Anyone else disappointed in the SLDR? - OP REVIEW ON PG 14 9/13/13

[MrParr1Noid]

Apology accepted...

Carry on.. [size=4] [/size]

[evanseze]

Was that 72 with the SLDR in the bag?

[PingDrv00]

Nope old fashioned RBZ Tour.

[PingDrv00]

SLDR gave me great numbers though. Just not $500 worth.

[evanseze]

I fully understand the $500 part.....I am with you In that regards. The SLDR does seem to have a much better ball flight to my eye than the R1 (higher initial launch, but flatter overall flight with less spin). The R1 does seem to be more forgiving, but that may just be due to having more familiarity with it vs the SLDR. I have not had the chance to hit the SLDR on a launch monitor yet, but definitely looking forward to doing so.

[ron lefthanded holmes]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1378097639' post='7784519']
Nope old fashioned RBZ Tour.
[/quote] see you would of shot a 71 with the SLDR lol

[gxDD]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1378097744' post='7784525']
SLDR gave me great numbers though. Just not $500 worth.
[/quote]

Eh... see that's where the line is drawn though. For example: I've was gaming a 910D2 for two years, hit it well 270-280 average, and hit lots of fairways...etc. The other day I jumped on Flightscope... and was very disappointed with the numbers I was generating... 9-11° launch avg, 3,400+ rpm... Now if you saw me hitting on the range you'd think, "this guy kills that driver"... but the numbers don't lie. Two days after that Flightscope session, I went out and demo'd a 913D3 with a more tip stiff shaft. 10-13° launch, lower than 2,600 RPM.... I pulled the trigger instantly. Consequently, I'm easily 20-30 longer than the spots I'm usually at on my home course.

Golf 'aint cheap... if you want ideal numbers and performance, it's gonna cost you. IMHO, if the numbers are there... it's worth the cost.

[PingDrv00]

The numbers were great, but not that far from my current gamer.

[hogan1]

[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1377928786' post='7775821']
I'm waiting for the 12° head.
[/quote]

Well worth waiting for! This driver has saved my season. Almost impossible to get the 12* in Europe now. Not in stock anywhere what I can see.

[Tiptx1122]

The only thing I'm disappointed about is the price. I hitting this driver nice although I have a confession to make. I never even tried the stock shaft. I have an Oban White Kiyoshi shaft that makes this driver one of my all time favorites. It crazy I know bit if this head didn't work with my Oban I was going to look elsewhere and finds a head that would work. So I'm happy with my SLDR

[TMBob]

[quote name='gxDD' timestamp='1378092059' post='7784209']
SLDR isn't garbage...but it's a very "hit or miss" club. My honest opinion is that it's a very stark change from what TM's been putting out over the past few years, so it's not fitting for most TM players who are used to the white.

I hit the SLDR in our swing lab the other day... personally I thought it was an ugly gray color and the little line on the back of the crown hindered my alignment. Of course I've been hitting Titleist drivers since the 909, so it's not surprising I didn't like it.
[/quote]

I am going to agree on your first comment about "hit or miss" . On the stark change, I feel both the R1 and SLDR can be on this list, not just the SLDR. Both heads for me are "hit or miss" and I confirmed this over the long weekend. i was so stubborn about wanting it to be a "hit" that I overlooked just how tempormental this head and the R1 is for me when compared to my past years of using TM heads as I pretty loved every single one I used.

Today was my third straight day with the GD BB 6 S in it....well it pretty much did what I "dislike" so much with this driver......ome of my worst pulled drives in years have came from this head as my pulls with my R11s GD DI 6 Stiff are not so bad more often then no. The other "dislike" is that I rarely miss right with it, though the past two days with the BB I missed more right then with any other combo.

The "hit" side is what really drive me nuts and makes me so, so stubborn. Yesterday, 5 drives that are what driving the golf ball is all about coming from a person of my game and ability. Perfect flight (to my eye) center cut and dead straight and felt fantastic. Today, 5 more but the last 3 were perfect 10's. The 16th hole is 18 paces wide. On the tee is even more narrow looking because as the tee points to the right side of the FW. Real player will work the ball left to right to combat this. It hit down the center cut like I was butterflying a filet mingon. On the 17th which is a ever so slight a dog leg right, was a touch more with the tees to the right side today. Again, I was center cut and hit it so straight that I made it play like a straight hole layout. 18th capped it off as the Tips were moved up 30 yards and the hole played 258 slight down hill. Straight line to the flag in the center of the green from today's tees took you really close to some trees on the right side of the tee box, out about 60 yards off the tee. From the green side left bunker to the flag was maybe 25 feet. I hit my driver between the bunker and the flag on the green for my third straight lazed beam drive. Great way to leave me scratching my head, as those last three drives just are soo, soo good that they will be stuck in my mine for a long time like many R11s drives also.

It seems to me that TM is doing one of two things with the offering of 2013,

1) Are pushing so hard at being longer under the COR limitations that forgiveness has taken a back seat. ( might be why the touring pros dig it so much and add in the fact that they can work it better then past offerings)
2) Or are putting leap frogged projects into the mix because they ran out of ideas (SLDR)

Chances are #2 is not true but one could sure look at it this way....I am just sorry that these last two heads have not played as well overall for me when compared to many years of past models.

There will always be some that like it, some that hate it, some that will like it and hate it, and that some that will never even try it.

I say, try the SLDR in two different lofts and you be the judge. I think that anyone that has given this head a fair test will have to say that some of their drives are as good as it ever gets. What a great feeling it is when this happen! Wow!

[Froth]

To anyone currently bagging a SLDR in 10.5° or more. TRY HITTING IT OFF THE DECK!!! You will be shocked! (At least I was, Only lost two MPH Ball-Speed ripping balls clean off the deck like a Fairway metal!)

I was fooling around in Golfsmith as the store was empty and I put a 10.5° head on a Stiff(all they had) shaft and I started ripping balls straight off the mat! Because of the low-down face sweet spot you can actually use it quite effectively off the deck! They had one 12° head, but an older Gentleman was getting fit with it and I didn't want to wait around. I bet this 12° head could be a ROCKET off the deck or a low tee!

Hrm. I am thinking now. 44" SLDR, Steel Shaft, 12°... Low Tee Driver or FAIRWAY SLDR?!

[Goldenhawk]

[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378232907' post='7791681']
To anyone currently bagging a SLDR in 10.5° or more. TRY HITTING IT OFF THE DECK!!! You will be shocked! (At least I was, Only lost two MPH Ball-Speed ripping balls clean off the deck like a Fairway metal!)

I was fooling around in Golfsmith as the store was empty and I put a 10.5° head on a Stiff(all they had) shaft and I started ripping balls straight off the mat! Because of the low-down face sweet spot you can actually use it quite effectively off the deck! They had one 12° head, but an older Gentleman was getting fit with it and I didn't want to wait around. I bet this 12° head could be a ROCKET off the deck or a low tee!

Hrm. I am thinking now. 44" SLDR, Steel Shaft, 12°... Low Tee Driver or FAIRWAY SLDR?!
[/quote]
You were only hitting SLDRs off the deck at Golfsmith because they did not belong to you. Why don't you try it with your own SLDR driver and report back on how it holds up. Since drivers aren't meant to hit off the deck, you could be out $400-$500 easily in one swing.

[jwo]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1378170497' post='7788279']
[quote name='gxDD' timestamp='1378092059' post='7784209']
SLDR isn't garbage...but it's a very "hit or miss" club. My honest opinion is that it's a very stark change from what TM's been putting out over the past few years, so it's not fitting for most TM players who are used to the white.

I hit the SLDR in our swing lab the other day... personally I thought it was an ugly gray color and the little line on the back of the crown hindered my alignment. Of course I've been hitting Titleist drivers since the 909, so it's not surprising I didn't like it.
[/quote]



I am going to agree on your first comment about "hit or miss" . On the stark change, I feel both the R1 and SLDR can be on this list, not just the SLDR. Both heads for me are "hit or miss" and I confirmed this over the long weekend. i was so stubborn about wanting it to be a "hit" that I overlooked just how tempormental this head and the R1 is for me when compared to my past years of using TM heads as I pretty loved every single one I used.

Today was my third straight day with the GD BB 6 S in it....well it pretty much did what I "dislike" so much with this driver......ome of my worst pulled drives in years have came from this head as my pulls with my R11s GD DI 6 Stiff are not so bad more often then no. The other "dislike" is that I rarely miss right with it, though the past two days with the BB I missed more right then with any other combo.

The "hit" side is what really drive me nuts and makes me so, so stubborn. Yesterday, 5 drives that are what driving the golf ball is all about coming from a person of my game and ability. Perfect flight (to my eye) center cut and dead straight and felt fantastic. Today, 5 more but the last 3 were perfect 10's. The 16th hole is 18 paces wide. On the tee is even more narrow looking because as the tee points to the right side of the FW. Real player will work the ball left to right to combat this. It hit down the center cut like I was butterflying a filet mingon. On the 17th which is a ever so slight a dog leg right, was a touch more with the tees to the right side today. Again, I was center cut and hit it so straight that I made it play like a straight hole layout. 18th capped it off as the Tips were moved up 30 yards and the hole played 258 slight down hill. Straight line to the flag in the center of the green from today's tees took you really close to some trees on the right side of the tee box, out about 60 yards off the tee. From the green side left bunker to the flag was maybe 25 feet. I hit my driver between the bunker and the flag on the green for my third straight lazed beam drive. Great way to leave me scratching my head, as those last three drives just are soo, soo good that they will be stuck in my mine for a long time like many R11s drives also.

It seems to me that TM is doing one of two things with the offering of 2013,

1) Are pushing so hard at being longer under the COR limitations that forgiveness has taken a back seat. ( might be why the touring pros dig it so much and add in the fact that they can work it better then past offerings)
2) Or are putting leap frogged projects into the mix because they ran out of ideas (SLDR)

Chances are #2 is not true but one could sure look at it this way....I am just sorry that these last two heads have not played as well overall for me when compared to many years of past models.

There will always be some that like it, some that hate it, some that will like it and hate it, and that some that will never even try it.

I say, try the SLDR in two different lofts and you be the judge. I think that anyone that has given this head a fair test will have to say that some of their drives are as good as it ever gets. What a great feeling it is when this happen! Wow!
[/quote]

Hey TmBob have you tried the RBZ Stage2?, and if so I am curious as to your thoughts of how it compares to the R1 and SLDR

[TMBob]

[quote name='jwo' timestamp='1378237882' post='7792141']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1378170497' post='7788279']
[quote name='gxDD' timestamp='1378092059' post='7784209']
SLDR isn't garbage...but it's a very "hit or miss" club. My honest opinion is that it's a very stark change from what TM's been putting out over the past few years, so it's not fitting for most TM players who are used to the white.

I hit the SLDR in our swing lab the other day... personally I thought it was an ugly gray color and the little line on the back of the crown hindered my alignment. Of course I've been hitting Titleist drivers since the 909, so it's not surprising I didn't like it.
[/quote]



I am going to agree on your first comment about "hit or miss" . On the stark change, I feel both the R1 and SLDR can be on this list, not just the SLDR. Both heads for me are "hit or miss" and I confirmed this over the long weekend. i was so stubborn about wanting it to be a "hit" that I overlooked just how tempormental this head and the R1 is for me when compared to my past years of using TM heads as I pretty loved every single one I used.

Today was my third straight day with the GD BB 6 S in it....well it pretty much did what I "dislike" so much with this driver......ome of my worst pulled drives in years have came from this head as my pulls with my R11s GD DI 6 Stiff are not so bad more often then no. The other "dislike" is that I rarely miss right with it, though the past two days with the BB I missed more right then with any other combo.

The "hit" side is what really drive me nuts and makes me so, so stubborn. Yesterday, 5 drives that are what driving the golf ball is all about coming from a person of my game and ability. Perfect flight (to my eye) center cut and dead straight and felt fantastic. Today, 5 more but the last 3 were perfect 10's. The 16th hole is 18 paces wide. On the tee is even more narrow looking because as the tee points to the right side of the FW. Real player will work the ball left to right to combat this. It hit down the center cut like I was butterflying a filet mingon. On the 17th which is a ever so slight a dog leg right, was a touch more with the tees to the right side today. Again, I was center cut and hit it so straight that I made it play like a straight hole layout. 18th capped it off as the Tips were moved up 30 yards and the hole played 258 slight down hill. Straight line to the flag in the center of the green from today's tees took you really close to some trees on the right side of the tee box, out about 60 yards off the tee. From the green side left bunker to the flag was maybe 25 feet. I hit my driver between the bunker and the flag on the green for my third straight lazed beam drive. Great way to leave me scratching my head, as those last three drives just are soo, soo good that they will be stuck in my mine for a long time like many R11s drives also.

It seems to me that TM is doing one of two things with the offering of 2013,

1) Are pushing so hard at being longer under the COR limitations that forgiveness has taken a back seat. ( might be why the touring pros dig it so much and add in the fact that they can work it better then past offerings)
2) Or are putting leap frogged projects into the mix because they ran out of ideas (SLDR)

Chances are #2 is not true but one could sure look at it this way....I am just sorry that these last two heads have not played as well overall for me when compared to many years of past models.

There will always be some that like it, some that hate it, some that will like it and hate it, and that some that will never even try it.

I say, try the SLDR in two different lofts and you be the judge. I think that anyone that has given this head a fair test will have to say that some of their drives are as good as it ever gets. What a great feeling it is when this happen! Wow!
[/quote]

Hey TmBob have you tried the RBZ Stage2?, and if so I am curious as to your thoughts of how it compares to the R1 and SLDR
[/quote]

No I have not, sorry. Head shape never fit my eye

[amish]

[quote name='Hairpie' timestamp='1378089968' post='7784047']
Maybe it was a bad fit...you're playing stiff inthe powerbuilt but went regular in the SLDR?...That could cause some of the issues you describe.
[/quote]

I play 5.5 proj x iron shafts and l figured a reg shaft would be comparable. I have about a 100 mph swing speed. The stift shaft in the E250 is supposed to be for 90-100 swing speeds. Also the only demo they had was the one l used.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='amish' timestamp='1378260235' post='7793947']
[quote name='Hairpie' timestamp='1378089968' post='7784047']
Maybe it was a bad fit...you're playing stiff inthe powerbuilt but went regular in the SLDR?...That could cause some of the issues you describe.
[/quote]

I play 5.5 proj x iron shafts and l figured a reg shaft would be comparable. I have about a 100 mph swing speed. The stift shaft in the E250 is supposed to be for 90-100 swing speeds. Also the only demo they had was the one l used.
[/quote]

Project X 5.5 is actually stiff. It is a bit stiffer than Dynamic Gold S-300. If you like the 5.5s I would not bet on the stock regular being a very good fit.

[gopherguts]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1378260359' post='7793965']
[quote name='amish' timestamp='1378260235' post='7793947']
[quote name='Hairpie' timestamp='1378089968' post='7784047']
Maybe it was a bad fit...you're playing stiff inthe powerbuilt but went regular in the SLDR?...That could cause some of the issues you describe.
[/quote]

I play 5.5 proj x iron shafts and l figured a reg shaft would be comparable. I have about a 100 mph swing speed. The stift shaft in the E250 is supposed to be for 90-100 swing speeds. Also the only demo they had was the one l used.
[/quote]

Project X 5.5 is actually stiff. It is a bit stiffer than Dynamic Gold S-300. If you like the 5.5s I would not bet on the stock regular being a very good fit.
[/quote]

Yup. At least according to the shaft chart here,,,,,,,, [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/465601-kbs-tour-c-taper-iron-shafts-first-look-and-review/page__st__60"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/465601-kbs-tour-c-taper-iron-shafts-first-look-and-review/page__st__60[/url]

[Froth]

[quote name='Goldenhawk' timestamp='1378236122' post='7791943']
[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378232907' post='7791681']
To anyone currently bagging a SLDR in 10.5° or more. TRY HITTING IT OFF THE DECK!!! You will be shocked! (At least I was, Only lost two MPH Ball-Speed ripping balls clean off the deck like a Fairway metal!)

I was fooling around in Golfsmith as the store was empty and I put a 10.5° head on a Stiff(all they had) shaft and I started ripping balls straight off the mat! Because of the low-down face sweet spot you can actually use it quite effectively off the deck! They had one 12° head, but an older Gentleman was getting fit with it and I didn't want to wait around. I bet this 12° head could be a ROCKET off the deck or a low tee!

Hrm. I am thinking now. 44" SLDR, Steel Shaft, 12°... Low Tee Driver or FAIRWAY SLDR?!
[/quote]
You were only hitting SLDRs off the deck at Golfsmith because they did not belong to you. Why don't you try it with your own SLDR driver and report back on how it holds up. Since drivers aren't meant to hit off the deck, you could be out $400-$500 easily in one swing.
[/quote]
I am offended by your generalization of me. Specifically the "You were only doing X because of Y" statement.

I was Hitting SLDR's off the deck because they don't offer a low enough tee for me, so I said 'what the hell'. I'd of [i]DEFINITELY[/i] done it with my own club! Pretty sure I've hit ALL of my Drivers off the deck at one point. How are you gonna know if you never try? You're telling me that hitting it off the deck will cost me $400-500? How? Magical "don't get the club too close to the ground" fairies gonna come steal my money? It's not like I'm dropping an anvil on the face or the sole...I'm picking a golf ball clean off the mat. The only force acting on the club is the golf ball hitting the face - Hitting LOW on a face they ADVERTISE as being helpful on lower face shots. Seriously? Not MEANT to be hit off the deck? Please provide proof to your wild claim. It's a golf club designed to hit golf balls. it may not be [i]Advisable[/i] to hit a SLDR off the deck, but it certainly CAN be done. Perhaps I have a more active mind than some people, meh.

If there's a golf ball down there and I've got a club I'm gonna hit it...not exactly sure how YOU hit balls off the deck but I ripped 15 in a row off the mat and the SLDR didn't even show a scuff on the bottom, I even moved the weight around to see if the track would catch on the ground, which it did not. Where did you get this sweet info that "Drivers aren't meant to be hit off the deck?" Just because it's "difficult" doesn't mean it cannot be done, golf clubs are "meant" to hit a golf ball. Seriously, the club has NO CLUE the ball is on the ground, It's just a force acting upon the face when you hit it. If it breaks while I'm hitting a golf ball...That's the worst driver ever and TMAG would replace it. Bottom line, It's a GOLF CLUB, what...is it gonna get dirty down there close to the ground? I'm not hitting down on it like a 7-iron, lmao...I'm hitting it like a Fairway Metal...and the ball LAUNCHES if you fade it up into the air. You can hit Persimmon Drivers off the deck NO PROBLEM, so the SLDR isn't as durable as Wood? I'll call TMAG and let them know.

You might put limitations on what you do with your clubs, but I don't. Just like I can flip a 7-iron over and hit it Lefty if I need to. I was only making a suggestion to SLDR owners that might want to consider being able to hit it a good long way with a nice fairway lie. If I had a SLDR Bagged, I'd sure try. Matter of fact if I owned a SLDR, I would hit it off the deck and be perfectly fine with it, It has a lower than normal sweet spot. I am considering a 12° head, but I want to see how it does off the deck first.

Low face sweet spot + Good Lie = SLDR off the deck. BOOM.

[Bumbershoot]

[quote name='Lobber' timestamp='1376929167' post='7705514']
Side by side on the course the 10.5 with stock shaft stiff does not give me the distance and launch that my Callaway Optiforce 440 with stock Diamana Stiff does. Not an apple to apple comparison due to shaft differences but I must say the Optiforce just works better for me, launch monitors aside. I am sure I could come to love the SLDR if I found the right shaft but at this point I am hitting Optiforce so well I don't want to tinker anymore. No doubt TM SLDR is a great club for many. Just not my cup of tea
[/quote]

Same boat for me. I spent most of an hour with a TM fitter on the launch monitor at Golfsmith while he twiddled with the thing, swapping shafts and adjusting the head, trying to produce some sort of consistent ball flight. He couldn't find the magic combination that excited me.

Instead, the Callaway Optiforce 440 with stock Diamana stiff shaft turned out to be every bit as long, with a much better dispersion pattern (on the launch monitor). My average swing speed is 103, and the head on this club is set to 8.5 and neutral. This club replaces an Adams LS 9064 8.5 with an Aldila RIP Alpha stiff. The Callaway isn't much longer than the Adams, but the dispersion is tighter. On course performance has confirmed the performance of the Callaway.

The SLDR was giving me the idea that the adjustable gimmicks were killing the consistency of the head. I really just want a driver that FITS, first, then I'll learn to hit it as it is.

[st997777]

[quote name='winn0040' timestamp='1377880746' post='7772113']
[quote name='david92' timestamp='1377880573' post='7772093']
Anyone finding that a shaft working in a current driver just doesn't work in the SLDR?
I have used an Accra MT60 in a 2012 RBZ Tour and it is great...same shaft in the SLDR it seems dead and short
[/quote]

You nailed it. I get along great with my Matrix RUL in my R1, but it's a no go in the SLDR. Had to do some experimenting but found one that works for me in there as well. Now comes the temptation to keep two drivers around.
[/quote]

I've experienced the exact same thing. Some good shafts just won't work in the SLDR, plus some custom shafts produce high swingweight numbers.

[Golfrnut]

Shaft balance points seem to be a huge factor when comparing the OEM shaft verses any kind of custom. Two shafts with the same total gram weight show a difference on 3-4 SW points when at the same length. In my case, I am not putting my AD DI shaft back in until I can find a lighter weight for the head. At 44.5", it's still around a D6. With the OEM shaft at the same length, I am at a D2.5 which is what I normally play mine at.

[Froth]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1378350023' post='7799899']
Shaft balance points seem to be a huge factor when comparing the OEM shaft verses any kind of custom. Two shafts with the same total gram weight show a difference on 3-4 SW points when at the same length. In my case, I am not putting my AD DI shaft back in until I can find a lighter weight for the head. At 44.5", it's still around a D6. With the OEM shaft at the same length, I am at a D2.5 which is what I normally play mine at.
[/quote]
Do they actually offer the different weights yet? Or is that some mystical 'tour van only' stuff right now? I've not seen a single weight by itself anywhere.

[gopherguts]

[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378287909' post='7794991']
[quote name='Goldenhawk' timestamp='1378236122' post='7791943']
[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378232907' post='7791681']
To anyone currently bagging a SLDR in 10.5° or more. TRY HITTING IT OFF THE DECK!!! You will be shocked! (At least I was, Only lost two MPH Ball-Speed ripping balls clean off the deck like a Fairway metal!)

I was fooling around in Golfsmith as the store was empty and I put a 10.5° head on a Stiff(all they had) shaft and I started ripping balls straight off the mat! Because of the low-down face sweet spot you can actually use it quite effectively off the deck! They had one 12° head, but an older Gentleman was getting fit with it and I didn't want to wait around. I bet this 12° head could be a ROCKET off the deck or a low tee!

Hrm. I am thinking now. 44" SLDR, Steel Shaft, 12°... Low Tee Driver or FAIRWAY SLDR?!
[/quote]
You were only hitting SLDRs off the deck at Golfsmith because they did not belong to you. Why don't you try it with your own SLDR driver and report back on how it holds up. Since drivers aren't meant to hit off the deck, you could be out $400-$500 easily in one swing.
[/quote]
I am offended by your generalization of me. Specifically the "You were only doing X because of Y" statement.

I was Hitting SLDR's off the deck because they don't offer a low enough tee for me, so I said 'what the hell'. I'd of [i]DEFINITELY[/i] done it with my own club! Pretty sure I've hit ALL of my Drivers off the deck at one point. How are you gonna know if you never try? You're telling me that hitting it off the deck will cost me $400-500? How? Magical "don't get the club too close to the ground" fairies gonna come steal my money? It's not like I'm dropping an anvil on the face or the sole...I'm picking a golf ball clean off the mat. The only force acting on the club is the golf ball hitting the face - Hitting LOW on a face they ADVERTISE as being helpful on lower face shots. Seriously? Not MEANT to be hit off the deck? Please provide proof to your wild claim. It's a golf club designed to hit golf balls. it may not be [i]Advisable[/i] to hit a SLDR off the deck, but it certainly CAN be done. Perhaps I have a more active mind than some people, meh.

If there's a golf ball down there and I've got a club I'm gonna hit it...not exactly sure how YOU hit balls off the deck but I ripped 15 in a row off the mat and the SLDR didn't even show a scuff on the bottom, I even moved the weight around to see if the track would catch on the ground, which it did not. Where did you get this sweet info that "Drivers aren't meant to be hit off the deck?" Just because it's "difficult" doesn't mean it cannot be done, golf clubs are "meant" to hit a golf ball. Seriously, the club has NO CLUE the ball is on the ground, It's just a force acting upon the face when you hit it. If it breaks while I'm hitting a golf ball...That's the worst driver ever and TMAG would replace it. Bottom line, It's a GOLF CLUB, what...is it gonna get dirty down there close to the ground? I'm not hitting down on it like a 7-iron, lmao...I'm hitting it like a Fairway Metal...and the ball LAUNCHES if you fade it up into the air. You can hit Persimmon Drivers off the deck NO PROBLEM, so the SLDR isn't as durable as Wood? I'll call TMAG and let them know.

You might put limitations on what you do with your clubs, but I don't. Just like I can flip a 7-iron over and hit it Lefty if I need to. I was only making a suggestion to SLDR owners that might want to consider being able to hit it a good long way with a nice fairway lie. If I had a SLDR Bagged, I'd sure try. Matter of fact if I owned a SLDR, I would hit it off the deck and be perfectly fine with it, It has a lower than normal sweet spot. I am considering a 12° head, but I want to see how it does off the deck first.

Low face sweet spot + Good Lie = SLDR off the deck. BOOM.
[/quote]

Hey [size=5][b]Goldenhawk[/b][/size],

Somebody shoulda warned ya.

Froth's got thin skin (not to mention his using not-so-passive brags) and easily gets worked up into a,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,,, froth !!! [size=4] [/size]

[size=4]Check out some of his previous antics,,,,,,,,,,, [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/888806-how-many-people-actually-use-ball-flight-data-before-buying-new-drivers/page__st__30__p__7645130__hl__+therapist#entry7645130"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/888806-how-many-people-actually-use-ball-flight-data-before-buying-new-drivers/page__st__30__p__7645130__hl__+therapist#entry7645130[/url][/size]

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378350416' post='7799947']
[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1378350023' post='7799899']
Shaft balance points seem to be a huge factor when comparing the OEM shaft verses any kind of custom. Two shafts with the same total gram weight show a difference on 3-4 SW points when at the same length. In my case, I am not putting my AD DI shaft back in until I can find a lighter weight for the head. At 44.5", it's still around a D6. With the OEM shaft at the same length, I am at a D2.5 which is what I normally play mine at.
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Do they actually offer the different weights yet? Or is that some mystical 'tour van only' stuff right now? I've not seen a single weight by itself anywhere.
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Pics are on the forums. They do exist, however I am not sure how many people, even on here, have connections deep enough to get them at this point.

[Froth]

[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1378350814' post='7799991']
Hey [size=5][b]Goldenhawk[/b][/size],

Somebody shoulda warned ya.

Froth's got thin skin (not to mention his using not-so-passive brags) and easily gets worked up into a,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,,, froth !!! [size=4] [/size]

[size=4]Check out some of his previous antics,,,,,,,,,,, [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/888806-how-many-people-actually-use-ball-flight-data-before-buying-new-drivers/page__st__30__p__7645130__hl__+therapist#entry7645130"]http://www.golfwrx.c...st#entry7645130[/url][/size]
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Thin skin?!, Get it right! my skin is transparent! My mind doesn't work the way others do...I tend to be incredibly defensive because of it. Always have been though, so at least I'm consistent?

You're [i]definitely[/i] one of my favorite posters on here. I cannot wait for the next time you use that witty "worked himself into a froth" line. I've only heard it on every forum I've ever been a member of/moderated on. LOL @ Passive brag - I just talk about golf and the way I play it(Perhaps it's somehow my fault I am "out of the norm"), if you want to see that as a Passive brag I wont stop you or ask you to see it differently as you're free to interpret it any way you'd like. You're the only one devaluing information by not having an open mind to the situation at hand. Oh and it's worth mentioning that If I wanted to brag, I'd do it actively. Fairways and Greens my friend! (Also, at least I take the time to proof-read and spell correctly.)

Cheers.

[evanseze]

[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1378350814' post='7799991']
[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378287909' post='7794991']
[quote name='Goldenhawk' timestamp='1378236122' post='7791943']
[quote name='Froth' timestamp='1378232907' post='7791681']
To anyone currently bagging a SLDR in 10.5° or more. TRY HITTING IT OFF THE DECK!!! You will be shocked! (At least I was, Only lost two MPH Ball-Speed ripping balls clean off the deck like a Fairway metal!)

I was fooling around in Golfsmith as the store was empty and I put a 10.5° head on a Stiff(all they had) shaft and I started ripping balls straight off the mat! Because of the low-down face sweet spot you can actually use it quite effectively off the deck! They had one 12° head, but an older Gentleman was getting fit with it and I didn't want to wait around. I bet this 12° head could be a ROCKET off the deck or a low tee!

Hrm. I am thinking now. 44" SLDR, Steel Shaft, 12°... Low Tee Driver or FAIRWAY SLDR?!
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You were only hitting SLDRs off the deck at Golfsmith because they did not belong to you. Why don't you try it with your own SLDR driver and report back on how it holds up. Since drivers aren't meant to hit off the deck, you could be out $400-$500 easily in one swing.
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I am offended by your generalization of me. Specifically the "You were only doing X because of Y" statement.

I was Hitting SLDR's off the deck because they don't offer a low enough tee for me, so I said 'what the hell'. I'd of [i]DEFINITELY[/i] done it with my own club! Pretty sure I've hit ALL of my Drivers off the deck at one point. How are you gonna know if you never try? You're telling me that hitting it off the deck will cost me $400-500? How? Magical "don't get the club too close to the ground" fairies gonna come steal my money? It's not like I'm dropping an anvil on the face or the sole...I'm picking a golf ball clean off the mat. The only force acting on the club is the golf ball hitting the face - Hitting LOW on a face they ADVERTISE as being helpful on lower face shots. Seriously? Not MEANT to be hit off the deck? Please provide proof to your wild claim. It's a golf club designed to hit golf balls. it may not be [i]Advisable[/i] to hit a SLDR off the deck, but it certainly CAN be done. Perhaps I have a more active mind than some people, meh.

If there's a golf ball down there and I've got a club I'm gonna hit it...not exactly sure how YOU hit balls off the deck but I ripped 15 in a row off the mat and the SLDR didn't even show a scuff on the bottom, I even moved the weight around to see if the track would catch on the ground, which it did not. Where did you get this sweet info that "Drivers aren't meant to be hit off the deck?" Just because it's "difficult" doesn't mean it cannot be done, golf clubs are "meant" to hit a golf ball. Seriously, the club has NO CLUE the ball is on the ground, It's just a force acting upon the face when you hit it. If it breaks while I'm hitting a golf ball...That's the worst driver ever and TMAG would replace it. Bottom line, It's a GOLF CLUB, what...is it gonna get dirty down there close to the ground? I'm not hitting down on it like a 7-iron, lmao...I'm hitting it like a Fairway Metal...and the ball LAUNCHES if you fade it up into the air. You can hit Persimmon Drivers off the deck NO PROBLEM, so the SLDR isn't as durable as Wood? I'll call TMAG and let them know.

You might put limitations on what you do with your clubs, but I don't. Just like I can flip a 7-iron over and hit it Lefty if I need to. I was only making a suggestion to SLDR owners that might want to consider being able to hit it a good long way with a nice fairway lie. If I had a SLDR Bagged, I'd sure try. Matter of fact if I owned a SLDR, I would hit it off the deck and be perfectly fine with it, It has a lower than normal sweet spot. I am considering a 12° head, but I want to see how it does off the deck first.

Low face sweet spot + Good Lie = SLDR off the deck. BOOM.
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Hey [size=5][b]Goldenhawk[/b][/size],

Somebody shoulda warned ya.

Froth's got thin skin (not to mention his using not-so-passive brags) and easily gets worked up into a,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,,, froth !!! [size=4] [/size]

[size=4]Check out some of his previous antics,,,,,,,,,,, [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/888806-how-many-people-actually-use-ball-flight-data-before-buying-new-drivers/page__st__30__p__7645130__hl__+therapist#entry7645130"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/888806-how-many-people-actually-use-ball-flight-data-before-buying-new-drivers/page__st__30__p__7645130__hl__+therapist#entry7645130[/url][/size]
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You seriously need to grow up and stop instigating people here on WRX. You need to watch the video on the front page about the guy in the white shirt vs the guy in the green shirt and think to yourself.....man that (white shirt) could be me someday.

[Hairpie]

Received my 12 degree to replace my 10.5...had them build it @ 44.75 and requested a D3 swingweight. Definitely feels lighter but I've yet to get it on a scale....had a TP sticker on the soleplate as well? Head sure looks a lot more square than the 10.5 with added loft. Hopefully this will help take care of the "lefts"....

[Froth]

[quote name='Hairpie' timestamp='1378353058' post='7800227']
Received my 12 degree to replace my 10.5...had them build it @ 44.75 and requested a D3 swingweight. Definitely feels lighter but I've yet to get it on a scale....had a TP sticker on the soleplate as well? Head sure looks a lot more square than the 10.5 with added loft. Hopefully this will help take care of the "lefts"....
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Excited to hear about this, I cranked the 10.5 all the way up to +1.5 but damn does that close the toe a ton at address... The only 12° I've even seen was a Demo with a SR flex shaft in it that someone was being fit for, so I didn't wait around to hit it.

[JGalls]

Has anyone had any success or lack there of with the stock TP shaft (6.3 ts)?

Thanks.