The pulling putts saga continues

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

Help a guy out…

 

majority of putts are left off the bat, end over end roll does not exist.

[Zitlow]

Too rigid with your lower body and don't move the handle back and forth, the putter should work like a pendulum. The butt of the putter is the pivot point. 

 

Also, confidence is the key. We've all played with enough people to tell by their body language who's going to make putts and who doesn't have a chance to make a putt. 

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 2023 by Zitlow

[ac6]

IMO this is stemming from your setup--though eyes above ball is textbook, your hands appear to be inside your shoulder line. Ideally your hands are straight under for a straight back, straight through stroke, or they are slightly in front of your shoulders for a slight arc stroke. On your backswing you're manipulating the club to take it straight back straight/square, but since your hands want to be on that shoulder line or slightly outside it, on the downswing you loop the hands outside and then come outside-in, causing that pull. You are also fighting the design of your putter, which naturally wants to arc the other way. 

 

 

Try standing up just a little taller and raising the handle slightly to get your shoulders aligned over your hands. Your eye line may move slightly inside the target line, but for an arced stroke that can work just fine. 

Edited July 25, 2023 by ac6

[MonteScheinblum]

You’re rerouting the putter head out.  Get a putting arc where your putter head needs to stay on the board 

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

9 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

You’re rerouting the putter head out.  Get a putting arc where your putter head needs to stay on the board 

Thanks monte, i have a visio putting mat that will do the trick.

[iacas]

On 7/25/2023 at 4:49 PM, Zitlow said:

The butt of the putter is the pivot point.

 

Goodness, no. I'm hoping you mis-typed something there.

 

On 7/25/2023 at 5:52 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

You’re rerouting the putter head out.  Get a putting arc where your putter head needs to stay on the board 

 

Yeah, then heeling it with a left path. Your change of direction is not great.

[mark m]

I would just add one thing to ac6 set up: check your right elbow position. In the photos you have black clothes on and it’s hard to tell. And while there are many ways to putt, many good players have their right elbow pretty open. But if you are jamming yourself in your set-up this could be the issue.

 

Years ago I played with a top instructor in the State Open - Peter Krause - and I pulled a few. He told me later, “tuck your right” elbow. Just last Sunday, I said the same to my partner/friend who was pulling putts. He birdied 3 of the last 4. Anyway, experiment a little with your set-up and good luck.

 

 

[getitdaily]

Lead shoulder opens too soon. You can see open shoulders before impact.

 

You need to take a page out of Brian harmon's book and hit hook putts over and over.

 

 

[Zitlow]

The putting stoke like the full swing should be a rhythmic, flowing, synergistic motion of loading and unloading the weight of the club not a series of uncoordinated mechanical positions. 

 

The stiff as a board look from their full swings carries over to their putting stroke because they don't know how to load and unload the club which is why their putting strokes look like crap. 

 

 

 

@iacas Maybe this will help you understand what the pivot point of a pendulum is.

 

 

 

 

 

[iacas]

25 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

@iacas Maybe this will help you understand what the pivot point of a pendulum is.

 

 

I don't need help understanding that you're wrong about this:

 

On 7/25/2023 at 4:49 PM, Zitlow said:

The butt of the putter is the pivot point. 

 

[joemcsorleypreswickGC]

21 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Lead shoulder opens too soon. You can see open shoulders before impact.

 

You need to take a page out of Brian harmon's book and hit hook putts over and over.

 

 

Thanks for the reply, I have toyed with this but I still struggle to roll end over end, I did get a lesson that said to feel more tilt than rotation on my downstroke, any tips or drill to help feel squared shoulders at impact would be appreciated

[getitdaily]

10 minutes ago, joemcsorleypreswickGC said:

Thanks for the reply, I have toyed with this but I still struggle to roll end over end, I did get a lesson that said to feel more tilt than rotation on my downstroke, any tips or drill to help feel squared shoulders at impact would be appreciated

Others likely have some better thoughts than me. But for starters...

 

1. Posture more bent over will promote more tilt and less rotation 

2. On a straight putt, Practice the feel of the handle moving toward the right edge of the cup through impact. But you have to be on an inside arc on the backswing or you'll just heel everything. 

3. Stop the putter head immediately after contact and feel a like the right rib cage doesn't move at all. Do this right and you'll feel pressure in your right ribcage at and after impact.

 

Overall it's about getting the HANDLE to track more down the line than inside after impact.

Edited July 29, 2023 by getitdaily

[RoyalTroon]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

I don't need help understanding that you're wrong about this:

 

No he's not, far from it.

 

1 hour ago, Zitlow said:

@iacas Maybe this will help you understand what the pivot point of a pendulum is.

 

 

 

You'll have to dumb it down even further for him.  Maybe spot him the pivot and arm, leaving only the bob. 

[tatertot]

On 7/25/2023 at 4:52 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

You’re rerouting the putter head out.  Get a putting arc where your putter head needs to stay on the board 

Lot's of noise ... but the answer is pretty simple. Head of putter is being rerouted.

[Feelingofgreatness]

You are handle-dragging.

The butt end of the grip should always be pointing at your belly button

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, tatertot said:

Lot's of noise ... but the answer is pretty simple. Head of putter is being rerouted.

Yeah, that’s what I said, exactly.

[tatertot]

13 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Yeah, that’s what I said, exactly.

That's why I quoted it ... People talked over it, you already answered it. 

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, tatertot said:

That's why I quoted it ... People talked over it, you already answered it. 

LOL.  I shouldn’t post after fighting with my ex wife.

[ac6]

On 7/28/2023 at 11:59 AM, mark m said:

I would just add one thing to ac6 set up: check your right elbow position. In the photos you have black clothes on and it’s hard to tell. And while there are many ways to putt, many good players have their right elbow pretty open. But if you are jamming yourself in your set-up this could be the issue.

 

Years ago I played with a top instructor in the State Open - Peter Krause - and I pulled a few. He told me later, “tuck your right” elbow. Just last Sunday, I said the same to my partner/friend who was pulling putts. He birdied 3 of the last 4. Anyway, experiment a little with your set-up and good luck.

 

 

 

Yeah, externally rotating the right elbow will help. If you're internally rotated, your trail hand tends to move outside and then close the face, even if the grip at address is the same. Like Monte and others noted, you're rerouting out. Gotta set up in a way that makes it easy for your body to do what you want it to do 

[bladehunter]

7 hours ago, iacas said:

 

I don't need help understanding that you're wrong about this:

 

 

Genuine question.  Aren’t you too showing the same thing? The butt of the club is lined up with the lead peck/shoulder area.  Which I’m assuming is where you’re saying the pivot actually is ?  

[SNIPERBBB]

54 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Genuine question.  Aren’t you too showing the same thing? The butt of the club is lined up with the lead peck/shoulder area.  Which I’m assuming is where you’re saying the pivot actually is ?  

 

54 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Genuine question.  Aren’t you too showing the same thing? The butt of the club is lined up with the lead peck/shoulder area.  Which I’m assuming is where you’re saying the pivot actually is ?  

Might be showing the same but saying " butt of the club is the pivot" implies that the arms are stationary and you're swinging the club with the hands only.

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, SNIPERBBB said:

 

Might be showing the same but saying " butt of the club is the pivot" implies that the arms are stationary and you're swinging the club with the hands only.

Yeah. I can see that now which is why I commented. Or asked.  But I understood his original post too.  And I didn’t think at all the meant that the hands only flipped at the ball. So just a communication error.  
 

it’s funny. Because I think of it just how he said it. As in club only. Not the body. I’ve come to understand that I’m in the minority with that thinking.  But I’m that way full swing too.  I’m thinking what the club is doing. Not what I’m doing to make the club do what it’s doing. .  If that makes sense.  
 

 

[SNIPERBBB]

17 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Yeah. I can see that now which is why I commented. Or asked.  But I understood his original post too.  And I didn’t think at all the meant that the hands only flipped at the ball. So just a communication error.  
 

it’s funny. Because I think of it just how he said it. As in club only. Not the body. I’ve come to understand that I’m in the minority with that thinking.  But I’m that way full swing too.  I’m thinking what the club is doing. Not what I’m doing to make the club do what it’s doing. .  If that makes sense.  
 

 

It does make sense.

[iacas]

35 minutes ago, SNIPERBBB said:

Might be showing the same but saying " butt of the club is the pivot" implies that the arms are stationary and you're swinging the club with the hands only.

 

Yes. The pivot point in a putting stroke is up around the shoulders (generally) and often a bit toward the lead side slightly. It is not the butt end of the club as has been said here.

 

A pivot point is the point at which everything pivots around. It's essentially stationary and it's often a few feet from the BoC.

 

[mark m]

4 hours ago, ac6 said:

 

Yeah, externally rotating the right elbow will help. If you're internally rotated, your trail hand tends to move outside and then close the face, even if the grip at address is the same. Like Monte and others noted, you're rerouting out. Gotta set up in a way that makes it easy for your body to do what you want it to do 

Thanks. You explain it better than I did. I hope the OP tries it. As you say, a good set up will help produce a good path.

 

Peter’s advice was gold for me. I may be unique, but the tucking or “external rotation” of my right elbow puts a little tension and “feel” into the muscles in the inside portion of the right forearm, and for me, this is my throttle. My gas pedal. (The left hand/wrist being the steering wheel.) I hope this helps. 
 

Hope you all have great Saturday evening!

 

 

Edited July 30, 2023 by mark m

[Zitlow]

I've never seen a good putter drag the handle back and forth and I've never seen a good putter who is stiff and rigid over the ball. 

 

For me putting is about touch and feel. I use my right hand and arm to get the putter head swinging in a pendulum motion.

 

 

 

[iacas]

10 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

I've never seen a good putter drag the handle back and forth and I've never seen a good putter who is stiff and rigid over the ball. 

 

For me putting is about touch and feel. I use my right hand and arm to get the putter head swinging in a pendulum motion.

 

Nice straw men. Now respond to stuff that's actually been posted.

[Nard_S]

The pace of stroke is off, too fast back for either transition or through stroke. Lots of deceleration to impact, too much, not a positive or helpful with path & face or re-route.. 

[bladehunter]

Where do these intersecting lines get drawn in someone like Jack who loads and unloads the hands ?  

[Zitlow]

52 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Where do these intersecting lines get drawn in someone like Jack who loads and unloads the hands ?  

 

The OP has an arm stroke and doesn't load and unload (release) the putter head very well. He probably has the same tendencies in his golf swing.