Breakthrough Golf Technology (CEO Barney Adams) Stability putter shafts

[Smoothest Noonan]

I still think this product is a new take on the old UST shaft which didn't change the world either.

 

Not really... same materials different goal. The UST FF putter shaft was meant to reduce "static / noisy" high frequency vibrations in the effort to better feel the ball on the putter face. Basically this just softens feel... I played them in several putters and these worked somewhat if you a traditional grip (not the fat grips of today).

 

The BGT shaft is about reducing torque and oscillation. I've been in contact with a few of the techs at BGT and they sent me a bunch of documentation there is not one mention of the word vibration or frequency in the materials. This shaft is about reducing face twist at impact.

[Maximilian]

I’m happy with my current putter and have been putting great this summer. I also don’t believe this shaft will have an actual effect on scores. But...

 

Just ordered a new putter just for the sake of getting this shaft installed with it. Curiosity got the best of me again. Sigh... I’m sure going to have fun trying it out though! :-)

[FullOfBrushMan]

I still think this product is a new take on the old UST shaft which didn't change the world either.

 

Not really... same materials different goal. The UST FF putter shaft was meant to reduce "static / noisy" high frequency vibrations in the effort to better feel the ball on the putter face. Basically this just softens feel... I played them in several putters and these worked somewhat if you a traditional grip (not the fat grips of today).

 

The BGT shaft is about reducing torque and oscillation. I've been in contact with a few of the techs at BGT and they sent me a bunch of documentation there is not one mention of the word vibration or frequency in the materials. This shaft is about reducing face twist at impact.

Thus the "new take".

 

This shaft is snake oil without public data.

[Maximilian]

Data might be hard to prove when it comes to putting, I don't know. But people have said it feels stable, and if they can make a putter feel more stable without having to add a bunch of weight to it, I think that's at least something.

 

Odyssey has their own take of a similar shaft that is not released yet, but they had six staffers put it in play last week at the Wyndham Championship.

 

I know some people who have been adding foam down the putter shaft to make it feel more stable, so I'm guessing this might have a similar effect. Me personally, I'm just really curious rather than optimistic. The best I can hope for is that it will have a feel I like, not necessarily that I'll be making more putts with it. Will see...

[Morry]

Data might be hard to prove when it comes to putting, I don't know. But people have said it feels stable, and if they can make a putter feel more stable without having to add a bunch of weight to it, I think that's at least something.

 

Odyssey has their own take of a similar shaft that is not released yet, but they had six staffers put it in play last week at the Wyndham Championship.

 

I know some people who have been adding foam down the putter shaft to make it feel more stable, so I'm guessing this might have a similar effect. Me personally, I'm just really curious rather than optimistic. The best I can hope for is that it will have a feel I like, not necessarily that I'll be making more putts with it. Will see...

 

Very interested in this Odyssey version

Anyone have any more details?

 

(thanks for the insight above - appreciated)

[gioguy21]

i tried one of these last week -- very impressed with the incredibly stable feel at impact. overall it feels very solid throughout the putting motion - i would honestly consider buying one if they were cheaper.

[hmurray]

I have Emailed the company twice inquiring about an installer in my area and have received no response. A bit disappointing.

 

I took the bait and emailed the company. Very quick and detailed response to my questions. The customer service guy even gave me shipping info so I could send it to them to do it. Maybe it took a few weeks for them to get the "schtick" down since I emailed them 3 weeks after your post.

[ry1808]

My reshafted putter just got delivered to my house. I'll try and get some photos posted tonight.

[Dr.JP]

Ok. Just finished my testing with the boys from Cure putters in their quinntec putter lab. Interesting data. I rolled my putter with and without the shaft and unfortunately the shaft makes litter difference with face angle. Interesting the best (by far) putting I did was with their larger heavier putter with the shaft in. They also did independent testing using other putters. And found the lighter the putter the less the shaft worked. I will have raw data and a more comprehensive review within the next day or so. Just wanted to share the initial findings

[ry1808]

Ok. Just finished my testing with the boys from Cure putters in their quinntec putter lab. Interesting data. I rolled my putter with and without the shaft and unfortunately the shaft makes litter difference with face angle. Interesting the best (by far) putting I did was with their larger heavier putter with the shaft in. They also did independent testing using other putters. And found the lighter the putter the less the shaft worked. I will have raw data and a more comprehensive review within the next day or so. Just wanted to share the initial findings

 

What range of putts where you testing over? A number of reviews mention how much more stable a putter feels over long range with this shaft (which would make sense...)

 

Thanks

[Dr.JP]

Ok. Just finished my testing with the boys from Cure putters in their quinntec putter lab. Interesting data. I rolled my putter with and without the shaft and unfortunately the shaft makes litter difference with face angle. Interesting the best (by far) putting I did was with their larger heavier putter with the shaft in. They also did independent testing using other putters. And found the lighter the putter the less the shaft worked. I will have raw data and a more comprehensive review within the next day or so. Just wanted to share the initial findings

 

What range of putts where you testing over? A number of reviews mention how much more stable a putter feels over long range with this shaft (which would make sense...)

 

Thanks

 

Great question. There are obviously flaws with any testing. We were testing 10 foot putts, as we were limited to that with the system set up. I know in speaking with the gentlemen at Cure (their founder is an engineer) thought the same thing. That that shaft would work best for A. Longer putts and B. Heavier putters. In the testing they did at closer range (inside 5 feet) there is almost no benefit. More coming

 

[ry1808]

Just received my putter. Initial impressions: Build quality and installation into the putter head are excellent, you wouldn’t know this wasn’t build by a manufacturer.

 

Putting on the carpet you can’t really tell regarding performance. Feels good though, nothing crazy!

 

My only negative comment is regarding the grip. Obviously the butt end of the shaft is a lot thicker than normal and it’s can’t be easy to install a grip. I asked them to use the counter balanced SuperStroke grip I had on the putter before. The photos show that a) the butt end of the grip looks a little twisted, b) the counter core isn’t flush with the grip. This shouldn’t be too much of an issue but I’m really OCD on grip alignment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RodC]

Make Tiger install this shaft .. The guy could use some help to come back.

[Need4spd]

Can we get some reviews/feedback on this shaft installed in a (quote/unquote) “normal” putter, ya know, something other than a Directed Force or a Cure? Throw it in a good old fashioned Newport 2 and let’s see what happens. Seriously, my curiosity is piqued.

 

Secondly, what would stop me from just sticking an X100 in a putter, or a 130X C-Taper and tipping it? I’m not trying to diminish the tech that may (or may not be) behind this but it seems like I would accomplish a lot of the same things.

[gioguy21]

Can we get some reviews/feedback on this shaft installed in a (quote/unquote) “normal” putter, ya know, something other than a Directed Force or a Cure? Throw it in a good old fashioned Newport 2 and let’s see what happens. Seriously, my curiosity is piqued.

 

Secondly, what would stop me from just sticking an X100 in a putter, or a 130X C-Taper and tipping it? I’m not trying to diminish the tech that may (or may not be) behind this but it seems like I would accomplish a lot of the same things.

i'm waiting on a few funds to clear and i'll be buying one and installing it in my scotty golo N5 -- will report back

[chadillac65]

Can we get some reviews/feedback on this shaft installed in a (quote/unquote) “normal” putter, ya know, something other than a Directed Force or a Cure? Throw it in a good old fashioned Newport 2 and let’s see what happens. Seriously, my curiosity is piqued.

 

Secondly, what would stop me from just sticking an X100 in a putter, or a 130X C-Taper and tipping it? I’m not trying to diminish the tech that may (or may not be) behind this but it seems like I would accomplish a lot of the same things.

i'm waiting on a few funds to clear and i'll be buying one and installing it in my scotty golo N5 -- will report back

You won’t be disappointed

[jokerusn]

Can we get some reviews/feedback on this shaft installed in a (quote/unquote) “normal” putter, ya know, something other than a Directed Force or a Cure? Throw it in a good old fashioned Newport 2 and let’s see what happens. Seriously, my curiosity is piqued.

 

Secondly, what would stop me from just sticking an X100 in a putter, or a 130X C-Taper and tipping it? I’m not trying to diminish the tech that may (or may not be) behind this but it seems like I would accomplish a lot of the same things.

 

I have it in my MA/66 (Anser shape). Basically, off center hits stay on line better and you lose some of the harsh vibration. It doesn't help with distance on off-center hits though. Doesn't change the balance point really at all IMO. Still feels like it was with a steel shaft. Overall, I really like it. I need to change the grip though. I put a Bestgrips major leaguer on it to try but it's too small for me which is too bad. The feel is amazing and the shape is perfect but I need it just a little fatter, like midsized.

[BewareTheGlowball]

Had a customer come back in and tell us that on his golf tracking app his putts per round has gone down between 2 and 3 putts per round over the last 10 rounds with the new shaft, versus the 10 previous with the original putter, (2.39 i believe was the number). When you are already shooting in the 70s that is a nice reduction.

[FairwayFred]

I'm still in love w this putter shaft. I've had a bad year striking the ball I got in a car accident end of May and injuries have prevented me from hitting the ball the way I usually do. That said my putting has been making up for it. I've never made more putts or felt more confident than I do since I got this shaft in my putter (Ping Tyne H). I just went on a 4 day golf trip w one of my closest friends we played 2-3 matches a day and toward the end of the trip he got so sick of watching me make everything that he went to grab my putter to get it away from me and he burned his hand it was so hot....

 

I have no data other than making more putts but I can tell you I definitely notice a difference I'd say this shaft is one of the best equipment decisions I made this year.

[ry1808]

Got my first round with this shaft tomorrow (in a qualifier...)

 

Spent some time on the putting green with it this evening at my local course. They punched the greens a few weeks ago any they’re still not great but I could at least get club on ball and get some feedback.

 

The feel is different for sure. Not worse but not better, just different. Almost makes the putter feel “hollow”, difficult to describe. Can’t say I made more or less putts but the green was so bad difficult to say.

 

I know the course I’m playing tomorrow and they have good greens so it’ll be a good test. Looking forward to trying this out.

 

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[ry1808]

So, played my qualifier yesterday... and didn't qualify. Hit the ball OK but had a couple of bad holes where a bad shot tended to follow a bad shot. And landing an approach shot on a sprinkler head which ended OOB!

 

But for the putter and shaft combination. On the whole it was pretty good. Took 32 putts which is about average. Holed one from around 40 foot which was nice (also missed one from about 1 foot, complete brain fart there, nothing to do with the putter). Lag putting was good and it certainly felt like I could control the distance better and made a couple of nice 4 - 6 foot putts that at least had to be started outside the hole.

 

So far so good but it's very early stages.

[gioguy21]

Can we get some reviews/feedback on this shaft installed in a (quote/unquote) “normal” putter, ya know, something other than a Directed Force or a Cure? Throw it in a good old fashioned Newport 2 and let’s see what happens. Seriously, my curiosity is piqued.

 

Secondly, what would stop me from just sticking an X100 in a putter, or a 130X C-Taper and tipping it? I’m not trying to diminish the tech that may (or may not be) behind this but it seems like I would accomplish a lot of the same things.

i'm waiting on a few funds to clear and i'll be buying one and installing it in my scotty golo N5 -- will report back

check that - using the funds towards my other money-soaking hobby.

[FullOfBrushMan]

Asked the question to TXG yesterday and they said "a couple of weeks" before the review/data came out. Until then should be interesting as time goes on and the honeymoon phase wears off.

[ry1808]

Asked the question to TXG yesterday and they said "a couple of weeks" before the review/data came out. Until then should be interesting as time goes on and the honeymoon phase wears off.

 

Oh for sure the honeymoon phase is a real thing, ha!

 

However there is a distinctive difference in feel which is real. If this help you hole more putts or keeps the ball on line longer we will see. From my impressions I think we may see an improvement in long range putting and distance control. Certainly that area of my game was better than normal yesterday and I think distance control has a lot to do with feel rather than alignment.

[chadillac65]

Any updated data?

[2Bad4u]

I sent them an email yesterday regarding product info and Canadian dealers however they still have not responded. I'll definitely give them some additional time but it's not a great sign.

 

I never did receive an response to my email so it doesn't say much for their customer support. Too bad because it did sound like an interesting product. Hope others have a better experience when dealing with them.

[ry1808]

All of my responses have been very prompt and detailed.

 

Played a couple of rounds and can certainly feel a difference. The head feels more stable and controlled through impact. Need a couple more competitive rounds to put it under pressure. Had a 36 hole event this weekend but they done stupid hurricane came along... ?

[Noke]

Sounds like the people who have seen improvement with this shaft had a bad putter fit before...

[FairwayFred]

Sounds like the people who have seen improvement with this shaft had a bad putter fit before...

 

Literally all I did was change the shaft...

[ry1808]

Sounds like the people who have seen improvement with this shaft had a bad putter fit before...

 

How do you draw that conclusion?