All-Fit Universal Adaptor Thread

[Glock917]

12 minutes ago, gentles said:

would this mean that the standard setting in all fit is the flattest setting the head can go in, which in a ping would be the max flat setting? In a tm head the flattest setting is the standard setting 

 

thanks for the response 

No just go by what adapter states on it.

 

Easier way to look at it. In pings adapters in standard you can see it is at a slightly lower angle. In TM and allfit is opposite so it is going to behave that way. The angle of the hosel in the driver is fixed and given. 

[gentles]

18 minutes ago, rlb4 said:

Ping standard setting is its most upright. It can only go flatter(3*). The All Fit standard setting is in its flattest. It can only go upright.

 

I'm more interested in knowing the actual lie angle rather than whether it is the flattest option if that makes any sense

 

If the Ping head goes from 53* to 56* with a ping adapter. Would allfit standard be 53* line angle then and work up from that? 

[rlb4]

12 minutes ago, gentles said:

 

I'm more interested in knowing the actual lie angle rather than whether it is the flattest option if that makes any sense

 

If the Ping head goes from 53* to 56* with a ping adapter. Would allfit standard be 53* line angle then and work up from that? 

I'm not exactly sure. I think I read somewhere that the All Fit it 3* difference between flat and upright. Not sure of the actual lie angle #. I'll see if I can find where I saw it.

[NRJyzr]

1 hour ago, gentles said:

 

I'm more interested in knowing the actual lie angle rather than whether it is the flattest option if that makes any sense

 

If the Ping head goes from 53* to 56* with a ping adapter. Would allfit standard be 53* line angle then and work up from that? 

 

1 hour ago, rlb4 said:

I'm not exactly sure. I think I read somewhere that the All Fit it 3* difference between flat and upright. Not sure of the actual lie angle #. I'll see if I can find where I saw it.

 

 

Actual lie angle is determined by the clubhead, not the adapter.  The adapters are all similar, it's only how they're marked where they differ from each other.

 

[Glock917]

On 2/1/2024 at 11:56 AM, gentles said:

 

I'm more interested in knowing the actual lie angle rather than whether it is the flattest option if that makes any sense

 

If the Ping head goes from 53* to 56* with a ping adapter. Would allfit standard be 53* line angle then and work up from that? 

 

All adapters without cogs work the same way. There is a slight angle on the adapter to deviate the lofts, face angle, and lie angle to a certain degree.

 

Pings can change a lie angle 3* max and so is all-fits. Therefore its overall end to end adjustment is going to be the same.

 

They might differ in the intervals in between but their range is identical. The labeling of where their standard is throwing you off. Its not that complicated its just a mirrored orientation. 

[gentles]

2 hours ago, Glock917 said:

 

All adapters without cogs work the same way. There is a slight angle on the adapter to deviate the lofts, face angle, and lie angle to a certain degree.

 

Pings can change a lie angle 3* max and so is all-fits. Therefore its overall end to end adjustment is going to be the same.

 

They might differ in the intervals in between but their range is identical. The labeling of where their standard is throwing you off. It’s not that complicated it’s  just a mirrored orientation. 

So the standard setting in all fit adapter in a ping driver is the flattest the head can possibly go? And I can look at the ping website to work out what the flattest setting the head can go is? 

[Glock917]

On 2/2/2024 at 2:46 PM, gentles said:

So the standard setting in all fit adapter in a ping driver is the flattest the head can possibly go? And I can look at the ping website to work out what the flattest setting the head can go is? 

No after an all fit adapter goes on it doesn’t obey any of pings settings. From then on you go by the settings on the allfit adapter. Therefore if you want the flattest its at the standard setting. 

[Golf Pig]

On 1/31/2024 at 11:54 PM, gentles said:

In a taylormade head, the standard setting is the flattest possible setting, the opposite setting being the most upright setting in the head.

 

On 2/1/2024 at 11:40 AM, Glock917 said:

Since all fit is pretty much designed from a TM adapter it will act like one. 

 

These statements are correct. I'll post some actual measurements from my spec gauge when I get a chance, but I can confirm that the All-Fit adapter at the "standard" setting is the flattest lie angle possible. All the other settings are more upright.

[Golf Pig]

On 9/25/2023 at 7:25 AM, nkurz said:

I never heard back from Billy Bob's about my stripped Allfit adapter.  I'm guessing they've had enough with these and are just trying to sell out what they have without getting sued.  Rather than trying to force the issue I decided to see if I could repair the adapter with a "Helicoil" type insert.  

 

The idea of these is the you drill out the stripped threads, tap new larger threads into this hole, screw a hard steel helical insert into the new threads, and then screw the original bolt inside the insert.  Since the insert is made of a tougher metal and the threads in the original are a larger diameter, you hopefully end up with a stronger connection.  

 

The Allfit uses M4-.7mm screws.  I bought this kit off Amazon for about $13.  In addition, you'll need a drill and a tap wrench, although you can probably substitute a Vicegrips for a tap wrench if  you don't have one.  This kit included a variety of insert lengths, measured in "D", where D is the 4mm diameter of the screw.  I ended up using the 2D (8mm) length, although the 2.5D might have fit if I'd have drilled and tapped a little deeper.  

 

It's a fairly easy 20 minute procedure if you can read directions and have some metal working experience:  a bit faster if you are better, considerably slower if this is the first time you've tapped anything.   I don't know how it will hold up over time, but it worked fine for the 50 or so test balls I hit.  If these adapters do end up going off the market, this might be a useful trick for people who have stripped the threads and can't find a replacement.   

 

I'd like to report that this works great! The helical insert in one of my Gen 3 adapters started to come out. I thought I could thread it back in with a spare screw but I ended up just removing it - see pics below. The stock insert is 2D in length by the way. I ordered a similar kit from Amazon and some 2.5D inserts. For everyone's reference the drill bit in the kit is 4.2mm. I believe you could also use a 11/64" bit. Since the stock insert simply unthreaded I didn't have to drill anything out. I used the included tap and cut new threads until the tap bottomed out. A tap wrench is very handy but as mentioned above these kits don't come with one. The 2.5D helicoil fits perfectly. The depth of the adapter is about 13mm and the 2.5D length is 10mm. After using the installation tool to thread the new insert I used the included punch to hammer out the tang.

 

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Edited February 9 by Golf Pig
Added photo.

[ericft]

I have been using allfit for a few years and have noticed the the collars I previously had for my gen 3 adapters don’t fit cannot go onto the gen 4 adapters I have. I also bought some extra collars from Billy bobs which do fit on the new gen 4 but are still fairly tight.  It is a pain as I want to just keep using my original collars but if I have a shaft with gen 4 I have to make sure I have a new collar for that one. 
has anyone noticed n similar issue with collar fit on the new gen 4 adapters? Almost seems like they are just a fraction thicker. 

[ode]

On 2/8/2024 at 6:55 PM, Golf Pig said:

 

I'd like to report that this works great! The helical insert in one of my Gen 3 adapters started to come out. I thought I could thread it back in with a spare screw but I ended up just removing it - see pics below. The stock insert is 2D in length by the way. I ordered a similar kit from Amazon and some 2.5D inserts. For everyone's reference the drill bit in the kit is 4.2mm. I believe you could also use a 11/64" bit. Since the stock insert simply unthreaded I didn't have to drill anything out. I used the included tap and cut new threads until the tap bottomed out. A tap wrench is very handy but as mentioned above these kits don't come with one. The 2.5D helicoil fits perfectly. The depth of the adapter is about 13mm and the 2.5D length is 10mm. After using the installation tool to thread the new insert I used the included punch to hammer out the tang.

 

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I'm a complete ignoramus but might try as I have two adapters where this happened.  All the threads came out and there appears to be s faint thread cut into the inside of the adapter.  Would the new insert just fit or are you saying new threads need to be cut?  And would something like loctite be advised as the original insert and thread were clearly garbage and not durable!

[Golf Pig]

On 2/26/2024 at 6:30 PM, ode said:

I'm a complete ignoramus but might try as I have two adapters where this happened.  All the threads came out and there appears to be s faint thread cut into the inside of the adapter.  Would the new insert just fit or are you saying new threads need to be cut?  And would something like loctite be advised as the original insert and thread were clearly garbage and not durable!

 

If the old insert came completely out you could likely just install a new one without tapping. However, it took all of 2 minutes for me to tap new threads. I don't think Loctite would be necessary. The inserts are larger in diameter than the opening and expand to fit. See the explanation here. I've hit tons of balls with the adapter I fixed (including changing heads several times) and the new insert hasn't moved.

Edited March 4 by Golf Pig

[1mcozik]

I'm guessing the B screw will fit in the Callaway Paradym and AI Smoke Head also?

[Golf Pig]

On 2/26/2024 at 5:22 AM, ericft said:

I have been using allfit for a few years and have noticed the the collars I previously had for my gen 3 adapters don’t fit cannot go onto the gen 4 adapters I have. I also bought some extra collars from Billy bobs which do fit on the new gen 4 but are still fairly tight.  It is a pain as I want to just keep using my original collars but if I have a shaft with gen 4 I have to make sure I have a new collar for that one. 
has anyone noticed n similar issue with collar fit on the new gen 4 adapters? Almost seems like they are just a fraction thicker. 

Maybe you have an unusual bad batch of Gen 4 adapters. I finally ran out of Gen 3s and just got a bunch of Gen 4s (directly from All-Fit). All of my existing collars fit just fine.

[Golf Pig]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:36 AM, Golf Pig said:

On 1/31/2024 at 11:54 PM, gentles said:

In a taylormade head, the standard setting is the flattest possible setting, the opposite setting being the most upright setting in the head.

 

On 2/1/2024 at 11:40 AM, Glock917 said:

Since all fit is pretty much designed from a TM adapter it will act like one. 

 

These statements are correct. I'll post some actual measurements from my spec gauge when I get a chance, but I can confirm that the All-Fit adapter at the "standard" setting is the flattest lie angle possible. All the other settings are more upright.

 

Here are some spec gauge measurements I took of my Black Ops driver with a Gen 4 adapter. The "Patented Up" setting is 2.5 degrees upright from the "standard" setting. The .75 loft changes indicated on the adapter are all 1 degree by my measurements. Note that the loft measurements are "effective loft" taken with the head square to the gauge.

 

Edited March 13 by Golf Pig

[WonkyMango]

Anyone been having a bunch of problems with the Gen 4 adapters? I got a 5 from Billy Bob's golf and the inserts are all stripped and the heads won't full tighten.