2024 Recruits?

[tiger1873]

1 hour ago, Movingday said:

Major academic universities aren’t using the minimum NCAA requirements. They have their own and much higher standards. Football/Basketball can sometimes be the exception based on the school

 

I don't think it matters much what the minimums are I think most 2024 recruits are more worried about where they can play then what they score on a SAT.  If you have good grades it is a non issue otherwise you better study a lot to compensate.

 

If some college is telling you that you need crazy high SAT scores it because they rather tell you that then they don't think your kid has enough talent for their team. 

 

From what I am seeing play out with 2023 it is rough out there.  I think a lot kids in 2024 are going to have cast a wide net be willing to be farther from home and play at  2nd or 3rd choice schools and hope to transfer if their dream is playing in a Major D1 championship school.

 

What will be interesting is in the next few years are these schools at the top going to stay at the top or will kids just stay where they are at.

Edited February 9, 2023 by tiger1873

[allenartlab]

5 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

Ummm... it is not a myth.  When you are talking about Head Count Sports it maybe, but not certain institutions like Stanford, Notre Dame.  In terms of Equivalency Sports, it is not a myth at all.

Could you elaborate? By a myth, I was referring to the fact some schools, including Stanford, do not publish their SAT requirement for golf recruits. I have heard numbers from 1350 to 1500 from various parents.

[allenartlab]

48 minutes ago, tiger1873 said:

 

I don't think it matters much what the minimums are I think most 2024 recruits are more worried about where they can play then what they score on a SAT.  If you have good grades it is a non issue otherwise you better study a lot to compensate.

 

If some college is telling you that you need crazy high SAT scores it because they rather tell you that then they don't think your kid has enough talent for their team. 

 

From what I am seeing play out with 2023 it is rough out there.  I think a lot kids in 2024 are going to have cast a wide net be willing to be farther from home and play at  2nd or 3rd choice schools and hope to transfer if their dream is playing in a Major D1 championship school.

 

What will be interesting is in the next few years are these schools at the top going to stay at the top or will kids just stay where they are at.

I think it matters from school selection point of view. If you know certain school has a minimum SAT requirement that your kid won't satisfy, then there is no need to consider those schools. Or like you said, spend more time study to meet the requirement if you still want to go to those schools. 

[tiger1873]

6 minutes ago, allenartlab said:

I think it matters from school selection point of view. If you know certain school has a minimum SAT requirement that your kid won't satisfy, then there is no need to consider those schools. Or like you said, spend more time study to meet the requirement if you still want to go to those schools. 

 

I am just saying you have to knock on a lot doors.  Don't worry about the SAT requirements until they talk to you more in depth. If they don't have a spot or don't want you kid it doesn't matter what your academics are.

 

You are over thinking things on this you just have to talk to as many as you can and hope for the best.  You always going to get a ton rejections and you just have to keep plugging away and focus on the positive responses.

 

I wish I had a better answer but getting recruited is more about how a kid markets themselves then anything else at the end of the day.

 

 

[Jkhogbear]

6 hours ago, tiger1873 said:

 

I am just saying you have to knock on a lot doors.  Don't worry about the SAT requirements until they talk to you more in depth. If they don't have a spot or don't want you kid it doesn't matter what your academics are.

 

You are over thinking things on this you just have to talk to as many as you can and hope for the best.  You always going to get a ton rejections and you just have to keep plugging away and focus on the positive responses.

 

I wish I had a better answer but getting recruited is more about how a kid markets themselves then anything else at the end of the day.

 

 

Agree on this.  You have to have some talent and get noticed then comes the question of where you are academically.

[heavy_hitter]

17 hours ago, allenartlab said:

Could you elaborate? By a myth, I was referring to the fact some schools, including Stanford, do not publish their SAT requirement for golf recruits. I have heard numbers from 1350 to 1500 from various parents.

You didn't say that.  

 

Stanford Admissions... The mid-50% SAT range for the Class of 2025 was 1420-1570.  

 

[John119]

On 2/7/2023 at 3:36 PM, leezer99 said:

I know a kid with multiple wins on our big tour in Socal with zero offers in state and he’s ranked in the top 130 overall with a -4 differential. That’s just to say that scores aren’t everything. 

BH? Other things may be at play there. Didn't make the best impression as a youngster on a show. And attitude can kill you. If that's who you are referring to.  He has turned into a great kid now. Hope he gets an opportunity somewhere. 

[leezer99]

28 minutes ago, John119 said:

BH? Other things may be at play there. Didn't make the best impression as a youngster on a show. And attitude can kill you. If that's who you are referring to.  He has turned into a great kid now. Hope he gets an opportunity somewhere. 

I’d agree. On course demeanor is awful. Talk to him between holes or outside of golf and he’s awesome. Very odd.  

[chetschwalm]

Just to add to previous discussion about test scores. My son was recruited by 2 Ivy League universities. He is graduating from HS this May so the info is current. He was told by both very similar stories. They wouldn’t offer before SAT was taken. Also they both told my son they would offer him immediately if he scored a certain number. The one coach said 1410 minimum. The other said 1400’s. 

[MahalNeneng]

Just an update on the "verbals" for 2024, i have added some context from prior 2 years of actual signings (keep in mind that the differentials for the verbals are current (not what they will end up being when signed, as the 2023 and 2022 are)

 

Excerpt (more in attachment)

2024 Verbals						2023 Signings						2022 Signings
Name	JGS Rank	Differential	College	College Rank		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College
Nicholas Gross	1	-8.06	Alabama	17		Jackson	Koivun	-8.82	1	Auburn		Benjamin	James	-7.97	1	Virginia
William jennings	2	-6.5	Alabama	17		Eric	Lee	-8.69	2	Cal - Berkeley		Caleb	Surratt	-7.3	2	Tennessee
Jay Leng	3	-6.54	Stanford	6		Jamison	Tan	-2.56	2	Claremont McKenna		Nick	Dunlap	-7.03	3	Alabama
Byungho Lee	4	-6.17	Pepperdine	14		Ethan	Gao	-7.87	3	Stanford		Luke	Potter	-6.66	4	Arizona State
Matt Moloney	5	-5.75	Georgia	31		Carson	Kim	-7.84	4	USC		Bryan	Lee	-6.56	5	Virginia
Gerado Gomez	6	-5.76	Arkansas	39		Bryan	Kim	-7.59	5	Duke		Wells	Williams	-6.24	6	Vanderbilt
Asher Whitaker	7	-5.67	Oklahoma	15		Preston	Stout	-7.61	6	Oklahoma State		Jase	Summy	-5.83	8	Oklahoma
Logan Kim	8	-5.45	Stanford	6		Ethan	Fang	-7.3	7	Cal - Berkeley		Jonathan	Griz	-5.78	9	Alabama
Eduardo Torres	9	-5.36	Texas	20		P.J.	Maybank	-7.24	8	Oklahoma		Luke	Clanton	-5.7	10	Florida State
Kai hirayama	10	-5.4	Cal	72		Aaron	Pounds	-7.18	9	Texas A & M		Jonas	Appel	-5.73	11	Baylor
Andrew Ramos	11	-5.26	Oklahoma	15		Jack	Usner	-6.74	10	Texas A & M		Matt	Comegys	-5.67	12	Texas Tech
Christian Pardu	12	-4.82	Tennessee	8		Rylan	Shim	-6.66	11	Florida		Cameron	Tankersley	-5.82	14	Ole Miss
Boston Bracken	13	-4.88	ASU	4		Cooper	Jones	-6.84	12	BYU		Filip	Jakubcik	-5.55	15	Arizona
Bowen Ballis	14	-4.68	Vanderbilt	2		Thomas	Morrison	-6.43	13	Texas		Kyle	An	-5.39	17	UCLA
Billy Abdow	15	-4.71	Georgia	31		Kush	Arora	-6.44	14	Stanford		Carter	Loflin	-5.35	18	Georgia
Wheaton Ennis	16	-4.83	A&M	11		Max	Herendeen	-6.34	15	Illinois		William	Love	-5.34	18	Duke
Grant Gudgel	17	4.78	OSU	16		Connor	Williams	-6.29	16	Arizona State		Zachary	Kingsland	-5.28	19	SMU
Supapon Amor	18	-4.66	Purdue	28		Gaven	Lane	-6.24	17	Oklahoma State		Garrett	Endicott	-5.46	20	Mississippi State
Tyler Spielman	19	-4.59	Auburn	1		Ryder	Cowan	-6.27	18	Oklahoma		Kyo	Morishita	-5.23	20	Iowa State
Trey Marrion	20	-4.47	Illinois	7		Nicholas	Prieto	-6.18	19	Arizona State		Jacob	Sosa	-5.27	20	Texas
Parker Sands	21	-4.48	Florida	9		Jean-Philippe	Parr	-6.18	20	Tennessee		Rylan	Johnson	-5.36	21	Oregon State
Jaden Dumdumaya	22	-4.55	Scal	67		Johnnie	Clark	-6.2	21	Oklahoma State		Mahanth	Chirravuri	-5.1	22	USC
William Ma	23	-4.46	SMU	49		Cayden	Pope	-6.08	22	Auburn		Keaton	Vo	-5.02	23	Texas
Grant Roscich	24	-4.46	UNC	5		Lorenzo	Pinili	-6.13	23	Michigan State		Ethan	Evans	-4.98	24	Duke
Colin Salema	25	-4.43	Clemson	41		Josiah	Gilbert	-6.05	24	Auburn		Boyd	Owens	-4.93	24	Wake Forest
Ethan Paschal	26	-4.3	UNC	5		Kale	Fontenot	-5.93	25	Georgia Tech		William	Sides	-5.15	24	SMU
Alex Long	27	-4.25				Jay	Mendell	-5.86	26	LSU		Nathan	Wang	-4.81	28	Cal Berkeley
Rayhan Latief	28	-4.38				Stanley	Lin	-5.83	27	Oregon State		Mehrbaan	Singh	-4.53	29	Virginia Tech
Drew Miller	29	-4.2	Michigan S	55		Jack	Turner	-5.67	28	Florida		Sam	Dossey	-4.6	31	Baylor
Billy Davis	30	-4.15	Auburn	1		Pongsapak	Laopakdee	-5.74	30	Arizona State		Luke	Haskew	-4.6	33	LSU

verbal - signings.xlsx

[heavy_hitter]

1 hour ago, MahalNeneng said:

Just an update on the "verbals" for 2024, i have added some context from prior 2 years of actual signings (keep in mind that the differentials for the verbals are current (not what they will end up being when signed, as the 2023 and 2022 are)

 

Excerpt (more in attachment)

2024 Verbals						2023 Signings						2022 Signings
Name	JGS Rank	Differential	College	College Rank		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College
Nicholas Gross	1	-8.06	Alabama	17		Jackson	Koivun	-8.82	1	Auburn		Benjamin	James	-7.97	1	Virginia
William jennings	2	-6.5	Alabama	17		Eric	Lee	-8.69	2	Cal - Berkeley		Caleb	Surratt	-7.3	2	Tennessee
Jay Leng	3	-6.54	Stanford	6		Jamison	Tan	-2.56	2	Claremont McKenna		Nick	Dunlap	-7.03	3	Alabama
Byungho Lee	4	-6.17	Pepperdine	14		Ethan	Gao	-7.87	3	Stanford		Luke	Potter	-6.66	4	Arizona State
Matt Moloney	5	-5.75	Georgia	31		Carson	Kim	-7.84	4	USC		Bryan	Lee	-6.56	5	Virginia
Gerado Gomez	6	-5.76	Arkansas	39		Bryan	Kim	-7.59	5	Duke		Wells	Williams	-6.24	6	Vanderbilt
Asher Whitaker	7	-5.67	Oklahoma	15		Preston	Stout	-7.61	6	Oklahoma State		Jase	Summy	-5.83	8	Oklahoma
Logan Kim	8	-5.45	Stanford	6		Ethan	Fang	-7.3	7	Cal - Berkeley		Jonathan	Griz	-5.78	9	Alabama
Eduardo Torres	9	-5.36	Texas	20		P.J.	Maybank	-7.24	8	Oklahoma		Luke	Clanton	-5.7	10	Florida State
Kai hirayama	10	-5.4	Cal	72		Aaron	Pounds	-7.18	9	Texas A & M		Jonas	Appel	-5.73	11	Baylor
Andrew Ramos	11	-5.26	Oklahoma	15		Jack	Usner	-6.74	10	Texas A & M		Matt	Comegys	-5.67	12	Texas Tech
Christian Pardu	12	-4.82	Tennessee	8		Rylan	Shim	-6.66	11	Florida		Cameron	Tankersley	-5.82	14	Ole Miss
Boston Bracken	13	-4.88	ASU	4		Cooper	Jones	-6.84	12	BYU		Filip	Jakubcik	-5.55	15	Arizona
Bowen Ballis	14	-4.68	Vanderbilt	2		Thomas	Morrison	-6.43	13	Texas		Kyle	An	-5.39	17	UCLA
Billy Abdow	15	-4.71	Georgia	31		Kush	Arora	-6.44	14	Stanford		Carter	Loflin	-5.35	18	Georgia
Wheaton Ennis	16	-4.83	A&M	11		Max	Herendeen	-6.34	15	Illinois		William	Love	-5.34	18	Duke
Grant Gudgel	17	4.78	OSU	16		Connor	Williams	-6.29	16	Arizona State		Zachary	Kingsland	-5.28	19	SMU
Supapon Amor	18	-4.66	Purdue	28		Gaven	Lane	-6.24	17	Oklahoma State		Garrett	Endicott	-5.46	20	Mississippi State
Tyler Spielman	19	-4.59	Auburn	1		Ryder	Cowan	-6.27	18	Oklahoma		Kyo	Morishita	-5.23	20	Iowa State
Trey Marrion	20	-4.47	Illinois	7		Nicholas	Prieto	-6.18	19	Arizona State		Jacob	Sosa	-5.27	20	Texas
Parker Sands	21	-4.48	Florida	9		Jean-Philippe	Parr	-6.18	20	Tennessee		Rylan	Johnson	-5.36	21	Oregon State
Jaden Dumdumaya	22	-4.55	Scal	67		Johnnie	Clark	-6.2	21	Oklahoma State		Mahanth	Chirravuri	-5.1	22	USC
William Ma	23	-4.46	SMU	49		Cayden	Pope	-6.08	22	Auburn		Keaton	Vo	-5.02	23	Texas
Grant Roscich	24	-4.46	UNC	5		Lorenzo	Pinili	-6.13	23	Michigan State		Ethan	Evans	-4.98	24	Duke
Colin Salema	25	-4.43	Clemson	41		Josiah	Gilbert	-6.05	24	Auburn		Boyd	Owens	-4.93	24	Wake Forest
Ethan Paschal	26	-4.3	UNC	5		Kale	Fontenot	-5.93	25	Georgia Tech		William	Sides	-5.15	24	SMU
Alex Long	27	-4.25				Jay	Mendell	-5.86	26	LSU		Nathan	Wang	-4.81	28	Cal Berkeley
Rayhan Latief	28	-4.38				Stanley	Lin	-5.83	27	Oregon State		Mehrbaan	Singh	-4.53	29	Virginia Tech
Drew Miller	29	-4.2	Michigan S	55		Jack	Turner	-5.67	28	Florida		Sam	Dossey	-4.6	31	Baylor
Billy Davis	30	-4.15	Auburn	1		Pongsapak	Laopakdee	-5.74	30	Arizona State		Luke	Haskew	-4.6	33	LSU

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This is good stuff.  Thanks.

[leezer99]

My son has played with 3, 8 and 10 on that list. All are really nice kids and the parents are very down to earth. None of them tried to game the system but I can say that one of them has a very detailed outline for success including Excel spreadsheets with crazy amounts of data on junior golf. The guy should probably write a book. 

Edited February 15, 2023 by leezer99
Added context

[allenartlab]

On 2/15/2023 at 8:14 AM, MahalNeneng said:

Just an update on the "verbals" for 2024, i have added some context from prior 2 years of actual signings (keep in mind that the differentials for the verbals are current (not what they will end up being when signed, as the 2023 and 2022 are)

 

Excerpt (more in attachment)

2024 Verbals						2023 Signings						2022 Signings
Name	JGS Rank	Differential	College	College Rank		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College
Nicholas Gross	1	-8.06	Alabama	17		Jackson	Koivun	-8.82	1	Auburn		Benjamin	James	-7.97	1	Virginia
William jennings	2	-6.5	Alabama	17		Eric	Lee	-8.69	2	Cal - Berkeley		Caleb	Surratt	-7.3	2	Tennessee
Jay Leng	3	-6.54	Stanford	6		Jamison	Tan	-2.56	2	Claremont McKenna		Nick	Dunlap	-7.03	3	Alabama
Byungho Lee	4	-6.17	Pepperdine	14		Ethan	Gao	-7.87	3	Stanford		Luke	Potter	-6.66	4	Arizona State
Matt Moloney	5	-5.75	Georgia	31		Carson	Kim	-7.84	4	USC		Bryan	Lee	-6.56	5	Virginia
Gerado Gomez	6	-5.76	Arkansas	39		Bryan	Kim	-7.59	5	Duke		Wells	Williams	-6.24	6	Vanderbilt
Asher Whitaker	7	-5.67	Oklahoma	15		Preston	Stout	-7.61	6	Oklahoma State		Jase	Summy	-5.83	8	Oklahoma
Logan Kim	8	-5.45	Stanford	6		Ethan	Fang	-7.3	7	Cal - Berkeley		Jonathan	Griz	-5.78	9	Alabama
Eduardo Torres	9	-5.36	Texas	20		P.J.	Maybank	-7.24	8	Oklahoma		Luke	Clanton	-5.7	10	Florida State
Kai hirayama	10	-5.4	Cal	72		Aaron	Pounds	-7.18	9	Texas A & M		Jonas	Appel	-5.73	11	Baylor
Andrew Ramos	11	-5.26	Oklahoma	15		Jack	Usner	-6.74	10	Texas A & M		Matt	Comegys	-5.67	12	Texas Tech
Christian Pardu	12	-4.82	Tennessee	8		Rylan	Shim	-6.66	11	Florida		Cameron	Tankersley	-5.82	14	Ole Miss
Boston Bracken	13	-4.88	ASU	4		Cooper	Jones	-6.84	12	BYU		Filip	Jakubcik	-5.55	15	Arizona
Bowen Ballis	14	-4.68	Vanderbilt	2		Thomas	Morrison	-6.43	13	Texas		Kyle	An	-5.39	17	UCLA
Billy Abdow	15	-4.71	Georgia	31		Kush	Arora	-6.44	14	Stanford		Carter	Loflin	-5.35	18	Georgia
Wheaton Ennis	16	-4.83	A&M	11		Max	Herendeen	-6.34	15	Illinois		William	Love	-5.34	18	Duke
Grant Gudgel	17	4.78	OSU	16		Connor	Williams	-6.29	16	Arizona State		Zachary	Kingsland	-5.28	19	SMU
Supapon Amor	18	-4.66	Purdue	28		Gaven	Lane	-6.24	17	Oklahoma State		Garrett	Endicott	-5.46	20	Mississippi State
Tyler Spielman	19	-4.59	Auburn	1		Ryder	Cowan	-6.27	18	Oklahoma		Kyo	Morishita	-5.23	20	Iowa State
Trey Marrion	20	-4.47	Illinois	7		Nicholas	Prieto	-6.18	19	Arizona State		Jacob	Sosa	-5.27	20	Texas
Parker Sands	21	-4.48	Florida	9		Jean-Philippe	Parr	-6.18	20	Tennessee		Rylan	Johnson	-5.36	21	Oregon State
Jaden Dumdumaya	22	-4.55	Scal	67		Johnnie	Clark	-6.2	21	Oklahoma State		Mahanth	Chirravuri	-5.1	22	USC
William Ma	23	-4.46	SMU	49		Cayden	Pope	-6.08	22	Auburn		Keaton	Vo	-5.02	23	Texas
Grant Roscich	24	-4.46	UNC	5		Lorenzo	Pinili	-6.13	23	Michigan State		Ethan	Evans	-4.98	24	Duke
Colin Salema	25	-4.43	Clemson	41		Josiah	Gilbert	-6.05	24	Auburn		Boyd	Owens	-4.93	24	Wake Forest
Ethan Paschal	26	-4.3	UNC	5		Kale	Fontenot	-5.93	25	Georgia Tech		William	Sides	-5.15	24	SMU
Alex Long	27	-4.25				Jay	Mendell	-5.86	26	LSU		Nathan	Wang	-4.81	28	Cal Berkeley
Rayhan Latief	28	-4.38				Stanley	Lin	-5.83	27	Oregon State		Mehrbaan	Singh	-4.53	29	Virginia Tech
Drew Miller	29	-4.2	Michigan S	55		Jack	Turner	-5.67	28	Florida		Sam	Dossey	-4.6	31	Baylor
Billy Davis	30	-4.15	Auburn	1		Pongsapak	Laopakdee	-5.74	30	Arizona State		Luke	Haskew	-4.6	33	LSU

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Very interesting. May I ask what is the source of your information? Especially for 2024 since I don't find all of them in AJGA yet. 

[wegobomber31]

4 hours ago, allenartlab said:

Very interesting. May I ask what is the source of your information? Especially for 2024 since I don't find all of them in AJGA yet. 

Most of them have posted their verbals on Instagram, and there's an IG account that tracks them.

 

Alex Long - Texas A&M as of last week

[leezer99]

2 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

Most of them have posted their verbals on Instagram, and there's an IG account that tracks them.

 

Alex Long - Texas A&M as of last week

Met one of the Texas A&M boys that played at Riv last week. Very nice and respectful kid.

Edited February 22, 2023 by leezer99

[MahalNeneng]

13 hours ago, allenartlab said:

Very interesting. May I ask what is the source of your information? Especially for 2024 since I don't find all of them in AJGA yet. 

The power of social media

[Wasted_Talent]

On 2/15/2023 at 10:14 AM, MahalNeneng said:

Just an update on the "verbals" for 2024, i have added some context from prior 2 years of actual signings (keep in mind that the differentials for the verbals are current (not what they will end up being when signed, as the 2023 and 2022 are)

 

Excerpt (more in attachment)

2024 Verbals						2023 Signings						2022 Signings
Name	JGS Rank	Differential	College	College Rank		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College
Nicholas Gross	1	-8.06	Alabama	17		Jackson	Koivun	-8.82	1	Auburn		Benjamin	James	-7.97	1	Virginia
William jennings	2	-6.5	Alabama	17		Eric	Lee	-8.69	2	Cal - Berkeley		Caleb	Surratt	-7.3	2	Tennessee
Jay Leng	3	-6.54	Stanford	6		Jamison	Tan	-2.56	2	Claremont McKenna		Nick	Dunlap	-7.03	3	Alabama
Byungho Lee	4	-6.17	Pepperdine	14		Ethan	Gao	-7.87	3	Stanford		Luke	Potter	-6.66	4	Arizona State
Matt Moloney	5	-5.75	Georgia	31		Carson	Kim	-7.84	4	USC		Bryan	Lee	-6.56	5	Virginia
Gerado Gomez	6	-5.76	Arkansas	39		Bryan	Kim	-7.59	5	Duke		Wells	Williams	-6.24	6	Vanderbilt
Asher Whitaker	7	-5.67	Oklahoma	15		Preston	Stout	-7.61	6	Oklahoma State		Jase	Summy	-5.83	8	Oklahoma
Logan Kim	8	-5.45	Stanford	6		Ethan	Fang	-7.3	7	Cal - Berkeley		Jonathan	Griz	-5.78	9	Alabama
Eduardo Torres	9	-5.36	Texas	20		P.J.	Maybank	-7.24	8	Oklahoma		Luke	Clanton	-5.7	10	Florida State
Kai hirayama	10	-5.4	Cal	72		Aaron	Pounds	-7.18	9	Texas A & M		Jonas	Appel	-5.73	11	Baylor
Andrew Ramos	11	-5.26	Oklahoma	15		Jack	Usner	-6.74	10	Texas A & M		Matt	Comegys	-5.67	12	Texas Tech
Christian Pardu	12	-4.82	Tennessee	8		Rylan	Shim	-6.66	11	Florida		Cameron	Tankersley	-5.82	14	Ole Miss
Boston Bracken	13	-4.88	ASU	4		Cooper	Jones	-6.84	12	BYU		Filip	Jakubcik	-5.55	15	Arizona
Bowen Ballis	14	-4.68	Vanderbilt	2		Thomas	Morrison	-6.43	13	Texas		Kyle	An	-5.39	17	UCLA
Billy Abdow	15	-4.71	Georgia	31		Kush	Arora	-6.44	14	Stanford		Carter	Loflin	-5.35	18	Georgia
Wheaton Ennis	16	-4.83	A&M	11		Max	Herendeen	-6.34	15	Illinois		William	Love	-5.34	18	Duke
Grant Gudgel	17	4.78	OSU	16		Connor	Williams	-6.29	16	Arizona State		Zachary	Kingsland	-5.28	19	SMU
Supapon Amor	18	-4.66	Purdue	28		Gaven	Lane	-6.24	17	Oklahoma State		Garrett	Endicott	-5.46	20	Mississippi State
Tyler Spielman	19	-4.59	Auburn	1		Ryder	Cowan	-6.27	18	Oklahoma		Kyo	Morishita	-5.23	20	Iowa State
Trey Marrion	20	-4.47	Illinois	7		Nicholas	Prieto	-6.18	19	Arizona State		Jacob	Sosa	-5.27	20	Texas
Parker Sands	21	-4.48	Florida	9		Jean-Philippe	Parr	-6.18	20	Tennessee		Rylan	Johnson	-5.36	21	Oregon State
Jaden Dumdumaya	22	-4.55	Scal	67		Johnnie	Clark	-6.2	21	Oklahoma State		Mahanth	Chirravuri	-5.1	22	USC
William Ma	23	-4.46	SMU	49		Cayden	Pope	-6.08	22	Auburn		Keaton	Vo	-5.02	23	Texas
Grant Roscich	24	-4.46	UNC	5		Lorenzo	Pinili	-6.13	23	Michigan State		Ethan	Evans	-4.98	24	Duke
Colin Salema	25	-4.43	Clemson	41		Josiah	Gilbert	-6.05	24	Auburn		Boyd	Owens	-4.93	24	Wake Forest
Ethan Paschal	26	-4.3	UNC	5		Kale	Fontenot	-5.93	25	Georgia Tech		William	Sides	-5.15	24	SMU
Alex Long	27	-4.25				Jay	Mendell	-5.86	26	LSU		Nathan	Wang	-4.81	28	Cal Berkeley
Rayhan Latief	28	-4.38				Stanley	Lin	-5.83	27	Oregon State		Mehrbaan	Singh	-4.53	29	Virginia Tech
Drew Miller	29	-4.2	Michigan S	55		Jack	Turner	-5.67	28	Florida		Sam	Dossey	-4.6	31	Baylor
Billy Davis	30	-4.15	Auburn	1		Pongsapak	Laopakdee	-5.74	30	Arizona State		Luke	Haskew	-4.6	33	LSU

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Number 25 and 26 on the 2023 signings list are on the same high school team.  We play together all the time at our course.  Great kids and great players.

[golferdad8]

On 2/14/2023 at 6:57 PM, chetschwalm said:

My recent data point is that the top 3 Ivies want 1500 and close to unweighted 4.00 GPA taking rigorous courses, where the other 4 are more flexible. One ivy even said SAT not required. 

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They wouldn’t offer before SAT was taken. Also they both told my son they would offer him immediately if he scored a certain number. The one coach said 1410 minimum. The other said 1400’s. 

 

[golferdad8]

On 2/8/2023 at 5:32 AM, SKF said:

Any insight into why the kid with the -4 differential and multiple wins hasn't received offers?  Is he holding out for something better out-of-state?  

Are you sure the kid hasn't received any offers? I know of 2 top socal kids - one with offers from many D1 big name programs (but most of them offered little/no money) so he just committed this month to an out of state non-academic school. The other one is a top top player with ivy offer but he's not saying anything until the admissions completes his "pre-read." 

[leezer99]

3 hours ago, golferdad8 said:

Are you sure the kid hasn't received any offers? I know of 2 top socal kids - one with offers from many D1 big name programs (but most of them offered little/no money) so he just committed this month to an out of state non-academic school. The other one is a top top player with ivy offer but he's not saying anything until the admissions completes his "pre-read." 

 

Yes, BH signed with CSU.

[SeveBallasterossss]

My Son is a 2024 that has verbally committed to a mid level DI golf program.  He was not playing great when he committed and felt a bit of pressure to do so. Since, he is playing a lot better and is starting to think that he sold himself a bit short.  that, coupled with the fact that the coach, who is in constant communication with his two other recruits, does not really reach out to my son at all. 

 

I know it's poor form for him to reach out to other coaches at this point to see what else is out there but is it really? 

 

has anyone experienced this?  

[iteachgolf]

46 minutes ago, SeveBallasterossss said:

My Son is a 2024 that has verbally committed to a mid level DI golf program.  He was not playing great when he committed and felt a bit of pressure to do so. Since, he is playing a lot better and is starting to think that he sold himself a bit short.  that, coupled with the fact that the coach, who is in constant communication with his two other recruits, does not really reach out to my son at all. 

 

I know it's poor form for him to reach out to other coaches at this point to see what else is out there but is it really? 

 

has anyone experienced this?  

Tread carefully, but a verbal isn’t the same as actually being signed.  How each coach will view the situation is different. I’ve had several players that have been verbally committed for a while be approached by bigger schools trying to lure them away at the last minute. 

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

7 hours ago, SeveBallasterossss said:

My Son is a 2024 that has verbally committed to a mid level DI golf program.  He was not playing great when he committed and felt a bit of pressure to do so. Since, he is playing a lot better and is starting to think that he sold himself a bit short.  that, coupled with the fact that the coach, who is in constant communication with his two other recruits, does not really reach out to my son at all. 

 

I know it's poor form for him to reach out to other coaches at this point to see what else is out there but is it really? 

 

has anyone experienced this?  

I would add a like teach mentioned.  A verbal commit is nothing.  He could never contact your son again and that's it.

 

To add pressure has other schools reached out to your son?  It's a two way street IMHO.  Once he signs then its a one year commit for Div 1 and 2.

 

Is there a reason no one is other coaches haven't reached out to him?  How is his recruiting profiles or social media? My daughter is a 2023 and we requested all profiles be erased as folks were still emailing even after she made it know she had committed.

 

Any on course issues that might have gotten back to the coach or other coaches?

 

 

 

 

[leezer99]

7 hours ago, SeveBallasterossss said:

My Son is a 2024 that has verbally committed to a mid level DI golf program.  He was not playing great when he committed and felt a bit of pressure to do so. Since, he is playing a lot better and is starting to think that he sold himself a bit short.  that, coupled with the fact that the coach, who is in constant communication with his two other recruits, does not really reach out to my son at all. 

 

I know it's poor form for him to reach out to other coaches at this point to see what else is out there but is it really? 

 

has anyone experienced this?  

Like triple said, I think he needs to stay committed if no one is actively recruiting him. Is there a reason other coaches haven’t reached out? Between scores, on course behavior and social media there has to be something turning them off. 

You have to understand that all these coaches know each other. I’d tread carefully. 

[golfortennis]

Gotta agree that if your son "sold himself short" by committing when he did, yet his improved play has not gotten him any interest, there must be a reason.

 

There's a scene in Justified where the Marshal is telling a suspect essentially if the first person you meet in a day is an Word not allowedhole, well he might just be an Word not allowedhole.  But if everyone you meet that day is an Word not allowedhole, then you're the Word not allowedhole.  Now I don't know you, your family, whatever, and I'm not calling you an Word not allowedhole by any means, but basically if *no* coaches have seen fit to contact him despite his improved play, I might start by checking to see if there is anything from your side that might be a red flag to a coach, and address it.  If he is playing as well as you say, then something is turning coaches away.

 

Apologies if that is harsh, but is your son making it easy for them to ignore him?

[leezer99]

1 hour ago, golfortennis said:

Gotta agree that if your son "sold himself short" by committing when he did, yet his improved play has not gotten him any interest, there must be a reason.

 

There's a scene in Justified where the Marshal is telling a suspect essentially if the first person you meet in a day is an Word not allowedhole, well he might just be an Word not allowedhole.  But if everyone you meet that day is an Word not allowedhole, then you're the Word not allowedhole.  Now I don't know you, your family, whatever, and I'm not calling you an Word not allowedhole by any means, but basically if *no* coaches have seen fit to contact him despite his improved play, I might start by checking to see if there is anything from your side that might be a red flag to a coach, and address it.  If he is playing as well as you say, then something is turning coaches away.

 

Apologies if that is harsh, but is your son making it easy for them to ignore him?

I once heard someone say that if you’re marching in the military and everyone around you is out of step then you’re the one out of step. 

[Jkhogbear]

I have no idea what these last comments even mean but recruiting is odd.  Golf seems to have more ethics than college football .  If your son has a solid verbal, other schools know about this and generally respect it.  There are some exceptions.   Don’t ever forget the one that noticed you first and valued your son.  That means a lot.  Coaches take chances on kids and by that offer that coach saw something others didn’t. 

[tssgj65]

Be grateful for the opportunity.  It was thought to be a good opportunity at the time the verbal commitment was made.  Maybe make the traveling squad sooner and get to play sooner than later.  Given the portal, these days there are many more looking for a place to play due to not competing well - always the ones that haven't got the playing time in the Program they signed with.

 

Competition is Competition - WIN where you are and things tend to work out great!!!

[golfortennis]

10 hours ago, tssgj65 said:

Be grateful for the opportunity.  It was thought to be a good opportunity at the time the verbal commitment was made.  Maybe make the traveling squad sooner and get to play sooner than later.  Given the portal, these days there are many more looking for a place to play due to not competing well - always the ones that haven't got the playing time in the Program they signed with.

 

Competition is Competition - WIN where you are and things tend to work out great!!!

 

You're giving coaches far too much benefit of the doubt in terms of their impact on the "not competing well."  Power trips, playing favorites, being more interested in their resumes than the "student-athlete development" pabulum they preach.  "grateful for the opportunity"... you're probably one of these people who think it's a "privilege" to play in a professional league.  The privilege is in being blessed with the talent to play at that level, not in someone deciding to make money off that talent. 

[leezer99]

4 hours ago, golfortennis said:

 

You're giving coaches far too much benefit of the doubt in terms of their impact on the "not competing well."  Power trips, playing favorites, being more interested in their resumes than the "student-athlete development" pabulum they preach.  "grateful for the opportunity"... you're probably one of these people who think it's a "privilege" to play in a professional league.  The privilege is in being blessed with the talent to play at that level, not in someone deciding to make money off that talent. 

 

Lets not forget that these coaches have to put food on the table and that is shouldered by the 17 and 18 year olds that they recruit. I can't imagine putting my life and livelihood on the back of a teenager.