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[Shilgy]

Rest of the world 'support' Muirfield's female ban

 

A BIZARRE Twitter map has shown a large percentage of social media users around the globe have backed Muirfield's controversial ongoing ban for women.

 

 

Red areas – predominantly western Europe and North America – indicate strong opposition to the decision, which has been labelled "indefensible" by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

Greener areas show where the most favourable tweets came from – mainly South and Central America, the Balkans, and parts of Asia, including Japan.

 

 

 

http://www.scotsman....8#ixzz49DcW8b5l

 

Jeeez, look at that map.

 

Looks like a mass synchronisation of some sort.

 

Yep. The overlap with colonization is close to 100%. Fascinating really.

 

This map discriminates against the west coast.

Do you really think California needed to be pictured to know which way they are leaning? :)

[carn9698]

Here's my take on it looking from the outside. The snobby old duffers up there have taken their 1 shot to rail against the modern world. Plus snubbing the R&A they see has a victory.

 

The bottom line though is that they can do what they like within the law at their own club.

 

We all get pushed around in the PC world now, so part of me admires their stand. However I am pretty sure their is underlying snobbery behind it.

 

They probably reckon Muirfield the course will grow in mystique the longer it is off the rota. There are plenty of other great links tracks on the UK to take the show to though.

[tsecor]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

[Shilgy]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

[jmck]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

 

The point is you CAN buy a home there. Have the money, find a house for sale, write the check. Done. You've bought a house.

 

If you were born with a different set of chromosomes, you CAN'T join Muirfield. Sure that's their choice and all, but there it is.

 

The basic lack of understanding of what constitutes discrimination continues full steam ahead.

[heavy_hitter]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

 

 

This isn't discrimination. Doesn't even match the definition of discrimination unless you really begin to twist the meanings.

 

Your perception of this is very dangerous. Once you start taking away the rights of private interest groups you begin giving up every personal and private liberty you have. You are now flirting with free speech and other liberties we have as a people.

[Shilgy]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

 

The point is you CAN buy a home there. Have the money, find a house for sale, write the check. Done. You've bought a house.

 

If you were born with a different set of chromosomes, you CAN'T join Muirfield. Sure that's their choice and all, but there it is.

 

The basic lack of understanding of what constitutes discrimination continues full steam ahead.

I do realize that. The righteous indignation over one clubs choice of membership requirements versus showing the same outrage over all discrimination is what bothers me most.

[Lodestone]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

 

The point is you CAN buy a home there. Have the money, find a house for sale, write the check. Done. You've bought a house.

 

If you were born with a different set of chromosomes, you CAN'T join Muirfield. Sure that's their choice and all, but there it is.

 

The basic lack of understanding of what constitutes discrimination continues full steam ahead.

 

Actually, I think what continues full steam ahead is a lack of understanding the difference between being in support of gender discrimination, and being in support of a private club's right to practice it, if so desired.

 

Very similar to the difference between someone agreeing with your opinion and someone agreeing that you have the right to express it.

[hdr_ric]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

 

 

This isn't discrimination. Doesn't even match the definition of discrimination unless you really begin to twist the meanings.

 

Your perception of this is very dangerous. Once you start taking away the rights of private interest groups you begin giving up every personal and private liberty you have. You are now flirting with free speech and other liberties we have as a people.

 

Don't engage with tsecor. Not worth your time.

 

Here is why

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1312224-could-the-lpga-ever-look-for-equal-pay-with-the-pga-tour/

 

Some free advice, take it or leave it. :)

[hdr_ric]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

 

The point is you CAN buy a home there. Have the money, find a house for sale, write the check. Done. You've bought a house.

 

If you were born with a different set of chromosomes, you CAN'T join Muirfield. Sure that's their choice and all, but there it is.

 

The basic lack of understanding of what constitutes discrimination continues full steam ahead.

 

Actually, I think what continues full steam ahead is a lack of understanding the difference between being in support of gender discrimination, and being in support of a private club's right to practice it, if so desired.

 

Very similar to the difference between someone agreeing with your opinion and someone agreeing that you have the right to express it.

 

Excellent post. I'd like twice if they allowed me to.

[Lodestone]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

[Shilgy]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

[Shilgy]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

 

The point is you CAN buy a home there. Have the money, find a house for sale, write the check. Done. You've bought a house.

 

If you were born with a different set of chromosomes, you CAN'T join Muirfield. Sure that's their choice and all, but there it is.

 

The basic lack of understanding of what constitutes discrimination continues full steam ahead.

And women are welcome to play Muirfield. Every day of the week it appears.

[Lodestone]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

 

Geez, thanks...I was wondering what St. John's Wort had to do with all of this...I feel better, now.

[jmck]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

 

It makes for a much funnier discussion if you read it as Single Jewish Women.

[duffer987]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

 

Geez, thanks...I was wondering what St. John's Wort had to do with all of this...I feel better, now.

 

I will admit to looking it up as well :)

 

Champagne socialist/limousine liberal are some other good ones that may apply to a point, here.

[jay65]

Here's my take on it looking from the outside. The snobby old duffers up there have taken their 1 shot to rail against the modern world. Plus snubbing the R&A they see has a victory.

 

The bottom line though is that they can do what they like within the law at their own club.

 

We all get pushed around in the PC world now, so part of me admires their stand. However I am pretty sure their is underlying snobbery behind it.

 

They probably reckon Muirfield the course will grow in mystique the longer it is off the rota. There are plenty of other great links tracks on the UK to take the show to though.

 

I think you are quite right. Maybe Muirfield is in very real danger of going the same way as Luffness New. Drive past Luffness on the way to Gullane and it's always dead out there, it struggles to attract visitors in the same way as Gullane down the road does, and Muirfield is in danger of the same fate perhaps. But that's their call, if the members, many of which will be dead in 15 years are happy as long as they get their 10 years or so of Golf uninterrupted by the threatening thought of a women members then that's their loss.

 

I've heard and read comments of a report why many thought that accepting women as members was a bad idea included, that it would interfere with their 4somes speed of play! Huh? (Different tee times for women to men maybe?). Another reason given by some moron was that 'it would take a very special lady golfer' to play at the same standard as the Clubs men!! Really? Come on, many of the fossil members can hardly get the ball onto the cut fairway off the tee. And possibly the most laughable reason of all was by one member who stated that many members thought that accepting Lady members would 'interfere with their lunch arrangements'. Presumably what they mean by that, is that they fear that if they accept women that there would be no-one to cook their lunches?? Haha.

 

Having said all of that, as many have said, and in spite of how sad it is, they have that right to decide, whatever their voting criteria is. No matter how retarded their reasons are I suppose. Unfortunately, it does little to endear the game to the younger generation. But then again, why the hell should 200 ol' farts care about such trivial matters.

[jmck]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

 

Geez, thanks...I was wondering what St. John's Wort had to do with all of this...I feel better, now.

 

I will admit to looking it up as well :)

 

Champagne socialist/limousine liberal are some other good ones that may apply to a point, here.

 

You've stereotyped only half of the discussion. Limousine liberal or grumpy old white man/old fart/stick in the mud. Pick your poison I suppose.

[Shilgy]

Here's my take on it looking from the outside. The snobby old duffers up there have taken their 1 shot to rail against the modern world. Plus snubbing the R&A they see has a victory.

 

The bottom line though is that they can do what they like within the law at their own club.

 

We all get pushed around in the PC world now, so part of me admires their stand. However I am pretty sure their is underlying snobbery behind it.

 

They probably reckon Muirfield the course will grow in mystique the longer it is off the rota. There are plenty of other great links tracks on the UK to take the show to though.

 

I think you are quite right. Maybe Muirfield is in very real danger of going the same way as Luffness New. Drive past Luffness on the way to Gullane and it's always dead out there, it struggles to attract visitors in the same way as Gullane down the road does, and Muirfield is in danger of the same fate perhaps. But that's their call, if the members, many of which will be dead in 15 years are happy as long as they get their 10 years or so of Golf uninterrupted by the threatening thought of a women members then that's their loss.

 

I've heard and read comments of a report why many thought that accepting women as members was a bad idea included, that it would interfere with their 4somes speed of play! Huh? (Different tee times for women to men maybe?). Another reason given by some moron was that 'it would take a very special lady golfer' to play at the same standard as the Clubs men!! Really? Come on, many of the fossil members can hardly get the ball onto the cut fairway off the tee. And possibly the most laughable reason of all was by one member who stated that many members thought that accepting Lady members would 'interfere with their lunch arrangements'. Presumably what they mean by that, is that they fear that if they accept women that there would be no-one to cook their lunches?? Haha.

 

Having said all of that, as many have said, and in spite of how sad it is, they have that right to decide, whatever their voting criteria is. No matter how retarded their reasons are I suppose.

Considering women are already welcome to play there I doubt the first few you listed are correct. I hope you can find somewhere that your daughter will feel comfortable to play and enjoy golf.

[wobgon]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

Question for you. Your avatar is Pinehurst. Let's say I travel a lot to the area on business and would like to belong to a club there. Could I join the club you picture? The answer is not unless I also buy a home there. Just does not seem fair.

 

PS Muirfield will be fine whatever they decide.

You guys have got to quit asking this guy questions.......He does not answer as he does not debate, just bloviates.

[duffer987]

and one more thing: what the heck is "SJW", anyway?

I had to look it up as well Social Justice Warrior

 

aka IMBOO imposing my beliefs on others

 

Geez, thanks...I was wondering what St. John's Wort had to do with all of this...I feel better, now.

 

I will admit to looking it up as well :)

 

Champagne socialist/limousine liberal are some other good ones that may apply to a point, here.

 

You've stereotyped only half of the discussion. Limousine liberal or grumpy old white man/old fart/stick in the mud. Pick your poison I suppose.

 

That's why I said 'apply to a point' :)

I was just thinking of other pejorative terms to apply here, I am sure there are loads of others!

 

While not a pejorative term, "storm in a teacup" may be the most applicable one.

[bscinstnct]

This is very straightforward. People can associate with whomever they chose (presuming this "private" scenario). And it is important that they have the right to do so.

 

But it gets tricky when a group is made up of people who are leaders in the business or public/political community. These people often benefit from or owe their position to groups of other people in the greater population. The presumption by many is that real leaders would not associate or be member of an club that discriminates in any way whatsoever.

 

I don't know if this is the case with Muirfields membership, but I think that this is what made Augusta's membership policies indefensible to the great majority eventually.

[wobgon]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

 

 

This isn't discrimination. Doesn't even match the definition of discrimination unless you really begin to twist the meanings.

 

Your perception of this is very dangerous. Once you start taking away the rights of private interest groups you begin giving up every personal and private liberty you have. You are now flirting with free speech and other liberties we have as a people.

 

Don't engage with tsecor. Not worth your time.

 

Here is why

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...h-the-pga-tour/

 

Some free advice, take it or leave it. :)

He or she blocked me......I'm not sure if i will ever get over it

[PepsiDuck]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

 

 

This isn't discrimination. Doesn't even match the definition of discrimination unless you really begin to twist the meanings.

 

Your perception of this is very dangerous. Once you start taking away the rights of private interest groups you begin giving up every personal and private liberty you have. You are now flirting with free speech and other liberties we have as a people.

 

A common misconception, at least in the US, is that constitutional and statutory protection extends to private actors, which it DOES NOT. It only protects against discrimination by the government and certain entities as defined by statute, e.g., companies employing greater than X employees, public facilities run by state or local governments, etc. If I wanted to keep [insert protected class here] from entering my home, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

 

This extends from private individuals to private clubs such as Muirfield.

[jay65]

Here's my take on it looking from the outside. The snobby old duffers up there have taken their 1 shot to rail against the modern world. Plus snubbing the R&A they see has a victory.

 

The bottom line though is that they can do what they like within the law at their own club.

 

We all get pushed around in the PC world now, so part of me admires their stand. However I am pretty sure their is underlying snobbery behind it.

 

They probably reckon Muirfield the course will grow in mystique the longer it is off the rota. There are plenty of other great links tracks on the UK to take the show to though.

 

I think you are quite right. Maybe Muirfield is in very real danger of going the same way as Luffness New. Drive past Luffness on the way to Gullane and it's always dead out there, it struggles to attract visitors in the same way as Gullane down the road does, and Muirfield is in danger of the same fate perhaps. But that's their call, if the members, many of which will be dead in 15 years are happy as long as they get their 10 years or so of Golf uninterrupted by the threatening thought of a women members then that's their loss.

 

I've heard and read comments of a report why many thought that accepting women as members was a bad idea included, that it would interfere with their 4somes speed of play! Huh? (Different tee times for women to men maybe?). Another reason given by some moron was that 'it would take a very special lady golfer' to play at the same standard as the Clubs men!! Really? Come on, many of the fossil members can hardly get the ball onto the cut fairway off the tee. And possibly the most laughable reason of all was by one member who stated that many members thought that accepting Lady members would 'interfere with their lunch arrangements'. Presumably what they mean by that, is that they fear that if they accept women that there would be no-one to cook their lunches?? Haha.

 

Having said all of that, as many have said, and in spite of how sad it is, they have that right to decide, whatever their voting criteria is. No matter how retarded their reasons are I suppose.

Considering women are already welcome to play there I doubt the first few you listed are correct. I hope you can find somewhere that your daughter will feel comfortable to play and enjoy golf.

 

Err, I don't think my daughter could ever be persuaded to pick up a golf club. Not simply because of Muirfields' decision of course. As for the first reason you questioned, I'm only repeating a report that read, but you are quite right it makes no sense to give that reason when women are 'welcome' at certain times, but maybe thats' the point, if they're giving crazy reasons like the interfering with lunch arrangements, I would never be surprised that the first reason was equally true. On that subject though, I also read another statement made by a Scottish Lady Professional called Heather McCrae who reported that the first time she played there, she 'had to sit outside, as she wasn't allowed in' after her game, but 'sat and watched a member go inside with his dog'! These are anecdotal though as you alluded to. But if true, gives some idea to us what type of people are making these decisions. Be it theirs to make or not. Woody Allen could have made a blockbuster out of this lunacy.

[Finbarr Saunders]

How about this for irony? 117 women will be playing at Muirfield this Monday in a mixed event as part of 'Captain's Weekend'!

[heavy_hitter]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

 

 

This isn't discrimination. Doesn't even match the definition of discrimination unless you really begin to twist the meanings.

 

Your perception of this is very dangerous. Once you start taking away the rights of private interest groups you begin giving up every personal and private liberty you have. You are now flirting with free speech and other liberties we have as a people.

 

Don't engage with tsecor. Not worth your time.

 

Here is why

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...h-the-pga-tour/

 

Some free advice, take it or leave it. :)

 

Holy Cow Not too bright.

[joey2aces]

hmmm I wonder if they 'identify' as a man, can they join then???? Wait, that is just here in the United States of Safe Places

 

The PC world is hilarious to me. I want to be a member of Augusta.... now. I can afford it.... what's the difference between the two? Gender???? phooey. Let me stroke the check. There is always a decision to be made as to why someone is allowed to be a member or not.

 

Is Grace Belgravia going to allow male members? The University Women's Club? The Sorority? Cerity??? All of these are on the 'stuffy and stubborn' land of Brits. (yes, I did a quick Google search)

 

Nowadays we are going to have to wait until the newborns identify their gender before we know if it is a boy or a girl.

Kids will be suing their parents over the gender reveal parties if they don't agree with it.

[jay65]

hmmm I wonder if they 'identify' as a man, can they join then???? Wait, that is just here in the United States of Safe Places

 

The PC world is hilarious to me. I want to be a member of Augusta.... now. I can afford it.... what's the difference between the two? Gender???? phooey. Let me stroke the check. There is always a decision to be made as to why someone is allowed to be a member or not.

 

Is Grace Belgravia going to allow male members? The University Women's Club? The Sorority? Cerity??? All of these are on the 'stuffy and stubborn' land of Brits. (yes, I did a quick Google search)

 

Nowadays we are going to have to wait until the newborns identify their gender before we know if it is a boy or a girl.

Kids will be suing their parents over the gender reveal parties if they don't agree with it.

 

You are quite right. Let us know how your application to those organazations, you mention, go?

[duffer987]

Muirfield is going down.......rightfully so.....

 

discrimination is bad in any form.....

 

I'd love to know how you reconcile that POV, with this statement?

 

how about the ladies tees? I may play from there

 

Surely your application of a set of tees being reserved for a specific gender, with the additional implied suggestion in that larger thread that those tees are an easier option, is close-minded, discriminatory, and shows a patriarchal gender bias.