The Wizard Short Game Technique Videos(merged)

[iteachgolf]

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[quote name='jut111' timestamp='1406122194' post='9766185']
Dan, or others familiar with his teaching: would you recommend any changes in firm, wet sand? The kind of sand where it takes effort to rake? I find that using bounce this way makes the club bounce off the sand and into the ball blading it into the lip or over the green pretty much every time.

I'm fairly confident I'm executing the swing properly as I get great results from tight lies and rough, bunker play isn't working though at my course that has really firm sand.
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Look at buried lie video. Just not as extreme. Wet sand is heavier and harder to get through. So you have to be steeper with more speed to get through it and stay in it long enough.
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Hard sand is same as wet which is less extreme version of buried lie. I don't really dig feet in much at all.

[drewtaylor21]

Question for any of you that follow Dan's technique....I've narrowed my 60* wedge search down to Vokey with either K or M grind. M grind is only available up to 8* of bounce in 60* wedge it looks like, and I think I want more than 10* bounce. Thus, leaning towards K grind (60*/11*). My question is do any of you that have either of these wedges have trouble opening the face up quite a bit and having too much bounce? Have not been able to demo either, just look at them in the pro shop....both look difficult to use with the face wide open.

[iteachgolf]

58/8 bent 2* weak is good (60-10). M grind is more versatile than the K grind IMO. M grind will have zero issues being open.

[pinhigh27]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1406766553' post='9820763']
58/8 bent 2* weak is good (60-10). M grind is more versatile than the K grind IMO. M grind will have zero issues being open.
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Yeah but my wallet will if I end up buying one!

[drewtaylor21]

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[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1406766553' post='9820763']
58/8 bent 2* weak is good (60-10). M grind is more versatile than the K grind IMO. M grind will have zero issues being open.
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Yeah but my wallet will if I end up buying one!
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Thankfully I have merch $$ to spend

[bowabowa]

I have the K w/11 and don't have any significant issues. It does have a "thicker" sole which may not be preferred by many but it's good enough for me.

[quote name='drewtaylor21' timestamp='1406766275' post='9820733']
Question for any of you that follow Dan's technique....I've narrowed my 60* wedge search down to Vokey with either K or M grind. M grind is only available up to 8* of bounce in 60* wedge it looks like, and I think I want more than 10* bounce. Thus, leaning towards K grind (60*/11*). My question is do any of you that have either of these wedges have trouble opening the face up quite a bit and having too much bounce? Have not been able to demo either, just look at them in the pro shop....both look difficult to use with the face wide open.
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[Hstead]

I have the K too and it works for me. It has some heel relief so you can open it.

[iteachgolf]

K isn't bad and will more than work. I prefer slimmer sole with steeper initial bounce. The K does have the bounce in the center of the sole which is my preference. Just like my wedges steeper and narrower so they are more versatile. For 90% of shots and with solid contact any wedge will work. Some just have a larger margin of error for the less than perfectly executed shots and some is personal preference. 10+* of bounce with bounce near center of the sole will work regardless of rest of specs. Just don't want peak bounce on back of sole.

[markfax]

Dan

Great vids ...

In what situations does M or V grind work better than K?

For Vokey M grind, would 56/10 bent 2* weak to 58/12 work, or is that too much bounce?

[Hstead]

I will say this without giving away the farm, but even though I have had lessons multiple times in person, the Lob shot video has saved me multiple shots already, two in particular today. The thumbs yada yada yada description couldn't have made it easier and a part of my short game that has not been consistent, the dreaded short side flop with little green to work with and sloping away, is now fairly easy which means I can be more aggressive with my approaches. I hit two flop shots today that before the videos I would have been dead and walked away with bogeys. The two shots today were both inside of 3 feet where it looked impossible all because of the simple explanation about the thumbs.

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='markfax' timestamp='1406857622' post='9828965']
Dan

Great vids ...

In what situations does M or V grind work better than K?

For Vokey M grind, would 56/10 bent 2* weak to 58/12 work, or is that too much bounce?
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IMO on tight lies where you need to open the face is better with M/V. Bunker is slightly easier with K. Everything is a compromise I just feel in my case the V is sort of the swiss army knife and can do almost everything well. I use a 60/12. 58/12 would work great

[J13]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1406130257' post='9767389']
The hips are reactionary. If arms are extended and in front of you in the follow through you will turn. You have no choice. Trying to do something that will already happen automatically will lead to poor mechanics.
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And there it is Why change 5 things when you can change 1 that will automatically change the other 4.

[BigD]

For those non-Vokey users, the New TM ATV wedges work very well with Dan's shortgame.

[stevw]

hi dan, is there a pattern you recommend for a chip and run shot, i.e. one that you want to keep low and check reasonably quickly? would you still play the ball forward and use the bounce, or play it further back (apologies if this has been covered in the thread).

[iteachgolf]

Still forward. It's in the video as the basic shot. Spin comes from clean contact and a shallow angle of attack. Ball will come out low due to relatively low clubhead speed even though using a lofted club

[fishstix94]

Dan, I have really had problems with my wedge game lately and I recently stumbled upon a video of Zach Johnson explaining how he hits his wedges. (Ball back, open stance, minimal wrist set.) What is your opinion on this method?

[iteachgolf]

Those are all compensations which are uneccesarry IMO. Will work but think my way is easier. Open stance is to offset ball being back and no wrist set it to try and take out the steepness of having the ball back.

[beutelwomb]

I have some problems playing short bunker shots where i need no get a real high and soft ball flight. With the normal approach i usually end up being to long. Any special adjustment for shorter bunker shots ?

[fishstix94]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1407067429' post='9844729']
Those are all compensations which are uneccesarry IMO. Will work but think my way is easier. Open stance is to offset ball being back and no wrist set it to try and take out the steepness of having the ball back.
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Very good point dan.. He also says he plays the ball back to flight the ball and control the distance. What is your thought on that?

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='beutelwomb' timestamp='1407085643' post='9845923']
I have some problems playing short bunker shots where i need no get a real high and soft ball flight. With the normal approach i usually end up being to long. Any special adjustment for shorter bunker shots ?
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Sand has to go more up and less out. Two options. Try rehinging the club very fast (can be tough to judge) or hit some where you feel like you leave the club head in the sand. You're not slowing down. Your still thumping the sand hard your just hitting the brakes and stopping almost immediately after contact

[iteachgolf]

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[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1407067429' post='9844729']
Those are all compensations which are uneccesarry IMO. Will work but think my way is easier. Open stance is to offset ball being back and no wrist set it to try and take out the steepness of having the ball back.
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Very good point dan.. He also says he plays the ball back to flight the ball and control the distance. What is your thought on that?
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That has nothing to do with distance control and little to do with flighting the ball. Again its a way to do it but not how I would suggest to do it

[fishstix94]

I see thanks for the advice

[markfax]

Dan

Great on course results in my last round. Successfully used your techniques to get up and down several times when I was short-sided on a downslope requiring loft, and in a downhill bunker. And this was with very little practice. Would have been sure bogey or even d. bogey the way I was doing it before.

Wanted to ask about your standard tight lie chip, which I'm not getting. I've been taught that when possible, a short game shot should be a mini version of a full swing, with changes in setup. When I attempt your method of chipping, it feels very arm-y, and I tend to flinch and blade the ball. With my normal arms&pivot chip, it feels more natural like a mini-full swing, and as long I keep ball forward and impact shallow, results are decent.

Any suggestions? Do you think it's important that chipping method translates to full swing, or only what gives largest margin of error like you've figured out? No criticism intended, I'm sure it's my bad execution and not any problem with your method ...

Edit: typos

[iteachgolf]

I didn't ever say to not pivot. I just want it to be reactionary. It's exactly how the club should work in the full swing. In a basic chip/pitch the hands are barely moving past the right leg. Clubhead by far makes the biggest arc and the arc gets smaller as move towards your core. If the arc your hands make is only a foot long going back your pivot will be very small. We are talking maybe 20* of shoulder turn and an extremely small amount of hip turn. All which will happen if you swing you arms while keeping then extended out in front of you. If you are blading it you are not keeping clubhead low or not hitting the ground. You want to still try and thump the ground. It's simply that when done correctly it won't dig no matter how hard you hit the ground

[stevw]

Dan - are you planning on making a similar DVD for the full swing?

[iteachgolf]

No as I said earlier too many variables and it'd do more harm than good. Rather do an online lesson where the individual gets a lesson tailored specifically to them

[FAbb]

Great videos. I've gotten through most of them so far, but still have some of the side hill videos left to watch. What are some of the typical causes of the occasional shank, or low squirter to the right, particularly when the face is opened up?

[iteachgolf]

Swinging left and across it. Club needs to move in going back and extend towards the target going through impact

[FAbb]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1407281613' post='9865781']
Swinging left and across it. Club needs to move in going back and extend towards the target going through impact
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Could it be from hitting it too much from the inside as well? That's the way it feels to me.

[iteachgolf]

Highly unlikely. As clubhead approaches from inside the target line too much the heel is the furthest thing from the bal. Guessing either swing across it or knees moving forward towards target line weight moving towards toes. Best is to film it so you actually know what is happening.