Boricua Golf wrote:
So I played Saturday and was able to compare the Chrome Soft (not the X) with the B330S, KSig, Tour Platinum and the Pro V1 (not the X).
Putter: I thought the CS was simply great, the closest ball was the B330S, then the ProV1...softer than the rest of the bunch, it was not clicky at all, even on missed hits it went the distance.
Short Game: on the practice area, the CS was very good, the B330S for me checked a bit better in almost every different shots I tried...bump and runs were actually impressive, my average was about 1-1.5 feet away from the hole, on pitch shots it was stopping right around the hole but it released a bit more than I was expecting, after a few shots I was able to adjust and it responded much better. On the course it performed much better, I was having a very good ball striking day, on approach shots I was spinning it back about a foot, the others were a bit more active, the B330S was spinning way too much on those, closer to 2.5-3 feet from the pitch mark, the Pro V1 was the closest to the CS here, they were almost the same where the ProV1 spun about the 2 feet at the most...in the wind the CS was almost non affected, same for the Pro V1 and the B330S, the KSig and the Nike would go a bit off line or just ballooned a bit too much ending short of target.
Irons: I really enjoyed the feel coming off the irons (I play the iBlade), it felt like a forged iron (if that makes sense), I didn't gained or lost any distance on well struck shots, I was getting my averages maybe a yard or so longer but the spin made up for it keeping it in the target zone, the ProV1 and the B330S were just as accurate where feel was the difference much softer with the CS...I am not sure if it was a bit too cold (47-52*) for the KSig and the Nike, they felt almost harsh and in turn they did not spin as well as they normally did for me during the summer or warmer months.
Driver: loved the feel and sound off the driver, long if not longer than the others, the V1 was almost the same distance, it did spin a bit more at times (saw a bit of ballooning with the V1), the B330S was not as long but very accurate, didn't go off line too bad (didn't lose any of the balls used for this comparison btw) on a hole (straight/wide Par5) that I can really go for it I teed up all of the golf balls, the Nike and the KSig were by far the longest, very straight, it hurt me because they ran through the fairway, the CS was the most accurate (all day) almost split the fairway, the V1 was about 3 yards shorter and just as accurate, the B330S was 7 yards back also in the middle of the fairway...
In closing, I think this new CS is a winner, I will get a few boxes and play it this season with it, I was very pleased with the overall performance of this golf ball, it did everything almost as good as I expected, I have a few boxes of the B330S, a box of KSigs, 2 boxes of the Nike and ProV1...I am going to do another comparison once the weather gets warmer and the ball can react to the best conditions, I also want to give the KSIg and the Nike a chance to redeem themselves, I played very well with them last summer...more to follow...
OK so as promised here we go... To start off just a few tidbits. First as a disclaimer I suck... well I don’t suck I just don't hit the ball well in a sim. For whatever reason I don’t swing the same and it's always been like that. That being said all shots were hit in the same sim, so even though I don’t think them 100% represent my on course numbers it is apples to apples. Secondly it is really hard to hit 50 yard pitch shots to no target.. I did this testing on Foresight but I was hitting into a net so the only real point of reference I had to hit at was the indention in the new every time I hit. For this reason, distances are a bit on the pitches. I really had no reference point for alignment. I will say though if one had easy access to a Foresight set up in this fashion and could get to the point where they could hit shots consistently the to the same spot and same distance going strictly off of feel they would be deadly. Being able to replicate when having a target is one thing but this to me would be a game changer. So on with the numbers...
I'll start by saying all in all to me the results of my testing were somewhat surprising in that for the most part, and here is the huge kicker, ....... the ball doesn’t matter. Not at our level. Where strike is generally much more inconsistent than that of a touring professional. To me strike had much more of an impact on results than the ball did. This does not mean however one ball may or may not perform better for you than another. I think the numbers are all so similar that if you find a ball that you have 100% confidence in that will do what you expect it to do 100% of the time that would make a bigger difference than anything else. I think if you have a ball that you have confidence in you’ll simply hit better shots, whether it’s because you make a better swing, or keep better technique on a pitch or release the putter a little better on a putt. So for the second time after a rant, on with the numbers...
(For testing I compared current and prior year Pro V1's to the CSX, I know you may be thinking that’s apples to oranges but the Pro V1 is what I have been playing and I would never consider playing the CS as it is too soft)
First off I hit some ~50yd pitches. The first test was done with the new Po V1, the CSX then the previous Pro V1. Pictures are attached below but to briefly summarize the numbers, there was not a lot of difference here. Feel wise I think the current V1 actually felt softer comparatively to the other two. Backspin appears to be slightly higher with the current V1 but if you look my club head speed was up 1mph with that so I believe that was a contributing factor. Distance control seemed to be a little better with both V1's but accuracy was better with the CSX. You can see 4/5 shots were on identical lines with the CSX. It did however have the biggest gap between carry distances. Launch angle, peak height and decent angle were all negligible. I liked the feel of the current V1 here but accuracy of the CSX was nice.
Next was full 58* wedge shots. A little more of the same here. Distance were a little "better" ( distance is not a goal with my wedges) with the CSX and prior yr. V1 but club head speed was up with those as well so I would contribute it to that. Launch, peak height and decent were all basically the same. What did surprise me was the side spin here of the CSX, looking at all the numbers after the fact the CSX generally had the lowest side spin so it surprised me that it was the highest here. Once again the V1 just felt a little better to me. This is something I will get to later in my summary but the CSX just feels "plasticky" to me, almost like a toy and this is in hand and off of the club face. Once again no real difference here between any of the balls numbers wise.
Now for 7i's. Full disclosure I only tested the current V1 the last two rounds, I am battling a thumb injury which was starting to bother me and honestly I wasn’t going to play the prior version anyways. Club head speed and ball sped were identical. Launch angle was a hair lower with the CSX as was peak height but carry distance was the same. What jumped out to me was the side spin. Average was way lower with the CSX and there were a couple with the V1 that would have spun off of the planet right. So what this may tell is that on a poor strike the V1 has a higher probability to spin off target. And you can see by the "off line" column the variation of the CSX was far lower than that of the V1. Back spin was essentially the same. Up until this point I had favored the V1 based strictly on feel and the fact that the numbers weren’t that dissimilar but the degree to which the V1 spun off line with the 7i has now greatly altered my take on whether or not I would still play the V1 over the CSX.
Lastly the one everyone has been waiting for the Big Dog. Not to sound like a WRX blowhard but in all honesty number were a little below what I generally see from me, for both ball. As I mentions I am battling a thumb injury and I just wasn’t generating my normal club head speed. So club head speed was basically the same as was ball speed, maybe a tick lower with the CSX but not enough to say it was the ball or not. Launch angle was a tad lower with the CSX as was side spin and back spin, both good things. Also if you look closely, while the averages are approximately the same in most categories the CSX is more consistent with less variation. The CSX was a hair longer in both carry and total distance. Again if you look, except for an outlier with the CSX, the CSX was generally more online than the V1 and when i say generally I may dramatically ha.
So what does all this mean...? I would say looking back at all the numbers I may change my tone a little on the whole "ball doesn’t matter" front. I still think at our level confidence in what you’re playing means the most. I just think strike will play the biggest difference in actual numbers and confidence may make the biggest difference in strike if that makes sense. Find something you trust and believe that will do what you expect and your expectations will become reality. That being said I could not ignore how much more accurate the CSX seemed to be on all different shots. I do like the feel of the V1 more, to me the CSX just feels noticeably different in hand and off of the club face but it may just be something I could get used to. I don’t think I am going to see a huge uptick in distance in either ball but if one is consistently more on line than the other you'd have to assume that would make a great difference on scores. I'll have to play more with the CSX to see if it actually translates but seeing the quantitative data has at least peaked my interest in giving it its fair shot.
Hopefully I didn’t ramble on too much and you found this review if not helpful, at least entertaining. Cheers!
Played nine with the csx vs mtb red. Mtb red might be slightly longer but lacked the soft feel and green side spin. This might be my ball for 2018. Might grab some in yellow or truvis
I am bringing this back.
I saw Rick Shiels review and surprised that he found the ball to be clicky. I got a dozen from work of the csx and don't find them clicky.
This ball the vice pro plus and tp5x have been my favorite golf balls that I have played this year and I feel like I have tried them all haha.