Paradym std driver - draw biased CoG?

[getitdaily]

Anyone know?

[MattM97]

FLIGHT
NEUTRAL FLIGHT BIAS (ADJUSTABLE)

 

 

From Callaway site. 

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, MattM97 said:

FLIGHT
NEUTRAL FLIGHT BIAS (ADJUSTABLE)

 

 

From Callaway site. 

Thanks. Guess I could have found that myself...lol. Not a callaway guy so I have no idea what they usually put on their site

[MattM97]

Just now, getitdaily said:

Thanks. Guess I could have found that myself...lol. Not a callaway guy so I have no idea what they usually put on their site

 

Every club these days has all the info usually, just have to scroll down to the bottom. 

[shaolingolfer]

I think Johnny actually said it in one of the you tube video, it is the most fade bias of all 3 drivers.

[Phebus]

The Paradym X is the draw biased model. 

[03trdblack]

The standard Paradym with the weight slider in the neutral position has a CG face projection measurement of 3mm heel side which would make it ever so slightly draw biased.

 

If you move the sliding weight to the fade position, the CG moves from 3mm heel side to 1mm toe side so around 4mm of movement and slightly fade biased but really more neutral.

 

If you move the slider to the max draw position, the CG moves 7mm heel side which is much more draw biased. 

[getitdaily]

18 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

The standard Paradym with the weight slider in the neutral position has a CG face projection measurement of 3mm heel side which would make it ever so slightly draw biased.

 

If you move the sliding weight to the fade position, the CG moves from 3mm heel side to 1mm toe side so around 4mm of movement and slightly fade biased but really more neutral.

 

If you move the slider to the max draw position, the CG moves 7mm heel side which is much more draw biased. 

This aligns with what I've observed. 

[Valtiel]

28 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

The standard Paradym with the weight slider in the neutral position has a CG face projection measurement of 3mm heel side which would make it ever so slightly draw biased.

 

If you move the sliding weight to the fade position, the CG moves from 3mm heel side to 1mm toe side so around 4mm of movement and slightly fade biased but really more neutral.

 

If you move the slider to the max draw position, the CG moves 7mm heel side which is much more draw biased. 

 

9 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

This aligns with what I've observed. 

Based on all the leftover Driver CG report data i'd add that 3mm likely constitutes a little more than "ever so slightly", not by much though. 3mm heel side lines up with quite a few drivers in their "draw" settings, and 7mm heel side is VERY draw biased. The ability to neutralize that bias however in the "fade" setting is nice, like inverse of what a number of TM staffers did with the M5. 

[rlb4]

So where would the CG of the Paradym X be?

[shaolingolfer]

 

At 6 minute mark.

[AngryGilmore]

Not sure but if it's an STD driver, I hope penicillin gets rid of it. 

 

I'll see myself out.

[coreyhr]

13 hours ago, Valtiel said:

 

Based on all the leftover Driver CG report data i'd add that 3mm likely constitutes a little more than "ever so slightly", not by much though. 3mm heel side lines up with quite a few drivers in their "draw" settings, and 7mm heel side is VERY draw biased. The ability to neutralize that bias however in the "fade" setting is nice, like inverse of what a number of TM staffers did with the M5. 

Where can this Driver CG report be found? I know "the other site" use to do one annually, but I haven't seen one on there in a couple of years it seems.

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, coreyhr said:

Where can this Driver CG report be found? I know "the other site" use to do one annually, but I haven't seen one on there in a couple of years it seems.

That’s the one I was referring to, yeah. Nothing new since 2019 but enough data to show the range of what has been considered neutral/draw/fade biased over the course of several years. 

[coreyhr]

54 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

That’s the one I was referring to, yeah. Nothing new since 2019 but enough data to show the range of what has been considered neutral/draw/fade biased over the course of several years. 

Gotcha, thanks. The previous poster was stating how many mm each weight adjustment specifically changed the CG. Thought maybe there was a new report that showed what he was referring to. I wish they would start doing those again. I've lost pretty much all interest in that site these days, but that is the one thing I miss seeing. 

[getitdaily]

I'll say this...same shaft, paradym std launches higher and spins a couple hundred rpm more than s2+. Same ballspeed.

 

I saw 6 yards more carry in testing Monday. Launch was about 2 degrees higher than s2+. Gonna keep toying with it. If I can get spin down 200-300 rpm and keep launch up then this thing may have some juice.

Edited November 29, 2023 by getitdaily

[03trdblack]

3 hours ago, coreyhr said:

Where can this Driver CG report be found? I know "the other site" use to do one annually, but I haven't seen one on there in a couple of years it seems.

 

I measured the head on an Auditor CG surveying tool.  It wasn't from the report that the spy website used to do.

[coreyhr]

1 hour ago, 03trdblack said:

 

I measured the head on an Auditor CG surveying tool.  It wasn't from the report that the spy website used to do.

Very cool. This inevitably sent me down a rabbit hole of CG locator tools. I'm not one to shy away from club building/tinkering tools, but those may be just a little bit outside of my price range. Haha. 

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, coreyhr said:

Gotcha, thanks. The previous poster was stating how many mm each weight adjustment specifically changed the CG. Thought maybe there was a new report that showed what he was referring to. I wish they would start doing those again. I've lost pretty much all interest in that site these days, but that is the one thing I miss seeing. 

The millimeter movement heel/toe is one the things they start including in those reports before they stopped:



We can draw some general conclusions from this:

1) A very slight draw bias (about 1-2mm heel side) is the center point
2) Draw bias in general is both slightly favored and often pushed further than fade biases. 
3) The amount of movement left/right possible with some of these heads (the G410 in particular) gives us an idea of what some the widest adjustable ranges are. 

This all makes sense from a general market standpoint. The average consumer doesn't benefit from strong fade bias and more extreme draw biases therefore are more common. 
 

33 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

 

I measured the head on an Auditor CG surveying tool.  It wasn't from the report that the spy website used to do.

Very cool. If I had a stock of heads on hand i'd be propositioning you to help restart these "Driver CG reports" in house, heh.  

[03trdblack]

23 minutes ago, coreyhr said:

Very cool. This inevitably sent me down a rabbit hole of CG locator tools. I'm not one to shy away from club building/tinkering tools, but those may be just a little bit outside of my price range. Haha. 

 

I wish the machine was mine too but they cost north of $6K.  I'm just lucky I've had access to one from time to time.

[03trdblack]

2 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

The millimeter movement heel/toe is one the things they start including in those reports before they stopped:



We can draw some general conclusions from this:

1) A very slight draw bias (about 1-2mm heel side) is the center point
2) Draw bias in general is both slightly favored and often pushed further than fade biases. 
3) The amount of movement left/right possible with some of these heads (the G410 in particular) gives us an idea of what some the widest adjustable ranges are. 

This all makes sense from a general market standpoint. The average consumer doesn't benefit from strong fade bias and more extreme draw biases therefore are more common. 
 

Very cool. If I had a stock of heads on hand i'd be propositioning you to help restart these "Driver CG reports" in house, heh.  

 

This report was one of my most favorite things the Spy website did and then they just stopped.  They shifted their focus to measuring golf balls and while I appreciate that too, I miss the super in depth technical stuff like this.  This kind of stuff isn't available anywhere else.

[shaolingolfer]

According to the Youtube video I posted. - Johnny Wunder said with the weight in the middle, it is actually fade bias.  You have to set the weight all the way to the heel to make it neutral.  If you need draw bias, then you need to go the X.

 

I played the standard Paradym a few rounds but I made a lot of adjustment to the setting so I can't really attest to it.

[03trdblack]

2 hours ago, shaolingolfer said:

According to the Youtube video I posted. - Johnny Wunder said with the weight in the middle, it is actually fade bias.  You have to set the weight all the way to the heel to make it neutral.  If you need draw bias, then you need to go the X.

 

I played the standard Paradym a few rounds but I made a lot of adjustment to the setting so I can't really attest to it.

 

He's wrong.