Breakthrough Golf Technology (CEO Barney Adams) Stability putter shafts

[ry1808]

I’m trying to understand, but what’s really stuck in my head is that steel shafts are used in irons by the worlds top golfers. These guys swing very fast and hard, certainly much faster speeds than when using a putter. The steel shafts manage to deliver the head accurately, but with a putter head, it’s not stable enough for a simple, and quite slow putter stroke?

I also 100% agree with the poster who said that when you drop money on any piece of equipment to improve your game, your mind wants that piece to work, and if you drop $200 on a putter shaft, you REALLY want it to work and your perception can be influenced, not to mention, who wants to dro 2 bills on a putter shaft and admit it didn’t really change anything.

 

Think of it this way...

 

You have a 20ft putt, the hole is 4.25 inches in diameter with a playable diameter of 3.75 maybe. At that range you have a 1 degree margin for error to miss a putt.

 

Now if you have 150 yards to a green 30 yards wide (with the pin in the middle of the green) you have a 12 degree margin of error to hit the green.

 

 

As you say you don't hit a putt as dynamically as you do with an iron but number don't lie. Of course there is the mental side of golf but I've seen very few bad reviews of the putter. Even if there is no physical improvement in the putter but I hole 2-3 more putts per round then it's money well spent, especially if that improvement is in feel and feedback off the putter face.

[Dr.JP]

I got caught up at work and missed the testing. However I spoke to the guys from Cure putters who were performing the testing. They are supposed to get me the raw data. But essentially this is what they told me.......

 

We did extensive testing with our rx5. Main purpose was to determine if their claim of a 50% reduction in face angle variation combined with our 50% reduction would result in an additive situation and we could not positively say that was the case. There was definitely some improvement in multiple different categories of the data but not a purely additive scenario for face angle range specifically

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More to come, sorry I know it’s not the raw data and pretty vague especially about the improvement. I will get some data with mine and share

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

I’m trying to understand, but what’s really stuck in my head is that steel shafts are used in irons by the worlds top golfers. These guys swing very fast and hard, certainly much faster speeds than when using a putter. The steel shafts manage to deliver the head accurately, but with a putter head, it’s not stable enough for a simple, and quite slow putter stroke?

I also 100% agree with the poster who said that when you drop money on any piece of equipment to improve your game, your mind wants that piece to work, and if you drop $200 on a putter shaft, you REALLY want it to work and your perception can be influenced, not to mention, who wants to dro 2 bills on a putter shaft and admit it didn’t really change anything.

 

Think of it this way...

 

You have a 20ft putt, the hole is 4.25 inches in diameter with a playable diameter of 3.75 maybe. At that range you have a 1 degree margin for error to miss a putt.

 

Now if you have 150 yards to a green 30 yards wide (with the pin in the middle of the green) you have a 12 degree margin of error to hit the green.

 

 

As you say you don't hit a putt as dynamically as you do with an iron but number don't lie. Of course there is the mental side of golf but I've seen very few bad reviews of the putter. Even if there is no physical improvement in the putter but I hole 2-3 more putts per round then it's money well spent, especially if that improvement is in feel and feedback off the putter face.

 

I got caught up at work and missed the testing. However I spoke to the guys from Cure putters who were performing the testing. They are supposed to get me the raw data. But essentially this is what they told me.......

 

We did extensive testing with our rx5. Main purpose was to determine if their claim of a 50% reduction in face angle variation combined with our 50% reduction would result in an additive situation and we could not positively say that was the case. There was definitely some improvement in multiple different categories of the data but not a purely additive scenario for face angle range specifically

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More to come, sorry I know it’s not the raw data and pretty vague especially about the improvement. I will get some data with mine and share

 

This is starting to sound like Taylormade's claims that each driver is 15 yards longer. By now we should be hitting the ball 500 yards based on their math.

 

If you buy this shaft and a Cure putter you might be able to hit it 100% closer to the hole based on raw data. Give me a break. Barney Adams should be ashamed of himself.

[FullOfBrushMan]

This is starting to sound like Taylormade's claims that each driver is 15 yards longer. By now we should be hitting the ball 500 yards based on their math.

 

If you buy this shaft and a Cure putter you might be able to hit it 100% closer to the hole based on raw data. Give me a break. Barney Adams should be ashamed of himself.

Why are you guys freaking out about results?

 

It's just the UST putter shaft from years past ... This isn't even a new idea ...

[herbygolf21]

OK, so my review of the Directed Force putter with the Stability putter shaft is finally in.

 

I had this shaft installed almost exactly a month ago. I was going to post a review rather quickly, but I wanted to make sure my experience was validated by a few rounds of golf.

 

A little disclaimer about this product. The shaft I have is the tour only version which is the same as the retail version with the exception of the steel portion being matte black instead of the typical steel appearance. This shaft is also advertised to reduce unwanted torque, but the Directed Force already does that by incorporating lie angle balancing.

 

My first round of golf with this putter left me feeling like I may have wasted a little bit of money...until I was on the 15th hole and had my first putt of more than 30 feet. I had a 65 footer that I was able to lag up to about 2 inches. I felt a very noticeable improvement in the feel of the putter on a long putt. The next round was a tournament round. I hit the ball decently but putted lights out. I made 8 birdies (and 5 bogies from errant iron shots). I almost posted my review as soon as I got home, but I figured I would wait a little bit.

 

Fast forward to today and my results have been amazing. I have played 12 rounds of golf in the last month on 8 different golf courses. In that time I have made 42 birdies and 2 eagles. Most of this can be attributed to making putts. The stat that those numbers don't show is how many par saves I have also made. I do keep stats on golfshotgps and my putting has certainly improved. Prior to the shaft change I was averaging 1.85 putts per GIR and 1.7 putts per hole. My numbers have changed to 1.71 putts per GIR and 1.64 putts per hole. Perhaps one of the best stats I can give is the fact I have not 3 putted yet since the upgrade, and this includes a 36 hole tournament at Rio Secco last weekend from the tips. If anyone has played there before, they can attest to that stat and how impressive it is. Those greens are quite large and have a lot of slope.

 

Overall, I can say that before the upgrade the Directed Force was the best putter I have ever used. I have had it in the bag for over 3 years. Now with the upgrade and the improvement in feel and distance control I can say with absolute certainty that the shaft was worth the money for me. The Directed Force is definitely going to be making some waves this next year on the pro tours. I will update this post with photos tonight.

[FullOfBrushMan]

OK, so my review of the Directed Force putter with the Stability putter shaft is finally in.

 

I had this shaft installed almost exactly a month ago. I was going to post a review rather quickly, but I wanted to make sure my experience was validated by a few rounds of golf.

 

A little disclaimer about this product. The shaft I have is the tour only version which is the same as the retail version with the exception of the steel portion being matte black instead of the typical steel appearance. This shaft is also advertised to reduce unwanted torque, but the Directed Force already does that by incorporating lie angle balancing.

 

My first round of golf with this putter left me feeling like I may have wasted a little bit of money...until I was on the 15th hole and had my first putt of more than 30 feet. I had a 65 footer that I was able to lag up to about 2 inches. I felt a very noticeable improvement in the feel of the putter on a long putt. The next round was a tournament round. I hit the ball decently but putted lights out. I made 8 birdies (and 5 bogies from errant iron shots). I almost posted my review as soon as I got home, but I figured I would wait a little bit.

 

Fast forward to today and my results have been amazing. I have played 12 rounds of golf in the last month on 8 different golf courses. In that time I have made 42 birdies and 2 eagles. Most of this can be attributed to making putts. The stat that those numbers don't show is how many par saves I have also made. I do keep stats on golfshotgps and my putting has certainly improved. Prior to the shaft change I was averaging 1.85 putts per GIR and 1.7 putts per hole. My numbers have changed to 1.71 putts per GIR and 1.64 putts per hole. Perhaps one of the best stats I can give is the fact I have not 3 putted yet since the upgrade, and this includes a 36 hole tournament at Rio Secco last weekend from the tips. If anyone has played there before, they can attest to that stat and how impressive it is. Those greens are quite large and have a lot of slope.

 

Overall, I can say that before the upgrade the Directed Force was the best putter I have ever used. I have had it in the bag for over 3 years. Now with the upgrade and the improvement in feel and distance control I can say with absolute certainty that the shaft was worth the money for me. The Directed Force is definitely going to be making some waves this next year on the pro tours. I will update this post with photos tonight.

1.64 putts per hole equates to 29.52 round which is currently 167th on the PGA Tour.

 

My guess is you were already good to begin with and the "better feel" lead you to being more comfortable over the ball which puts on a better stroke which provides more confidence ... more putts made ... yada yada. Seems like the honeymoon effect tbh. Would be interested to see what your numbers would look like in 2 months.

 

I still think this product is a new take on the old UST shaft which didn't change the world either.

[FairwayFred]

I've been using th BGT shaft in my putter all summer. I can honestly say I believe it makes a noticeable difference and I don't see myself switching away from it. I notice a difference especially on mishits I tend to miss off the toe and keep the face a little open and I notice that the ball find the hole more often on those type of strokes especially. I don't keep stats but I guarantee my putting is better than it was before the switch. I have had a terrible summer striking the ball after a car accident and my handicap hasn't gone up nearly as much as it should have because I've been putting so well.

 

I can totally understand how it could be easily dismissed but IMO it's a definite improvement over a traditional putter shaft that will save you strokes in the long run.

[FullOfBrushMan]

I want to believe the tech is there but this borders on shaft pureing and TaylorMade's old marketing. More puttier?

[Z1ggy16]

I want to believe the tech is there but this borders on shaft pureing and TaylorMade's old marketing. More puttier?

Ian from TXG stated he was going to do a review on the shaft using QUINTEC. Nobody will be able to argue hard data, one way or the other....hopefully he follows through.

[Dr.JP]

I want to believe the tech is there but this borders on shaft pureing and TaylorMade's old marketing. More puttier?

Ian from TXG stated he was going to do a review on the shaft using QUINTEC. Nobody will be able to argue hard data, one way or the other....hopefully he follows through.

 

This is the system the boys from Cure used. Waiting for the data.

[FullOfBrushMan]

I want to believe the tech is there but this borders on shaft pureing and TaylorMade's old marketing. More puttier?

Ian from TXG stated he was going to do a review on the shaft using QUINTEC. Nobody will be able to argue hard data, one way or the other....hopefully he follows through.

 

This is the system the boys from Cure used. Waiting for the data.

Would love to see that data and TXG's synopsis.

[BewareTheGlowball]

OK, so my review of the Directed Force putter with the Stability putter shaft is finally in.

 

I had this shaft installed almost exactly a month ago. I was going to post a review rather quickly, but I wanted to make sure my experience was validated by a few rounds of golf.

 

A little disclaimer about this product. The shaft I have is the tour only version which is the same as the retail version with the exception of the steel portion being matte black instead of the typical steel appearance. This shaft is also advertised to reduce unwanted torque, but the Directed Force already does that by incorporating lie angle balancing.

 

My first round of golf with this putter left me feeling like I may have wasted a little bit of money...until I was on the 15th hole and had my first putt of more than 30 feet. I had a 65 footer that I was able to lag up to about 2 inches. I felt a very noticeable improvement in the feel of the putter on a long putt. The next round was a tournament round. I hit the ball decently but putted lights out. I made 8 birdies (and 5 bogies from errant iron shots). I almost posted my review as soon as I got home, but I figured I would wait a little bit.

 

Fast forward to today and my results have been amazing. I have played 12 rounds of golf in the last month on 8 different golf courses. In that time I have made 42 birdies and 2 eagles. Most of this can be attributed to making putts. The stat that those numbers don't show is how many par saves I have also made. I do keep stats on golfshotgps and my putting has certainly improved. Prior to the shaft change I was averaging 1.85 putts per GIR and 1.7 putts per hole. My numbers have changed to 1.71 putts per GIR and 1.64 putts per hole. Perhaps one of the best stats I can give is the fact I have not 3 putted yet since the upgrade, and this includes a 36 hole tournament at Rio Secco last weekend from the tips. If anyone has played there before, they can attest to that stat and how impressive it is. Those greens are quite large and have a lot of slope.

 

Overall, I can say that before the upgrade the Directed Force was the best putter I have ever used. I have had it in the bag for over 3 years. Now with the upgrade and the improvement in feel and distance control I can say with absolute certainty that the shaft was worth the money for me. The Directed Force is definitely going to be making some waves this next year on the pro tours. I will update this post with photos tonight.

1.64 putts per hole equates to 29.52 round which is currently 167th on the PGA Tour.

 

My guess is you were already good to begin with and the "better feel" lead you to being more comfortable over the ball which puts on a better stroke which provides more confidence ... more putts made ... yada yada. Seems like the honeymoon effect tbh. Would be interested to see what your numbers would look like in 2 months.

 

I still think this product is a new take on the old UST shaft which didn't change the world either.

 

UST shaft was a frequency filter that just changed the feel, it didn't actually stabilize the strike .. but yes they have graphite incorporated with steel .. so to the un-informed they do seem similar.

[Kaexo]

If this shaft had any merit to performance then DeChambeu would have it in the bag...

[Kaexo]

Sergio has it in the bag this week and it still hasn't improved his putting yet.

[Z1ggy16]

While it's true S.G. isn't a great putter, his average putts per round is 29.4. What would be tangible evidence for you showing that he's improved? At that few of putts, taking just 1 stroke off average would probably considered a large improvement. It's not like he's trying to go from 36PPR to 29. It's more like 29 to 27.5 or 28.

 

TLDR; you probably aren't going to be able to tell if it's improving his game or not by just watching a few holes. Take a look at the end of this season to see if his 3 putt avoidance goes down...Putts per round... or most importantly his SG18 stat having gone up.

[chadillac65]

? betting that data comes back in favor of a better shaft

[chadillac65]

Dylan Meyer knows what’s up. Here comes the wave ?

[Morry]

I want to believe the tech is there but this borders on shaft pureing and TaylorMade's old marketing. More puttier?

Ian from TXG stated he was going to do a review on the shaft using QUINTEC. Nobody will be able to argue hard data, one way or the other....hopefully he follows through.

 

This is the system the boys from Cure used. Waiting for the data.

Would love to see that data and TXG's synopsis.

Shocked we haven't seen Quintec or other data yet to be honest

Very interested in this shaft and some solid data

Please share when available

appreciated

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

Sergio has it in the bag this week and it still hasn't improved his putting yet.

 

I've been watching him in the featured group on PGA Tour Live. Daniel Berger also has it in the bag.

[Duffer222]

Dylan Meyer knows what’s up. Here comes the wave ?

 

Oh yeah. It’s a real tsunami! Look out now.

[jokerusn]

Sergio has it in the bag this week and it still hasn't improved his putting yet.

 

I've been watching him in the featured group on PGA Tour Live. Daniel Berger also has it in the bag.

 

Sergio's shaft isn't this one. The carbon isn't fat and doesn't drop in thickness to the steel and there's no coupling. This is something else.

Edit: pic from WGC Bridgestone

[FullOfBrushMan]

Sergio has it in the bag this week and it still hasn't improved his putting yet.

 

I've been watching him in the featured group on PGA Tour Live. Daniel Berger also has it in the bag.

 

Sergio's shaft isn't this one. The carbon isn't fat and doesn't drop in thickness to the steel and there's no coupling. This is something else.

Edit: pic from WGC Bridgestone

That's Odysseys take on it. That has been known for a while.

 

Once again. Show me data from multiple sources otherwise this is just a "fake news".

[jokerusn]

Sergio has it in the bag this week and it still hasn't improved his putting yet.

 

I've been watching him in the featured group on PGA Tour Live. Daniel Berger also has it in the bag.

 

Sergio's shaft isn't this one. The carbon isn't fat and doesn't drop in thickness to the steel and there's no coupling. This is something else.

Edit: pic from WGC Bridgestone

That's Odysseys take on it. That has been known for a while.

 

I know. That's the point. It's not THIS shaft by Barney Adams.

[Duffer222]

Odyssey’s is probably even better!!

[FullOfBrushMan]

Odyssey’s is probably even better!!

Said nobody ever.

[Duffer222]

Odyssey’s is probably even better!!

Said nobody ever.

There’s just as much data proving it.

[Morry]

What is this shaft from Odyssey?

 

is it available now to public?

[FullOfBrushMan]

Odyssey’s is probably even better!!

Said nobody ever.

There’s just as much data proving it. ��

I have found more often than not that a lot of golf "data" is cherry picked to push a marketing narrative to sell their latest and greatest product.

 

I like the idea behind the shaft but

? Technically that would have the greatest reduction of "twisting" and it would save you $200 ... Just saying ...

[NWS Alpine]

If this shaft had any merit to performance then DeChambeu would have it in the bag...

 

He is using a shaft that accomplishes the same thing though. Extremely stiff to eliminate any torque on off center hits.

[dan360]

I don't see how a putter shaft can make a difference. It's not like you hit a putt with any force.

 

You have apparently never played at a Bandon course....