Takeaway is an absolute mess. Help

[Rdailey9108]

Definitely think it's time for another lesson, but everything I try my takeaway always looks awful. It causes my sequence to be all over the place. Here's me at shaft parallel.

 

 Hands away from body, shaft too far outside hands. Somehow I can shot low 80s with this garbage swing. I also notice my hips get too active too soon. 

[getitdaily]

That's not shaft parallel. Your issue is how active your hips are. At p1 you've already rotated your hips as far as they need to go. I can only imagine how much more your hips rotate from where you are right there. 

[Rdailey9108]

37 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

That's not shaft parallel. Your issue is how active your hips are. At p1 you've already rotated your hips as far as they need to go. I can only imagine how much more your hips rotate from where you are right there. 

Yep huge problem too. No idea how to fix it.

[getitdaily]

31 minutes ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Yep huge problem too. No idea how to fix it.

Have the feeling of keeping your belt buckle pointed at the ball until you get to p2 (shaft parallel). Do it slowly in your living room 100 times a day.

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Definitely think it's time for another lesson, but everything I try my takeaway always looks awful. It causes my sequence to be all over the place. Here's me at shaft parallel.

 

 Hands away from body, shaft too far outside hands. Somehow I can shot low 80s with this garbage swing. I also notice my hips get too active too soon. 

Most elite golfers have the sequence in reverse in the backswing because the club has the farthest to travel and the hips the least.  You have zero club head movement there.  You need early club movement and hand movement to get rid of this.  Earlier hinge.

 

Another victim of the one piece takeaway cliche.

[Sean124]

My hips love moving early. I have to feel like  my hands “drag” the rest of my body into position. 

[Ifelloffladder]

2 hours ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Definitely think it's time for another lesson, but everything I try my takeaway always looks awful. It causes my sequence to be all over the place. Here's me at shaft parallel.

 

 Hands away from body, shaft too far outside hands. Somehow I can shot low 80s with this garbage swing. I also notice my hips get too active too soon. 

You scoring low 80 has a lot to do with how good equipment has become and your putting. I doubt you'd get the same distance with older irons and driver of those 190cc driver(or persimmons before that) era with that swing.  That is how good equipment is today.

[Chunkitgood]

You need more positive mental attitude.  I don’t want to hear you talking about your swing that way again.

 

My guess is you’re trying to keep the club face shut.

 

Lots of good players start by turning the stomach away.  Can you turn your stomach without turning your hips?

[chipa]

I have tried so long to make the one piece takeaway work because that's how 99.99% of the golf instruction tells us how it's done.

 

However, recently after many years of trying different techniques I tried a forward press and now my mechanics are to the point where I am certain I can lower my hc soon.

 

I had tried the forward press before but only after learning to keep my left wrist really flexible (Manny Torres) and also keep my right hand completely passive on the club (Bobby Jones) did this technique start working. I once tried it back in the 90's based on an article I read in Golf Digest but quit because I couldn't make it work and no one else was teaching it.

 

BTW, the forward press also sets the legs ready to resist, so this helps the lower body as well.

[Rdailey9108]

4 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Most elite golfers have the sequence in reverse in the backswing because the club has the farthest to travel and the hips the least.  You have zero club head movement there.  You need early club movement and hand movement to get rid of this.  Earlier hinge.

 

Another victim of the one piece takeaway cliche.

Thanks Monte. 

 

Should I try to feel like my wrists hinge immediately with very little body movement? Maybe really exaggerate it I'm guessing. I know what I'll be working on at work tomorrow.

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Thanks Monte. 

 

Should I try to feel like my wrists hinge immediately with very little body movement? Maybe really exaggerate it I'm guessing. I know what I'll be working on at work tomorrow.

Likely yes

[chipa]

11 hours ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Thanks Monte. 

 

Should I try to feel like my wrists hinge immediately with very little body movement? Maybe really exaggerate it I'm guessing. I know what I'll be working on at work tomorrow.

 

I switched to this method 3 years ago as I couldn't do the one piece takeaway. It's working good now though after a lot of trial and error, my advice is to keep the left wrist loose and the left hand in control, ie don't use the right hand to waggle it just sits on the club, and during the takeway the left hand knuckles go down initially so the club stays low to the ground. I had a tendency to pick the club straight up which doesn't always allow the outside of the left arm and hand to line up and load well, thus giving up a lot of "pop" through impact with the hands and arms.

 

My swing model for the setup and takeaway is John Daly, except my swing is a lot shorter of course. BTW, Daly does a small forward press that may help you set the hands like it does for me.

[Rdailey9108]

Well decided to hit a few while waiting for lunch to be done. Felt so handsy but man the swing looks better already. Thoughts? 

 

 

 

 

[Zitlow]

Early hinging of the hands is a band aid, the hands (wrists) should be synchronized with the other joints.

 

You're locked up before you ever start the club back, getting rid of the tension would be a big step in the right direction. 

  

 

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Zitlow

[MonteScheinblum]

4 hours ago, Rdailey9108 said:

Well decided to hit a few while waiting for lunch to be done. Felt so handsy but man the swing looks better already. Thoughts? 

 

 

 

 

Better

[JetPilot]

On 12/3/2022 at 2:44 PM, Rdailey9108 said:

Definitely think it's time for another lesson, but everything I try my takeaway always looks awful. It causes my sequence to be all over the place. Here's me at shaft parallel.

 

 Hands away from body, shaft too far outside hands. Somehow I can shot low 80s with this garbage swing. I also notice my hips get too active too soon. 

FWIW, the only thing that fixed my takeaway was doing nothing but placing the club at the 7 o'clock position in the NTC instruction.  I'm not sure if this is in anyway shape or form, correct...but I started think about letting my body react to the correct club position....not using my body to put the club in position.  But, I had serious over rotation issues.  

[WSP25]

Little late to the party, but I like to use Justin Thomas takeaway and drill as a model to follow. Look at the 1:24 mark.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by WSP25

[kowalgolf]

Put your right hand on or just above your right knee. Hold club in left hand and swing to roughly arm parallel to ground with club roughly 90 degrees to arm without moving hand from knee. Should improve wrist hinge if you LET IT. Your out of sequence with your wrists and hips. That's kind of the easy part, wait till you start the transition and DS. UGH. If you improve your sequence hit balls with trail arm only then both arms rinse and repeat.

[MoneyMan300]

Looks like a good spot for the Faldo drill.  Get a feel for for the wrist hinge and then start blending it in with a turn.

[Kuuuch]

How Dan had me work on wrist hinge was the easiest way I’ve heard of…take a wedge and hit some 40-50 yard shots while keeping the arms nice and wide but getting a full 90* of wrist set. Hands shouldn’t travel much more than waist high. If you think about setting them gradually and still getting 90* of wrist set by hip high, it shouldn’t feel handsy for long. 
 

I personally thought wrist set was one of the toughest things I’ve ever fixed because it’s so easy to set them correctly but let the right arm fold too much and you end up getting narrow. 
 

The drill I mentioned makes it very easy. Best part about it is you really can’t overdo it either. I have probably hit 1000 shots like this 😂 hope this helps 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Kuuuch

[Rdailey9108]

So decided to hit some what I felt were waist high shots feeling like my wrists hinged at a 45 degree angle (like AMG mention to do) and I definitely noticed a difference. 

 

This felt waist high 

Absolutely mind boggling. Guess I'll be sticking to hitting shots like this until this feel is almost a full swing. Basically like the drill that everybody likes from Dan.