Mizuno 223 Reviews

[Audi A-Fore]

1 hour ago, Viper4225 said:

 

which is more forgiving, 223 or t100? which is bigger headsize?

I'd say the forgiveness is tipped on the 223 side, as well as slightly bigger head....only slightly, probably due to the T100 is an exceptionally thin topline. I was weighing these 2 as well (T100s actually), and went with the Mizuno because of added forgiveness. 

[bankbank]

11 hours ago, Viper4225 said:

 

which is more forgiving, 223 or t100? which is bigger headsize?

forgiveness edge to 223. T100 smaller. Looks almost like a blade at address. Here's a pic of my T100 at address 

[Red4282]

11 hours ago, Viper4225 said:

 

which is more forgiving, 223 or t100? which is bigger headsize?

Id disagree with whats been stated and say the t100. Tons of tungsten and crazy high moi. The moi on the 223 is not known right now but i doubt its that high. The 223 has a bigger headsize  though, by quite a bit. So id say if your a bad striker, and you need more face area, 223 may fit the bill. If you are a decent striker and your misses are generally slight, then Id go t100. Also, i tested these two side by side extensively. 223 feels better, for sure. But t100 was just SO consistent with its dispersion. I had some wild ups and down with the numbers (or jumpers) with the 223, so if i had to pick, for me id go t100 just based on that. 

Edited July 29, 2022 by Red4282

[JStang]

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Edited August 9, 2022 by JStang

[goduke7]

On 7/29/2022 at 3:13 AM, Red4282 said:

Id disagree with whats been stated and say the t100. Tons of tungsten and crazy high moi. The moi on the 223 is not known right now but i doubt its that high. The 223 has a bigger headsize  though, by quite a bit. So id say if your a bad striker, and you need more face area, 223 may fit the bill. If you are a decent striker and your misses are generally slight, then Id go t100. Also, i tested these two side by side extensively. 223 feels better, for sure. But t100 was just SO consistent with its dispersion. I had some wild ups and down with the numbers (or jumpers) with the 223, so if i had to pick, for me id go t100 just based on that. 

 

This is interesting as I hit both last week and the T100 didn't touch the 223s with dispersion for me. Also for some reason the 223's had 2MPH club head speed increase. It was very odd. Hit 7 different iron sets and they were all consistent with a 89-90 mph the 223s were 92. I bought the 223s as they felt more pure and consistent. 

[Red4282]

11 minutes ago, goduke7 said:

 

This is interesting as I hit both last week and the T100 didn't touch the 223s with dispersion for me. Also for some reason the 223's had 2MPH club head speed increase. It was very odd. Hit 7 different iron sets and they were all consistent with a 89-90 mph the 223s were 92. I bought the 223s as they felt more pure and consistent. 

The ball speed really fluctuated alot with the 223. For a 7 iron, id was averaging like 124, but had a couple of crazy 129 and 130s. As well as some mishits that dipped to 118-119. T100 was consistently between 121-125. Thats just the results i got that day. 

[Tigercogz]

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.
 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same

 

tia

mizuno 

4	22	60	0.138	38.5
5	25	60.5	0.134	38
6	28	61	0.13	37.5
7	32	61.5	0.122	37
8	36	62	0.114	36.5
9	41	62.5	0.106	36
PW	46	63	0.098	35.5

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

[GJR10]

23 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.
 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same

 

tia

mizuno 

4	22	60	0.138	38.5
5	25	60.5	0.134	38
6	28	61	0.13	37.5
7	32	61.5	0.122	37
8	36	62	0.114	36.5
9	41	62.5	0.106	36
PW	46	63	0.098	35.5

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

I don’t think lie angle will affect offset. Just have mizuno bend them 1 degree upright 

[Tigercogz]

Thanks for the feedback, I think I miss read it on Mizuno sight.

 

 

[bevans0222]

Changing lofts impacts the offset.  That's probably what you saw on the website.

[odshot68]

Looking for a new set of irons and hit these today and loved the 7 iron I hit. Seemed super forgiving compared to my MP20MB irons. Did you guys bend your pw 1 degree strong or just the gap wedge. Or both. Read some posts regarding others just wanted clarification. Also are you guys gaming the matching 4 iron too?  Happy Sunday and go Lions!

[1puttTUT]

5 hours ago, odshot68 said:

Looking for a new set of irons and hit these today and loved the 7 iron I hit. Seemed super forgiving compared to my MP20MB irons. Did you guys bend your pw 1 degree strong or just the gap wedge. Or both. Read some posts regarding others just wanted clarification. Also are you guys gaming the matching 4 iron too?  Happy Sunday and go Lions!

 

I bent just the GW. Playing down to 5 iron and then I use a Cobra forged TEC 3 iron and then a 5 wood. Kinda weird but it works for me.

[C_rad]

Kinda late to the thread but i just recently got the 223. Always wanted a mizuno set, its my first one. coming from j15cb. 
 

while the stones were great, i think the short irons are better looking in the 223 and the long irons are more forgiving. 

[mcc0819]

I've had the 223 for about a month now coming from Miura CB57.  Shape in the 223 mid-long irons are excellent but I'm still getting used to the shape of the short irons.  I was fit at True Spec and I saw excellent launch conditions.  After a month with them in my bag, i'm convinced they'll stay awhile.  I'm seeing big improvements especially on mishits.  They don't feel as nice as the Miura's but are so much more forgiving.  I'm also getting another 5-6 yards more on average.  Excited to further get dialed in with this and how they'll perform in tournaments next year.

[scheff13]

On 4/12/2022 at 5:31 AM, T_Golf_23 said:

 

Posted this originally on another thread…. now have multiple rounds with the 225, 223 and 221. I also play callaway X-forged CB21. When I was fitted, it was a choice between the XFCB and the JPX21 forged, but I could not stand the top line and blade length of the JPX line. 

 

I think Mizuno knocked it out of the park with the line up. Just crushed it. Any of these clubs are playable for me and none of them leave you wanting. Even on the full set of 225, I never said … oh I wish they could do this or that. Or they don’t feel good…. I am nit picking because it is such a close call between these clubs. 

 

I have the PX IO 6.0 shafts on the XFCB and the MP225. Modus 115 stiff shafts in the 223 and 221. Lamkin ST+2 STD grips. I have verified all specs to be accurate. SW within half point of spec 

 

I play a ProV1 ball. Driver swing speed is between 105-110. 7 iron SS around 90. My AoA is about -1. I tend to be a slight bit outside to in. I can tend to have an aggressive transition. I am standard length. All lofts and lies are standard.

 

first let me just comment on the shafts - both of these are very similar, actually, the modus feels better balanced and a little smoother than than the PX, especially on short game touch and go shots. 
 

both are great shafts and if one shaft is holding up your order, I would not hesitate to try these interchangeably. 
 

the players CB category is such a tightly packed category. Performance is so close on many different irons. I actually have a thread going to compare some others here…. I am convinced this is the category of iron I belong in - right amount of feel, control and forgiveness. Have a thread going to look at others on this space 

 

Let me get this out of the way up front - I see zero reason to blend the 223 with either 221 or 225. Only exception maybe the 225 4 iron….. but not necessary. Mizuno has made a very good stand alone flow set. 
 

i am a big proponent of blending 221 and 225 though. 
 

For reference, this is important - I am struggling a lot with the 4 & 5 iron and sometimes even the 6 iron on the 221, but the 5 & 6 iron on the 223 are easily some of my best clubs of the set. I am hitting more GIR from 160yds plus then I have with any other iron set.

 

I think a big reason is that they hold the greens. There probably isn’t much more than 5-10ft from pitch mark location to ending ball location on some of those long approach shots. My apex tends to be around 100ft with most irons, so good balance of landing angle and spin. 
 

The 225 long irons are HOT. You can feel them flying off the face - not GI hot, but hot. Although, i have not had a flier in close to 10 rounds with the 225…… so don’t worry about those and I used to airmail green all day long with my old GI irons.  Big reason I am switching clubs this year.  The whole MP line has my miss as short …. Which is perfectly fine with me. Thin shots actually retain a lot distance, especially on the 225. 
 

The 223 have a more solid feel in the long irons, but you can feel the help in there. The level of forgiveness between these and the 221 is exponential. This becomes less as you move into the shorter irons. 
 

Struck in the middle, both the long and short irons feel typical mizuno soft. Feedback is still good on long irons, despite the cavity, but off center hits sound a little clicky. I tend to miss heel side. I could care less about the sound considering the performance retention… this is what I look for in a long iron. 
 

I have had no gapping issues between the 8 iron and 7 iron. On mishits, the 7 has more performance retention than the 8. That is the biggest difference between the two. 
 

if you hit them both center and flush, feel difference is minimal. Catch the fully forged 8I thin and your hands are going to feel it. Drop off in performance is more noticeable here as well. 
 

 Control is appreciably better. I hit knock down shots with the set G through 8 iron and being fully forged, they handle these great. You can also make these go high too…. Workability and feel leaves nothing to be desired in these irons. 

 

there is little difference in feel or softness between the 221 and 223 forged short irons. They are essentially the same thing. This is why I say there is no reason to go 221 short irons or blend the 223 set. 
 

they did a good job of making the short irons more compact. My XFCB didn’t do this and it looks weird. Performance is good, but it looks off…. The problem with getting fit while only seeing the 7 iron..
 

in fact, I believe that you may pick up a little forgiveness on the 223 short irons as the head is a tiny bit bigger vs the 221, but there seems to be a slight bit of perimeter weighting to help on off center strikes a little. So - same workability and feel as the 221 - with added forgiveness….

 

i posted profile pictures a few pages back in the 221-223-225 line up for reference - you can see the 6i, 8I, and P side by side. I think it’s page 66. 
 

the sole on the 223 is wider then the 221 and the 225, but the beveled back edge helps it play much more narrow than it looks. I don’t get along well with wide sole clubs and this has not been an issue. They did a good job with this. 
 

Overall, great irons, I think these will be my gamers this year. Used to think the 225/221 combo set was it, but these have been playing so well. 
 

I agree with mizuno, there is a lot in this club that you always wanted, but never really thought to ask for. 
 

Still need to give my XFCBs one last chance at redemption and then have a set of New Level PF2 irons I will give a go. ZX7 also have my curiosity. I love this category of iron. 
 

The mizuno pro line has set the bar very high. 

 

What is your gap with a 223 6 iron and a 221 7iron?

I've got a 5 and 6 iron in the 223 and 7-9 221 on order. I had them bend the 5 and 6 a degree weak. Wondering if I'm going to notice a sizeable gap between the 221 and 223

[T_Golf_23]

1 hour ago, scheff13 said:

What is your gap with a 223 6 iron and a 221 7iron?

I've got a 5 and 6 iron in the 223 and 7-9 221 on order. I had them bend the 5 and 6 a degree weak. Wondering if I'm going to notice a sizeable gap between the 221 and 223

I had a full set of 221 shafted with the modus 115 shafts as well. The problem was not between my 6 and 7….. the long irons actually we’re okay… the 8 irons was the forged with no slot…. Those where the irons that were coming up way short…. 7 iron was a 165 -170 club, while the 8 was coming up at 145…. And the wind just ate up any distance. 
 

the short irons were just too high and spinny. 
 

i didn’t find the same issue with the 221 irons…. Oddly enough. I just had too many  other sets that played too well to try to figure it all out. 

[T_Golf_23]

10 hours ago, C_rad said:

Kinda late to the thread but i just recently got the 223. Always wanted a mizuno set, its my first one. coming from j15cb. 
 

while the stones were great, i think the short irons are better looking in the 223 and the long irons are more forgiving. 

Mizuno does a great job at keeping the short irons compact. 

[odshot68]

I called mizuno yesterday to ask about working a combo set of 221 and 223 and the rep didn’t recommend it. I thought about 8-pw in the 221. 

[hwwong]

21 hours ago, T_Golf_23 said:

I had a full set of 221 shafted with the modus 115 shafts as well. The problem was not between my 6 and 7….. the long irons actually we’re okay… the 8 irons was the forged with no slot…. Those where the irons that were coming up way short…. 7 iron was a 165 -170 club, while the 8 was coming up at 145…. And the wind just ate up any distance. 
 

the short irons were just too high and spinny. 
 

i didn’t find the same issue with the 221 irons…. Oddly enough. I just had too many  other sets that played too well to try to figure it all out. 

 

Could be an issue with the shaft.  I don't have any gapping issues between 8 and 7 iron

Edited December 6, 2022 by hwwong

[mcc0819]

22 hours ago, T_Golf_23 said:

I had a full set of 221 shafted with the modus 115 shafts as well. The problem was not between my 6 and 7….. the long irons actually we’re okay… the 8 irons was the forged with no slot…. Those where the irons that were coming up way short…. 7 iron was a 165 -170 club, while the 8 was coming up at 145…. And the wind just ate up any distance. 
 

the short irons were just too high and spinny. 
 

i didn’t find the same issue with the 221 irons…. Oddly enough. I just had too many  other sets that played too well to try to figure it all out. 

As someone above mentioned, its likely not the shafts.  Get the loft/lie checked.  If they're to spec, mess around with lofting down on the the short irons.  I don't have any issues with too high or spinny with the short irons.  

[T_Golf_23]

18 minutes ago, mcc0819 said:

As someone above mentioned, its likely not the shafts.  Get the loft/lie checked.  If they're to spec, mess around with lofting down on the the short irons.  I don't have any issues with too high or spinny with the short irons.  

Verified the specs. Shafts react to swing differently. 

 

i have some challenges with spinning modus 115/125 shafts too much. 
 

the modus 130 work very well for me. At the end of the day - I just had too many sets that worked well and these needed to go. 

[T_Golf_23]

5 hours ago, odshot68 said:

I called mizuno yesterday to ask about working a combo set of 221 and 223 and the rep didn’t recommend it. I thought about 8-pw in the 221. 

The long irons in the 221 are tough to play….. I had a tough time with the 4&5 iron. And I play a 3 iron in some other sets. 
 

the 221 almost go better with the 225 as a blended set 

[odshot68]

I’m going to give the t100 and t100s a go soon with same shaft to compare. Any other recommendations?

[T_Golf_23]

8 minutes ago, odshot68 said:

I’m going to give the t100 and t100s a go soon with same shaft to compare. Any other recommendations?

Shafts?? 
 

my favorites are the modus 130, Tour V and the $-Taper. I like heavy counter balanced shafts. 
 

inlike heavy shafts with low swing weights, like D0/D1…..  it easily play Up to D3. 
 

Also really enjoy the x100….. have some x100 AMTs I am installing and some 120 x100 as well. 

[mkidding]

7 hours ago, odshot68 said:

I called mizuno yesterday to ask about working a combo set of 221 and 223 and the rep didn’t recommend it. I thought about 8-pw in the 221. 

 

I don't know if the rep tells you the exact reasoning, but one of the biggest challenge you would have is that you likely would have to bend your 4-7 223 in this combo 1-2 weaker, which would result in 1-2 degree more bounce. And 223 comes stock with slightly more bounce than 221 already.

 

This means you might end up with a 5 iron that has similar bounce to your 8 iron

[mkidding]

On 11/21/2022 at 6:16 PM, Tigercogz said:

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.
 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same

 

tia

mizuno 

4	22	60	0.138	38.5
5	25	60.5	0.134	38
6	28	61	0.13	37.5
7	32	61.5	0.122	37
8	36	62	0.114	36.5
9	41	62.5	0.106	36
PW	46	63	0.098	35.5

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

 

Very interesting! I never realized that the lie angle is so different between Titleist and Mizuno similar irons.

 

Regardless, both T100 and 223 are fully forged body irons and are super easy to bend if you need to adjust those lie to your spec. Or just order your 223 "1 up" to bridge the gap and see how that feels. 

 

In general though, my personal feeling is that these days making swings flatter is the trend.

[Red4282]

7 hours ago, odshot68 said:

I called mizuno yesterday to ask about working a combo set of 221 and 223 and the rep didn’t recommend it. I thought about 8-pw in the 221. 

Could always just carry 2 8 irons if you dint want to bend anything. A bit silly but it would work

[T_Golf_23]

13 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Could always just carry 2 8 irons if you dint want to bend anything. A bit silly but it would work

So the 225 and 221 set blend this way. 
 

you double up on the 6,7, or 8 irons …. no bending. 
 

i have mixed and matched it every way as I had full 225, 223, and 221 sets. 
 

Only kept the 225 set. 

 

 

[SwooshLT]

On 11/21/2022 at 9:16 PM, Tigercogz said:

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.
 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same

 

tia

mizuno 

4	22	60	0.138	38.5
5	25	60.5	0.134	38
6	28	61	0.13	37.5
7	32	61.5	0.122	37
8	36	62	0.114	36.5
9	41	62.5	0.106	36
PW	46	63	0.098	35.5

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

 

Did you grab a set of 223s? 

[DevilDog]

I bought a set and they are about to be traded in.  Here's the rundown

 

Pros:  Look terrific, have nice feel, set up well and have a small modicum of forgiveness

 

Cons:  Not any longer than my old MP33s despite having less loft.  Personally don't like the turf interaction with them either.  

 

Your mileage may vary