Big, tall, or round golfer's. Get on in here.

[rybo]

I'll take Rory and Adam's setup any day over Charlie's!

[rybo]

Jason Day

 

[iteachgolf]

Adam Scott. Arguably the best swing in golf right now.

 

 

 

Straight upper back, properly set shoulders looks a lot like Rory and nothing like Charlie

 

You're seeing what you wanna see. Upper back isn't close to straight and shoulders are rolled inward. Not like McIlroy at all. And Rory ends up with shoulders rolled in ward and rounded upper back at impact. Adam Scott has drastically changed his setup and became a way better player after rolling shoulders more inward, rounding out his back and lowering his chin.

 

Old Adam Scott on the right vs Palmer. His eyeliner was nearly horizontal. Now compare that to the photo of Scott you posted.

 

[iteachgolf]

Jason Day

 

 

I wouldn't consider this close to ideal and isn't even close to what Adam Scott is doing. Literally not even close

 

[rybo]

Well Adam, Rory and Jason look much better then Charlie. As someone who is 6' 4" I welcome being able to finally have it or at least something close to it.

 

I think if you asked just about anyone, other then you, who has the better setup those three are getting the nod.

[iteachgolf]

Well Adam, Rory and Jason look much better then Charlie. As someone who is 6' 4" I welcome being able to finally have it or at least something close to it.

 

I think if you asked just about anyone, other then you, who has the better setup those three are getting the nod.

 

You mean other than someone who knows what he's talking about and have anatomical and biomechanical reason for my point of view? Someone who's works with players at the highest levels of golf including a good number over 6'2.

 

Again comparing Adam Scott to Day or Rory is a joke. Not even close and Adam Scott got better when he rounded out his shoulders and dropped his chin.

[rybo]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

[rybo]

Adam, Jason and Rory are much more alike then Charlie.

 

And I was comparing Jason to Charlie and Adam to Charlie, not Adam to Jason.

[iteachgolf]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

 

The bigger across the chest and wider the shoulders the MORE rounded the shoulders MUST be. It's nothing like Origami or contortionism, in fact the opposite, it increases the range of motion and increases the likelihood of success.

[iteachgolf]

Adam, Jason and Rory are much more alike then Charlie.

 

And I was comparing Jason to Charlie and Adam to Charlie, not Adam to Jason.

 

Your the one who posted him. I didn't use him as an example. So you're making up an argument I was never apart of. You said Faldo had poor posture and too rounded a back. And I'd say Faldo is about as ideal as it gets from a posture perspective

 

 

THIS is what you said was poor posture

[rybo]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

 

The bigger across the chest and wider the shoulders the MORE rounded the shoulders MUST be. It's nothing like Origami or contortionism, in fact the opposite, it increases the range of motion and increases the likelihood of success.

 

So the naturally occurring fact that as people get bigger like across their chest and wider in the shoulders automatically means they have to roll their shoulders more.

 

It's quite opposite. They are rolling their shoulders more because the club is so short they are compensating to make he club long enough to reach the ball.

[rybo]

How tall are you?

[iteachgolf]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

 

The bigger across the chest and wider the shoulders the MORE rounded the shoulders MUST be. It's nothing like Origami or contortionism, in fact the opposite, it increases the range of motion and increases the likelihood of success.

 

So the naturally occurring fact that as people get bigger like across their chest and wider in the shoulders automatically means they have to roll their shoulders more.

 

It's quite opposite. They are rolling their shoulders more because the club is so short they are compensating to make he club long enough to reach the ball.

 

Has literally zero to do with it. Their shoulders are wider. For their hands to meet in the middle that means there arms will be more across their chest. The shorter the arms the even more across the chest they will need to be to meet in the middle which means the shoulders must be rolled even further inward. Without rolling the shoulders inward it's like swinging with a straight jacket on.

[iteachgolf]

How tall are you?

 

What does that have to do with anything? I have taught a bunch of players who are 6'3-6'7 and even more that are shorter but really wide across the chest. Some of those have lead their tours in ballstriking. I have far more experience and success withgolfers of the build you're discussing than you have had.

[rybo]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

 

The bigger across the chest and wider the shoulders the MORE rounded the shoulders MUST be. It's nothing like Origami or contortionism, in fact the opposite, it increases the range of motion and increases the likelihood of success.

 

So the naturally occurring fact that as people get bigger like across their chest and wider in the shoulders automatically means they have to roll their shoulders more.

 

It's quite opposite. They are rolling their shoulders more because the club is so short they are compensating to make he club long enough to reach the ball.

 

Has literally zero to do with it. Their shoulders are wider. For their hands to meet in the middle that means there arms will be more across their chest. The shorter the arms the even more across the chest they will need to be to meet in the middle which means the shoulders must be rolled even further inward. Without rolling the shoulders inward it's like swinging with a straight jacket on.

 

From 5' 9 to 6' 2"

 

Shoulder width

13.8"

15.1"

 

Chest thickness

9.0"

10.7"

 

Arm length

21.1"

22.5"

 

Ironically hadn't looked at this but this is the most proportional set of data points I've seen so far!

 

 

[rybo]

How tall are you?

 

What does that have to do with anything? I have taught a bunch of players who are 6'3-6'7 and even more that are shorter but really wide across the chest. Some of those have lead their tours in ballstriking. I have far more experience and success withgolfers of the build you're discussing than you have had.

 

It has a lot to do with it. If you are not over 6' 2" you really have no idea how hard it is to hit certain positions with a club that feels like it belongs in the hands of a child. The feeling of contorting your body to address a ball.

 

Interesting since I've played high end junior golf, amateur golf and even played for 7 years at the professional level in the last 34 years. But I have no experience.

[Jacob Mac]

Iteach taught me, I'm 6'5, for quite awhile. He definitely worked on set up quite a bit with me.

 

He definitely pays attention to set up for tall players. I wouldn't discount his viewpoint out of hand.

[rybo]

I can not relate to the issues a short golfer has. I have a very good friend who's pushing 5' 5". He tells me the things he feels are issues and they are so unrelatable that it makes almost impossible to help him.

 

There's a reason why people like Charlie Rymer and Phil Blackmar make the statements they do on the golf channel about this exact topic.

[iteachgolf]

No where have I said a rigid perfectly straight back. I've said straighter or less rounded.

 

It would be nice not to be a contornist just to get into a athletic setup position. I'm big and strong and want to use that to it's full potential. Looking like a piece of origami is not what I consider an ideal starting point

 

The bigger across the chest and wider the shoulders the MORE rounded the shoulders MUST be. It's nothing like Origami or contortionism, in fact the opposite, it increases the range of motion and increases the likelihood of success.

 

So the naturally occurring fact that as people get bigger like across their chest and wider in the shoulders automatically means they have to roll their shoulders more.

 

It's quite opposite. They are rolling their shoulders more because the club is so short they are compensating to make he club long enough to reach the ball.

 

Has literally zero to do with it. Their shoulders are wider. For their hands to meet in the middle that means there arms will be more across their chest. The shorter the arms the even more across the chest they will need to be to meet in the middle which means the shoulders must be rolled even further inward. Without rolling the shoulders inward it's like swinging with a straight jacket on.

 

From 5' 9 to 6' 2"

 

Shoulder width

13.8"

15.1"

 

Chest thickness

9.0"

10.7"

 

Arm length

21.1"

22.5"

 

Ironically hadn't looked at this but this is the most proportional set of data points I've seen so far!

 

And irrelevant. I've taught skinny guys who are 6'7 with short arms, really wide guys with short arms, plenty of short guys with really long arms. Go watch boxing and mma and look at the range of reach between fighters of the same height and weight. It's all over the place. What I said is 100% factual. The more you move to the outliers of height the more variance you will see between those variables due to sample size issues.

[iteachgolf]

How tall are you?

 

What does that have to do with anything? I have taught a bunch of players who are 6'3-6'7 and even more that are shorter but really wide across the chest. Some of those have lead their tours in ballstriking. I have far more experience and success withgolfers of the build you're discussing than you have had.

 

It has a lot to do with it. If you are not over 6' 2" you really have no idea how hard it is to hit certain positions with a club that feels like it belongs in the hands of a child. The feeling of contorting your body to address a ball.

 

Interesting since I've played high end junior golf, amateur golf and even played for 7 years at the professional level in the last 34 years. But I have no experience.

Who said you had no experience? I said I have more experience and success. You have your experience and I've taught over well 100 people your size.

[rybo]

Iteach taught me, I'm 6'5, for quite awhile. He definitely worked on set up quite a bit with me.

 

He definitely pays attention to set up for tall players. I wouldn't discount his viewpoint out of hand.

 

Honest question, do you really feel like you are in your best athletic setup with the wedges? Truly going to pure it every time.

And what length are your wedges?

 

 

[rybo]

Jacob Mac

 

Didn't you contact me a few days ago saying you had never felt comfortable with any fitting you had?

 

I'm on my phone at the moment so can't check

[Hstead]

I will fall under "thick chest" and I know for a fact a straight back and arms on my sides with shoulders back absolutely doesn't work for me and it has nothing to do with the length of the club and everything to do with how my left arm needs to work over my chest. The arms need to be in front of the chest from setup through the the swing.

 

I have been to quite a few instructors that would be considered the "best" and every single one of them understood how the shoulders need to be rounded to get the arms in front of my chest.

 

The best players from the past, hogan, Palmer, Nicklaus, Snead, you name them no matter how tall they were they had rounded shoulders.

[Jacob Mac]

Iteach taught me, I'm 6'5, for quite awhile. He definitely worked on set up quite a bit with me.

 

He definitely pays attention to set up for tall players. I wouldn't discount his viewpoint out of hand.

 

Honest question, do you really feel like you are in your best athletic setup with the wedges? Truly going to pure it every time.

And what length are your wedges?

 

Great question. Anymore, I prefer hitting little knockdown shots with my 8 or 9 rather than swinging with my wedges.

 

But as Dan told me I'm just not talented at all with golf. And he is 100% correct. So I think I prefer knockdown shots bc they are easier to execute. We built an entire game plan around a very simple 9-3 symmetrical swing and playing high percentage shots. Basically trying to limit the amount of trouble I can find off the tee.

 

With that said, when I practice I always gravitate to hybrids and long irons. They are definitely more comfortable for me to swing. But when I last saw Dan, he told me I needed to lengthen my hybrids by an inch or more. So it isn't like he's opposed to longer clubs for tall guys.

 

Ultimately, it doesn't matter how long my irons are, I will never be any good.

 

I have no idea what length my wedges are. But they are 1 inch over standard for the TM tour preferred CBs and 2 degrees flat.

[Jacob Mac]

Jacob Mac

 

Didn't you contact me a few days ago saying you had never felt comfortable with any fitting you had?

 

I'm on my phone at the moment so can't check

 

Yes, I did. But Dan never fit me. And he isn't opposed to longer clubs. He's a bright guy, and worth listening to. Even when he comes off as a little abrasive

[Arafel]

Where'd Awad go? He's a big guy that has taught lots of golfers.

[rybo]

Where'd Awad go? He's a big guy that has taught lots of golfers.

 

He's in time out with a few others

[Arafel]

Where'd Awad go? He's a big guy that has taught lots of golfers.

 

He's in time out with a few others

 

Awad's AWOL?

 

A wonder.....

 

I must have missed it.

[Jacob Mac]

Where'd Awad go? He's a big guy that has taught lots of golfers.

 

He's in time out with a few others

 

Awad's AWOL?

 

A wonder.....

 

I must have missed it.

 

Ya there was a blow up last night over a video awad posted on YouTube of one of his younger students. Things got intense. That kid looks like he can play.

[rybo]

Iteach taught me, I'm 6'5, for quite awhile. He definitely worked on set up quite a bit with me.

 

He definitely pays attention to set up for tall players. I wouldn't discount his viewpoint out of hand.

 

Honest question, do you really feel like you are in your best athletic setup with the wedges? Truly going to pure it every time.

And what length are your wedges?

 

Great question. Anymore, I prefer hitting little knockdown shots with my 8 or 9 rather than swinging with my wedges.

 

But as Dan told me I'm just not talented at all with golf. And he is 100% correct. So I think I prefer knockdown shots bc they are easier to execute. We built an entire game plan around a very simple 9-3 symmetrical swing and playing high percentage shots. Basically trying to limit the amount of trouble I can find off the tee.

 

With that said, when I practice I always gravitate to hybrids and long irons. They are definitely more comfortable for me to swing. But when I last saw Dan, he told me I needed to lengthen my hybrids by an inch or more. So it isn't like he's opposed to longer clubs for tall guys.

 

Ultimately, it doesn't matter how long my irons are, I will never be any good.

 

I have no idea what length my wedges are. But they are 1 inch over standard for the TM tour preferred CBs and 2 degrees flat.

 

at 6' 5" the chance you'd fit into a +1"/2* flat wedge is very close to zero. For your hands to be that low you would either have an arm span of a 7' 5" person or you have to be lowering your shoulders quite a bit to get them there. I suspect you are bending excessively. And your hands are falling towards your thighs. You are doing so not because it's the best fit, rather because you've adapted to a club that is much too short. Get some proper length short irons and wedges and you'll be on your way to practicing and playing better. It's not surprising you gravitate to the longer clubs in the bag when you practice.