players with
lower swing speeds can get noticeable gains in carry and total distance with the right head, shaft, ball combo...sometimes
those gains can be surprising, especially for those players who can hit the ball consistently on the right spot of the clubface.

[505]

[quote name='kwill' timestamp='1445136015' post='12471152']BTW, I'm not sure SS and ball speed have direct conversions (or direct correlations). Meaning, just because your SS is 100mph, doesn't mean that your ball speed will always be 150mph. I'm sure that it can be higher or lower based on club, AOA, etc., right?
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Of course it [i]can[/i] be lower, and will most certainly always be lower if the ball was not hit pure, but 1.5 smash factor is the highest you'll see from a legal club and ball.

edit - It's possible to "see" a tiny bit higher due to how certain things are measured... and get up to as high as 1.53 with conforming equipment, but anything claiming going beyond that is not possible. If swing speed and ball speed are both measured accurately 1.5 is still the max.

[rgk5]

Using that calculator, a ball speed of 168. launch of 13* and spin rate of 2200 barely gets over 300.

 

If 325 yards is barely over 300, I'll take barely over every time. lol I use this traj optimizer to get quick estimates of carry & total distance based on ball speed, launch and spin.

 

 

Change the ground condition to medium rather than leave it at hard.

[petter7]

[quote name='rgk5' timestamp='1445164303' post='12471852']
Change the ground condition to medium rather than leave it at hard.
[/quote]

True, softer ground conditions produce less total distance. I thought we were considering max carries and total distances.

[BoomerSooner214]

None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???

[dxb]

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???
[/quote]

Yes, my beloved Vapor Pro didn't last beyond one range session with the M1

[BoomerSooner214]

[quote name='dxb' timestamp='1445188404' post='12472858']
[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???
[/quote]

Yes, my beloved Vapor Pro didn't last beyond one range session with the M1
[/quote]

Can you elaborate? What differences did you see? Did you compare same shaft and same loft in Pro as in M1?

[J13]

So far I"ve played the M1 in two rounds and if you hit it high on the face it goes and goes. Overall forgiveness is pretty darn good considering the low spin and it's definately better then the SLDR.

[kwill]

[quote name='505' timestamp='1445151847' post='12471686']
[quote name='kwill' timestamp='1445136015' post='12471152']BTW, I'm not sure SS and ball speed have direct conversions (or direct correlations). Meaning, just because your SS is 100mph, doesn't mean that your ball speed will always be 150mph. I'm sure that it can be higher or lower based on club, AOA, etc., right?
[/quote]

Of course it [i]can[/i] be lower, and will most certainly always be lower if the ball was not hit pure, but 1.5 smash factor is the highest you'll see from a legal club and ball.

edit - It's possible to "see" a tiny bit higher due to how certain things are measured... and get up to as high as 1.53 with conforming equipment, but anything claiming going beyond that is not possible. If swing speed and ball speed are both measured accurately 1.5 is still the max.
[/quote]

Ah ok, got it. So the smash factor actually comes from the SS and ball speed being at a precalculated "max" if I'm understanding it correctly. Good to know and thanks for explaining.

[kwill]

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???
[/quote]

My apologies for the off topic discussion as well.

But, I did get the M1 back out for a second round this weekend and I didn't necessarily see longer drives (I was in mostly the same places on the course as for distance). But, with the cut down on spin, it was much more consistent and my misses (which are usually left) were much less exaggerated and stayed a lot closer to the fairway when moving left. All in all, it's a solid club and I do like the sound (and feel) off the clubface. More forgiving for sure which was evident from a shot I hit off the toe and then tee'd another one up and caught it square. The two shots were only about 20 yds apart.

BTW....BOOMER...SOONER (man that Texas loss hurt)!! Sooner fan right here in the heart of Austin.

[shakey]

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???[/quote]
I play the Vapor Pro and put it against the M1 in the simulator at my store.

Vapor Pro (11.5 N)--Matrix White Tie 60 Stiff
M1 10.5 (std)--Fuji Pro 60 Stiff

The M1 avg roughly 2 mph faster ball speeds and 2-3 yds more avg distance (5 balls with each driver).

The Vapor Pro have the best overall shot at 303 yds vs the M1 at 301 and was much more consistent in ball flight/dispersion.

The M1 is good, but stuck with my Vapor Pro. I like the look and feel better with the Nike.

[petter7]

[quote name='kwill' timestamp='1445195996' post='12473328']
Ah ok, got it. So the smash factor actually comes from the SS and ball speed being at a precalculated "max" if I'm understanding it correctly.
[/quote]

Smash factor is calculated from dividing the ball speed by the clubhead speed. Depending where on the face the ball is contacted SF can go over 1.5 when clubhead speed is sometimes not measured accurately.

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1.
[/quote]

Yeah, we did get a bit off topic, but the M1 gets people talking about LM numbers, especially the pros. That's why I posted Jason Day's and Ryan Palmer's M1 driver Trackman numbers. They are exceptional.
I wish we could see more M1 driver LM data compared to other heads. It's important to understand how these numbers relate to positive gains in carry and total distance and how the M1 directly affects those gains.

[dxb]

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445190041' post='12472940']
[quote name='dxb' timestamp='1445188404' post='12472858']
[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???
[/quote]

Yes, my beloved Vapor Pro didn't last beyond one range session with the M1
[/quote]

Can you elaborate? What differences did you see? Did you compare same shaft and same loft in Pro as in M1?
[/quote]

Different shafts (67g proforce v2 stiff tipped an inch in vapor that I've had in 5 different nike heads since original Covert) versus silver rogue (110) in x. Vapor was set at 10.5 neutral

M1 is longer, Vapor feels and sounds better and I can shape it more, M1 just wants to be hit straight.

Carrying past where vapor rolls to was the clincher, I'm going to swap my 9.5 m1 head for 10.5 (I have the bulge) with my rep as I've got 9.5 one click up already and I don't want to close face anymore but still think I can launch it higher.

Realise the main difference is probably the shaft but not in a position to try the rogue in the vapor, the M1 was given to me, I went blind with shaft choice as hate KK's and Fujis, got it prerelease

(driver ss is around 116 I think, index 0.2)

Excuse speeling and grahmar, on my phone

[petter7]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1445190772' post='12472976']
So far I"ve played the M1 in two rounds and if you hit it high on the face it goes and goes. Overall forgiveness is pretty darn good considering the low spin and it's definately better then the SLDR.
[/quote]

J, have you been able to get LM numbers with the M1 and compared them to the SLDR or your other drivers (Cobra?). Was hoping maybe Rob or Marcus would put up some data about the M1.

[J13]

[quote name='petter7' timestamp='1445198315' post='12473472']
[quote name='J13' timestamp='1445190772' post='12472976']
So far I"ve played the M1 in two rounds and if you hit it high on the face it goes and goes. Overall forgiveness is pretty darn good considering the low spin and it's definately better then the SLDR.
[/quote]

J, have you been able to get LM numbers with the M1 and compared them to the SLDR or your other drivers (Cobra?). Was hoping maybe Rob or Marcus would put up some data about the M1.
[/quote]

I haven't hit it side by with the SLDR but it's the same super low spin setup. I have hit the M1 on a LM a few times and spin is consistently 1800-2100. I did compare it to my G30 which is hotmelted and is lower spin then Retail G30LS. Spin is a good 400-500rpm lower it's crazy. Carry distance is around the same but total distance is significantly longer due to the lower spin. I have been most surprised with mishits. You don't get punished like you did with the SLDR.

[kiddoc]

Here are my son's LM #ers....
TM AB 10.5, Stock Matrix R vs M1 12.0 GD Tour AD MT-6S

SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total Land A

AB 87.6 133.5 1.51 11.6 2510 209.4 240.7 28.0

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2 32.3


Bottom line...get your good jr fitted, but also on a LM.

[Grizpharm]

Curious to see if this is going to be better than the cobra ltd when it comes out. Have to try both I guess

[OspreyCI]

Kiddoc,
Nice yardage increase their for your son. I got much better numbers with the M1 also. Mine gets delivered tomorrow.

[TMBob]

[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445203206' post='12473788']
Here are my son's LM #ers....
TM AB 10.5, Stock Matrix R vs M1 12.0 GD Tour AD MT-6S

SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total Land A

AB 87.6 133.5 1.51 11.6 2510 209.4 240.7 28.0

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2 32.3


Bottom line...get your good jr fitted, but also on a LM.
[/quote]

Interesting numbers....a few questions,

Did you try a different loft other that the 12 degree in the M1? If so, what were those results?
Your boy moved into a Stiff shaft with a SS that GD does not recommend for Stiff.....why the change and why not a SR in that shaft? Seems like a better fit base in GD's suggestions.

[petter7]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1445200152' post='12473566']
I haven't hit it side by with the SLDR but it's the same super low spin setup. I have hit the M1 on a LM a few times and spin is consistently 1800-2100. I did compare it to my G30 which is hotmelted and is lower spin then Retail G30LS. Spin is a good 400-500rpm lower it's crazy. Carry distance is around the same but total distance is significantly longer due to the lower spin. I have been most surprised with mishits. You don't get punished like you did with the SLDR.
[/quote]

Depending on your ball speed, of course, what kind of launch are you trying to achieve with that low spin rate?

[petter7]

[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445203206' post='12473788']
SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2

[/quote]

Thanks for the info kiddoc...nice distance gains. With that BS, launch and spin, 220 carry and 250 total is really good!

[heist4dmb]

[quote name='SoCalTitleist' timestamp='1440211022' post='12186888']
Has it been 6 months already?
[/quote]

Silliness. But then again im sure you will buy up all the 916 stuff, with slots...

[kiddoc]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445208470' post='12474136']
[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445203206' post='12473788']
Here are my son's LM #ers....
TM AB 10.5, Stock Matrix R vs M1 12.0 GD Tour AD MT-6S

SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total Land A

AB 87.6 133.5 1.51 11.6 2510 209.4 240.7 28.0

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2 32.3


Bottom line...get your good jr fitted, but also on a LM.
[/quote]

Interesting numbers....a few questions,

Did you try a different loft other that the 12 degree in the M1? If so, what were those results?
Your boy moved into a Stiff shaft with a SS that GD does not recommend for Stiff.....why the change and why not a SR in that shaft? Seems like a better fit base in GD's suggestions.
[/quote]

Great ?s...He did try the M1 in 10.5...could not get the LA dialed in.....The GD is freq at low end of stif....went through a bunch of shafts for the right one.
Also we have the beginning of puberty....going to gain 5-7 mph and better numbers over the next 3 months:)

[kiddoc]

[quote name='petter7' timestamp='1445209690' post='12474222']
[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445203206' post='12473788']
SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2

[/quote]

Thanks for the info kiddoc...nice distance gains. With that BS, launch and spin, 220 carry and 250 total is really good!
[/quote]

It was fun to watch...I would send the trackman pics, but his personal info is all over it.

[TMBob]

[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445218875' post='12474948']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445208470' post='12474136']
[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1445203206' post='12473788']
Here are my son's LM #ers....
TM AB 10.5, Stock Matrix R vs M1 12.0 GD Tour AD MT-6S

SS Ball SP SF LA Spin Carry Total Land A

AB 87.6 133.5 1.51 11.6 2510 209.4 240.7 28.0

M1 87.4 132.9 1.51 15.7 1990 219.7 250.2 32.3


Bottom line...get your good jr fitted, but also on a LM.
[/quote]

Interesting numbers....a few questions,

Did you try a different loft other that the 12 degree in the M1? If so, what were those results?
Your boy moved into a Stiff shaft with a SS that GD does not recommend for Stiff.....why the change and why not a SR in that shaft? Seems like a better fit base in GD's suggestions.
[/quote]

Great ?s...He did try the M1 in 10.5...could not get the LA dialed in.....The GD is freq at low end of stif....went through a bunch of shafts for the right one.
Also we have the beginning of puberty....going to gain 5-7 mph and better numbers over the next 3 months:)
[/quote]

Figured so on the shaft.....nice to hand pick one.

So I take you that you tried the 10.5 and went up in loft via the FCT with ok results but not what your fitter needed to see. So what were the final settings on the 12 degree? Lower loft my guess and weight back maybe.

[kiddoc]

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You would think so, but this works best on the grass so far...

[mattsam]

Played 18 and had a range setting finally with this club.
The Rogue Black is a nice shaft.
The head is much easier to hit than my 430 SLDR, no surprise. I hit into lots of wind and the ball just pierced right through the wind, I really hit some long balls into the wind that even my SLDR 430 would have struggled with. I lost a few balls WAY right with it, where I normally don't have that miss. I think its the combo of the larger head and the extreem wind we were playing. Need to keep dialing it in. It's a great club.

[TMBob]

[quote name='mattsam' timestamp='1445266533' post='12476910']
Played 18 and had a range setting finally with this club.
The Rogue Black is a nice shaft.
The head is much easier to hit than my 430 SLDR, no surprise. I hit into lots of wind and the ball just pierced right through the wind, I really hit some long balls into the wind that even my SLDR 430 would have struggled with. I lost a few balls WAY right with it, where I normally don't have that miss. I think its the combo of the larger head and the extreem wind we were playing. Need to keep dialing it in. It's a great club.
[/quote]

Way right has been mentioned in this thread before and I personally have seen it too! Post 4,444

[GGMUFrost]

[quote name='dxb' timestamp='1445188404' post='12472858']
[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1445181900' post='12472490']
None of this discussion regarding optimizer numbers and 300 yard drives has anything to do with the M1. Can we get this thread back on track? Anyone compared the M1 to a Vapor Pro???
[/quote]

Yes, my beloved Vapor Pro didn't last beyond one range session with the M1
[/quote]

Same here

[TheKrushh]

Played 72 holes over the weekend and this thing is a rocket launcher. I can also work the ball both ways which I was not able to do with R15. Really happy.