Breakthrough Golf Technology (CEO Barney Adams) Stability putter shafts

[Bar_Stroll]

New driver shaft, no discernible difference from any other in recent history but 4 marketing terms by the manufacturer and thousands drop $350 a pop without question.

 

New and dramatically different from the norm putter shaft and golfers flock to drag it through the mud for its outrageous $200 price tag (presumably because they cant come on wrx and claim 330 yd drives).

 

People talk about liking the feel of driver shaft over another constantly without contest but someone says the same about a putter and it’s discounted completely because the scientific data hasn’t been peer reviewed yet. I’m not saying don’t be skeptical or don’t try it for yourself but some people on this thread are grasping at any thread they can to convince people a product they never tried is worthless. Kinda pathetic.

[A.G. Pennypacker]

New driver shaft, no discernible difference from any other in recent history but 4 marketing terms by the manufacturer and thousands drop $350 a pop without question.

 

New and dramatically different from the norm putter shaft and golfers flock to drag it through the mud for its outrageous $200 price tag (presumably because they cant come on wrx and claim 330 yd drives).

 

People talk about liking the feel of driver shaft over another constantly without contest but someone says the same about a putter and it's discounted completely because the scientific data hasn't been peer reviewed yet. I'm not saying don't be skeptical or don't try it for yourself but some people on this thread are grasping at any thread they can to convince people a product they never tried is worthless. Kinda pathetic.

 

Welcome to the internet.

[SubaruWRX]

New driver shaft, no discernible difference from any other in recent history but 4 marketing terms by the manufacturer and thousands drop $350 a pop without question.

 

New and dramatically different from the norm putter shaft and golfers flock to drag it through the mud for its outrageous $200 price tag (presumably because they cant come on wrx and claim 330 yd drives).

 

People talk about liking the feel of driver shaft over another constantly without contest but someone says the same about a putter and it’s discounted completely because the scientific data hasn’t been peer reviewed yet. I’m not saying don’t be skeptical or don’t try it for yourself but some people on this thread are grasping at any thread they can to convince people a product they never tried is worthless. Kinda pathetic.

BGT needs to form a partnership with Scotty Cameron to get this released as a stock shaft on a run of a special SC edition putters.

 

Instant acceptance and validation!

[Pigems]

New driver shaft, no discernible difference from any other in recent history but 4 marketing terms by the manufacturer and thousands drop $350 a pop without question.

 

New and dramatically different from the norm putter shaft and golfers flock to drag it through the mud for its outrageous $200 price tag (presumably because they cant come on wrx and claim 330 yd drives).

 

People talk about liking the feel of driver shaft over another constantly without contest but someone says the same about a putter and it’s discounted completely because the scientific data hasn’t been peer reviewed yet. I’m not saying don’t be skeptical or don’t try it for yourself but some people on this thread are grasping at any thread they can to convince people a product they never tried is worthless. Kinda pathetic.

 

The claim made about this shaft was better results, less deflection of the putter head vs a normal shaft, not that it felt better. Claims like that require data to be proven. If it was just a feel thing I don’t think you would have seen nearly as many people doubting it. Feel is subjective, less deflection of the head isn’t.

[Pigems]

I forgot about this video until today, I posted it in the other thread about this shaft. If you can do this with a putter I don’t see how any putt you’re ever going to hit is gonna deflect the shaft to any noticeable amount. Howard Jones said in the other thread that putter shafts are basically equal to DG Tour X7 iron shafts, you’re not flexing that with a putt.

 

[Bar_Stroll]

The shaft in my spider tour isn't within 5 flexes of an X7. Just wobble the head a little bit about 6" with that heavy head and it's a noodle. It will certainly be more beneficial for higher MOI heads.

[Pigems]

The shaft in my spider tour isn't within 5 flexes of an X7. Just wobble the head a little bit about 6" with that heavy head and it's a noodle. It will certainly be more beneficial for higher MOI heads.

 

If it has a double bend shaft they will just cut your shaft off where it straightens out and attach this shaft to it from there, so the bottom portion will will be just as wobbly as before plus it now has a joint in the shaft.

[Findog88]

The shaft in my spider tour isn't within 5 flexes of an X7. Just wobble the head a little bit about 6" with that heavy head and it's a noodle. It will certainly be more beneficial for higher MOI heads.

 

If it has a double bend shaft they will just cut your shaft off where it straightens out and attach this shaft to it from there, so the bottom portion will will be just as wobbly as before plus it now has a joint in the shaft.

 

What? You're saying a 6" portion of the shaft will have the same flex as a 34 or 35" shaft?

[Bar_Stroll]

The shaft in my spider tour isn't within 5 flexes of an X7. Just wobble the head a little bit about 6" with that heavy head and it's a noodle. It will certainly be more beneficial for higher MOI heads.

 

If it has a double bend shaft they will just cut your shaft off where it straightens out and attach this shaft to it from there, so the bottom portion will will be just as wobbly as before plus it now has a joint in the shaft.

 

What? You're saying a 6" portion of the shaft will have the same flex as a 34 or 35" shaft?

 

Lol, exactly. But I’m done with the silliness. And also, I meant wobble the head back and forth 6” and it flexes. They cut your shaft 8.25” from the head for the stability shaft and insert about 2”.

[YoureStillAway1]

Recently had one of these shafts installed on a Spided Tour. Big difference in consistency from 10-15 feet. But not a noticeable difference in the 5 feet and in range. Really impressed with the tech. Tons of stability. Don’t really worry about twisting at impact. So far, so good.

[Findog88]

I don’t care if it is placebo or not, I’m putting better than I have in a long long time. Maybe the best I have ever putted. There is no doubt in my mind that more putts are starting on line than they used to. This was the best $200 I have spent on something golf related in a long time.

[SwingMan]

I've got 4 mallets and the DF has the BTG Technologies Putter Shaft - off course testing shows the custom DF is slightly more accurate than the custom Edel E-1 and the others in my putter harem. But the DF is more stable. Nice roll.

[n_rones]

Anyone have any idea how long the turn around time is with these? I'm shipping my putter off to them today to get it installed.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Sold a quite a few and all client's are liking the performance, noticing center hit is more the norm and more lines are being hit with better speed. Enough of them noticed it that I put one in my gamer and really like it. Just way more solid and controls the stroke more constantly, allowing me to put all my concentration into speed only, trusting my lines more.

[chadillac65]

It’s just better. All I can say

[kyle75]

Anyone have any idea how long the turn around time is with these? I'm shipping my putter off to them today to get it installed.

I think it is around 5 days

[TBD203]

Guess I have to do this over the winter...

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

I'm not opposed to this product I just can't imagine it having any benefit other than a placebo effect.

[n_rones]

Whelp shipped it to them and checked the tracking my putter arrived there today at noon and it’s already in a box on its way back to me the shipping notification says I’ll have it Tuesday. Amazing turn around time can’t wait to try this thing out

[chadillac65]

Guess I have to do this over the winter...

 

Call Mike at Jesse James golf he quick

[RedWings1]

sixtysevensixtyseven, I understand the skepticism.

 

I've spent roughly 10 hours testing with my 1st putter with the Stability shaft. My Toulon performs better than before. (Asterisks here, I have not plotted out every putt on data sheet creating a matrix and graph). I've seen enough beneficial difference that I've had the Stability Shaft installed on my Bettinardi. The distance putts end up on 20+ footers is closer then before. I've also noticed the putts start out and stay on the intended line better then before. I also feel the difference, the shaft is much stiffer than before.

I'll also gladly accept a placebo effect because my GHIN is going back down and skins are being won!

 

Try this for a non scientific analogy before concrete evidence:

Your wife comes out of the bathroom and says I've dropped ten lbs. You look at her, say nice job give her a hug and squeeze. You notice the difference and BOTH of you are happy. You're married so You've PAID for that ($200 Shaft) in one way or another. OR are you gonna tell her you don't believe her and to jump on the scale before you go for the hug and say you're just giving our relationship a placebo?

 

At the least its money spent in a different area than $350+ on a sixth driver shaft looking for the extra 3 yards off the tee.

P.s. I have 3 driver shafts so I'm pointing at myself also.

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

sixtysevensixtyseven, I understand the skepticism.

 

I've spent roughly 10 hours testing with my 1st putter with the Stability shaft. My Toulon performs better than before. (Asterisks here, I have not plotted out every putt on data sheet creating a matrix and graph). I've seen enough beneficial difference that I've had the Stability Shaft installed on my Bettinardi. The distance putts end up on 20+ footers is closer then before. I've also noticed the putts start out and stay on the intended line better then before. I also feel the difference, the shaft is much stiffer than before.

I'll also gladly accept a placebo effect because my GHIN is going back down and skins are being won!

 

Try this for a non scientific analogy before concrete evidence:

Your wife comes out of the bathroom and says I've dropped ten lbs. You look at her, say nice job give her a hug and squeeze. You notice the difference and BOTH of you are happy. You're married so You've PAID for that ($200 Shaft) in one way or another. OR are you gonna tell her you don't believe her and to jump on the scale before you go for the hug and say you're just giving our relationship a placebo?

 

At the least its money spent in a different area than $350+ on a sixth driver shaft looking for the extra 3 yards off the tee.

P.s. I have 3 driver shafts so I'm pointing at myself also.

 

How much did you practice before you changed to this? It sounds like you're spending an awful lot of time and attention on your putting now. Could that have anything to do with it?

 

I throw my gamer in the basement every once in a while to teach it a lesson but do you think that has any effect on the actual club? Of course not. I like to look at something new once in a while and eventually the honeymoon wears off and I go back to my gamer.

 

It my be different for you but I'm amazed at how a lot of people are talking about how they're spending more time plotting their putts, focusing on their results and working on their stroke with their new putter shaft and then when they see an improvement they don't even think that it could have been the extra time and attention they've given their putting.

 

I'm not against the technology at all and if I could sell myself on the idea of this having an impact on my putting, everything else being equal, I would have no problem shelling out twice that much for it.

 

To me this seems like snake oil. One of the easiest portions of the golf buying population to exploit is people who putt poorly because they'll do and believe just about anything as long as you tell them it'll help their putting.

 

I'm glad that it works for you but I just don't buy that the torque of a putter shaft comes into play that much. It would be really easy to test with a pendulum. Take two identical putters, one with one of these shafts and one with a good old True Temper and start hitting 20 footers off the toe. My guess is there is a reason they didn't do that test...

[ry1808]

I'm about 2 months into having a Breakthrough Shaft in my putter.

 

Have a I seen an improvement in my putting, it's hard to say. One thing I have seen for certain is a different feel from my putter. It is hard to explain but my putter certainly feels 'more stable' through the putting stroke. Shorter putts have become more confident and anything inside 6 feet is point and shoot at the moment (depending on me reading them right!).

 

I still have issues with distance control but that is purely down to practice and preparation.

 

I do think this shaft will benefit the better player as you get better feedback through the putter and a better feel for what the face is doing at impact. You'll still make bad strokes! I liken it to going from a cavity back to a blade, you still need to swing the club well but the response is great.

[RedWings1]

6767,

 

Short answer is Yes. I’ve spent a ton of time this year on putting unfortunately, it’s not that simple.

I’ve also done the same as you scolding my gamer from time to time.

 

The last four years have been very frustrating for me. I don’t get to play as often as I used to the past three years. My sons Lacrosse schedule is all year round and 6 days a week during spring & summer until Aug. Add in work and the rest of the family stuff leaves almost zero time for golf. 2 years ago, I slightly tore both rotators. While rehabbing those I tore my right elbow tendon and then four months after that my left one tore. Fast forward to mid-July this year I was finally healthy and extremely eager to get playing again. I used to be an alright player, but I lost my putting.

 

Since mid-July I practice almost every day during lunch or at home when I get a chance. 90% of my practice this year has been on short game. The unbalanced amount is primarily due to the injuries. I need to limit how many balls hit. But the larger picture is that I stink now, and my GHIN has gone up bouncing between 5 & 6 with a lot of bad scores while trying to play injured.

 

Deeper analysis is that tee to green I’m a +2 and I’ve been a 10 Handi putting. That combo is hard on the brain!

 

This summer/fall putting has cost me a ton of skins and an average of 4/6 strokes a round. I know most of it is in my head with over analysis vs just rolling the ball to the hole but in my search to cure my putting issues I gave the Stability shaft a try at Club Champion and liked what I felt and saw. So, I had my Toulon LI fitted. I wouldn’t have done it had I not seen & felt the difference right away.

 

I’ve spent the last 2.5 months testing vs a standard Toulon LI like you suggested. In my previous post I haven’t documented the testing on a data sheet, but I can see the differences and feel enough to go ahead and have my Bettinardi Kurchar model 1 fitted with the Stability shaft also. I’ve noticed the difference with that putter vs how I putted with it before. Now you might be a great putter and think this investment is not for you and want to invest in another area which could also be considered a pipe dream / snake oil. That's cool I get it. If this investment comes up a dud in the next year I’ll say so.

 

But right now, my putting has been better this fall. If the Stability shaft helps the six inches between my ears also – great! That’s a Bonus

 

I think this has been a real good discussion with points for and some against. I really hope you get a chance to try I out!

[ry1808]

The more I think about this shaft the more I lean towards this conclusion:

 

The stability shaft will only really benefit the better putters. If you have a bad stoke, can't read a green or are a bad judge of pace then this shaft isn't going to make you hole any more putts, simple.

 

Where it benefits the better putter are their misses. They may have the slightest of twists on a small number of putts and this is where it helps. You need to have the fundamentals right in the first place.

 

I'm not the worlds greatest putter but I can definitely feel the difference with this shaft and can tell that when I put a good stroke on the putt the ball just rolls better and certainly has a better look at the hole on a more regular basis.

[ry1808]

I'm glad that it works for you but I just don't buy that the torque of a putter shaft comes into play that much. It would be really easy to test with a pendulum. Take two identical putters, one with one of these shafts and one with a good old True Temper and start hitting 20 footers off the toe. My guess is there is a reason they didn't do that test...

 

The shaft is not designed to help when you hit the ball 'out of the toe'. If you're doing that you need more help than just a shaft. What is more relevant to my mind is 5mm out of the toe, how does that effect the putt. Also I image the shaft has a bigger impact on players with a pronounced arc in the putting stroke. It'd be interesting to see the data from slightly out of sync rotation, again I think that is a scenario where you'll see a difference with this shaft.

[SwingMan]

sixtysevensixtyseven, I understand the skepticism.

 

I've spent roughly 10 hours testing with my 1st putter with the Stability shaft. My Toulon performs better than before. (Asterisks here, I have not plotted out every putt on data sheet creating a matrix and graph). I've seen enough beneficial difference that I've had the Stability Shaft installed on my Bettinardi. The distance putts end up on 20+ footers is closer then before. I've also noticed the putts start out and stay on the intended line better then before. I also feel the difference, the shaft is much stiffer than before.

I'll also gladly accept a placebo effect because my GHIN is going back down and skins are being won!

 

Try this for a non scientific analogy before concrete evidence:

Your wife comes out of the bathroom and says I've dropped ten lbs. You look at her, say nice job give her a hug and squeeze. You notice the difference and BOTH of you are happy. You're married so You've PAID for that ($200 Shaft) in one way or another. OR are you gonna tell her you don't believe her and to jump on the scale before you go for the hug and say you're just giving our relationship a placebo?

 

At the least its money spent in a different area than $350+ on a sixth driver shaft looking for the extra 3 yards off the tee.

P.s. I have 3 driver shafts so I'm pointing at myself also.

 

How much did you practice before you changed to this? It sounds like you're spending an awful lot of time and attention on your putting now. Could that have anything to do with it?

 

I throw my gamer in the basement every once in a while to teach it a lesson but do you think that has any effect on the actual club? Of course not. I like to look at something new once in a while and eventually the honeymoon wears off and I go back to my gamer.

 

It my be different for you but I'm amazed at how a lot of people are talking about how they're spending more time plotting their putts, focusing on their results and working on their stroke with their new putter shaft and then when they see an improvement they don't even think that it could have been the extra time and attention they've given their putting.

 

I'm not against the technology at all and if I could sell myself on the idea of this having an impact on my putting, everything else being equal, I would have no problem shelling out twice that much for it.

 

To me this seems like snake oil. One of the easiest portions of the golf buying population to exploit is people who putt poorly because they'll do and believe just about anything as long as you tell them it'll help their putting.

 

I'm glad that it works for you but I just don't buy that the torque of a putter shaft comes into play that much. It would be really easy to test with a pendulum. Take two identical putters, one with one of these shafts and one with a good old True Temper and start hitting 20 footers off the toe. My guess is there is a reason they didn't do that test...

 

Because anyone who spends $200 on a putter shaft is not hitting it off the toe. They actually know how to putt.

[SwingBlues]

Because anyone who spends $200 on a putter shaft is not hitting it off the toe. They actually know how to putt.

 

Erh, it's called Toe putting. There's also heel putting as well, different techniques. Horses, for courses :)

[SwingMan]

Because anyone who spends $200 on a putter shaft is not hitting it off the toe. They actually know how to putt.

 

Erh, it's called Toe putting. There's also heel putting as well, different techniques. Horses, for courses :)

 

Yes, I know toe putting is used in special situations. But if that's where you take all your putts, I feel for ya'.

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

sixtysevensixtyseven, I understand the skepticism.

 

I've spent roughly 10 hours testing with my 1st putter with the Stability shaft. My Toulon performs better than before. (Asterisks here, I have not plotted out every putt on data sheet creating a matrix and graph). I've seen enough beneficial difference that I've had the Stability Shaft installed on my Bettinardi. The distance putts end up on 20+ footers is closer then before. I've also noticed the putts start out and stay on the intended line better then before. I also feel the difference, the shaft is much stiffer than before.

I'll also gladly accept a placebo effect because my GHIN is going back down and skins are being won!

 

Try this for a non scientific analogy before concrete evidence:

Your wife comes out of the bathroom and says I've dropped ten lbs. You look at her, say nice job give her a hug and squeeze. You notice the difference and BOTH of you are happy. You're married so You've PAID for that ($200 Shaft) in one way or another. OR are you gonna tell her you don't believe her and to jump on the scale before you go for the hug and say you're just giving our relationship a placebo?

 

At the least its money spent in a different area than $350+ on a sixth driver shaft looking for the extra 3 yards off the tee.

P.s. I have 3 driver shafts so I'm pointing at myself also.

 

How much did you practice before you changed to this? It sounds like you're spending an awful lot of time and attention on your putting now. Could that have anything to do with it?

 

I throw my gamer in the basement every once in a while to teach it a lesson but do you think that has any effect on the actual club? Of course not. I like to look at something new once in a while and eventually the honeymoon wears off and I go back to my gamer.

 

It my be different for you but I'm amazed at how a lot of people are talking about how they're spending more time plotting their putts, focusing on their results and working on their stroke with their new putter shaft and then when they see an improvement they don't even think that it could have been the extra time and attention they've given their putting.

 

I'm not against the technology at all and if I could sell myself on the idea of this having an impact on my putting, everything else being equal, I would have no problem shelling out twice that much for it.

 

To me this seems like snake oil. One of the easiest portions of the golf buying population to exploit is people who putt poorly because they'll do and believe just about anything as long as you tell them it'll help their putting.

 

I'm glad that it works for you but I just don't buy that the torque of a putter shaft comes into play that much. It would be really easy to test with a pendulum. Take two identical putters, one with one of these shafts and one with a good old True Temper and start hitting 20 footers off the toe. My guess is there is a reason they didn't do that test...

 

Because anyone who spends $200 on a putter shaft is not hitting it off the toe. They actually know how to putt.

 

None of the tour guys know how to putt then either because they all work on hitting the center of the face every day.

 

That's how confusing their testing is. After looking at it for the 20th time I finally realized that the results show the "wild oscillation" a steel shaft causes on a center strike.

 

I guess the advantage of this shaft is it decreases the amount the shaft flexes during the stroke. That makes even less sense to me. I'm surprised the shaft actually flexes enough to make a difference on a six footer.