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New Cleveland Frontline Putters Found

mrmikeacmrmikeac Members Posts: 496 ✭✭✭✭





Going to be interesting to hear the backstory on these, Cleveland has always made excellent putters, forget the whole "good for the price" tagline that people love to use, they are just excellent putters.

Driver: Ping G410 Plus, 10.5 Degrees set at 9.5, Weight Neutral, Tensei Orange 60 Gram Stiff
3 Wood: Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, HZRDUS Smoke 70 Gram 6.0
3 Hybrid: Ping G410 19 Degrees, Tensei Blue 80 Gram Stiff
2 Iron: Taylormade P790 UDI, Project X HZDRUS Black 85g 6.0
5-PW: Taylormade P760’s, Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120 Stiff
50 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
54 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
58 Degree: TaylorMade Hi-Toe, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
Putter: 34” Scotty Cameron Phantom X #8 
Ball: Taylormade TP5

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  • mrmikeacmrmikeac Members Posts: 496 ✭✭✭✭

    Also, it looks like the Elevado and Cero is back, which is great.

    Might just have to pick up an Elevado when released!


    Driver: Ping G410 Plus, 10.5 Degrees set at 9.5, Weight Neutral, Tensei Orange 60 Gram Stiff
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, HZRDUS Smoke 70 Gram 6.0
    3 Hybrid: Ping G410 19 Degrees, Tensei Blue 80 Gram Stiff
    2 Iron: Taylormade P790 UDI, Project X HZDRUS Black 85g 6.0
    5-PW: Taylormade P760’s, Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120 Stiff
    50 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
    54 Degree: Cleveland RTX 4, 10 Bounce, Mid Grind, Black Satin, Nippon Pro Modus 125 Wedge Flex
    58 Degree: TaylorMade Hi-Toe, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
    Putter: 34” Scotty Cameron Phantom X #8 
    Ball: Taylormade TP5
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 20,140 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Should have stayed with the Huntington Beach line.

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  • TheMagicStingerTheMagicStinger Members Posts: 693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It keeps the fleas away...

  • ProjectX_MizunoProjectX_Mizuno Members Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    They have always made great putters and a reasonable price point.

  • DigitalizedOrangeDigitalizedOrange ClubWRX Posts: 84 ✭✭✭

    These should be in stores already, or at least Golf Mart has them. They feel very stable, good feel off the face as well.

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  • Kball10Kball10 Members Posts: 212 ✭✭✭

    Funny - I saw these at Edwin Watts yesterday and thought they were very nice. I went to the Cleveland website and could not even find them.

  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Let’s not act like every putter Cleveland has made are underrated sleepers. The solid milled putters are on par with any other company’s putters, but they’ve made some Walmart level junk as well. This line looks more like the latter, based on these photos (IMO).

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    3wd: TaylorMade M4 Tour 15° | Diamana Ahina 70
    5wd: TaylorMade Aeroburner TP 18° (T.I. small head 19°)| Matrix 8Q3 Red Tie
    Irons: Wilson Staff C300 Forged 4 iron | Recoil 95 / FG Tour V6 raw 5-PW | PX Catalyst 100
    Wedges: Vokey SM7 raw 48° F (handground S), 54° M, 58° V | KBS 610
    Putters: Byron Morgan DH 89
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    Cameron AOP Oil Can Newport
    Tad Moore 1S Prototype

  • nova6868nova6868 Members Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Tungsten weights in the heel and toe?

  • Mike_CMike_C Members Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually picked up an Elevado slant neck today at EW, they had then on the floor on Friday. I like the look of the HB Elevado Soft but never pulled the trigger. I wasn't sure what to think when I first saw them, the grip seemed big, but after a few minutes rolling it it felt good. Still not sure about the weights in the front, seems counter to what most others are doing, but it does roll the ball nicely. Playing in the morning and will put it in the bag.

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    Callaway MD 4 54/10 S Modus 3 115 W
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    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne 4,  or Spider X, or Cleveland BRZ 2
    Srixon Z Star or XV
  • str8nrrwstr8nrrw Members Posts: 1

    I hit some putts today with the elevado. And I was pleasantly surprised. I’ve never like Cleveland putters and to me this looks a little “tour edge” to me. But I like the top line similar to the Scotty 5w. Needless to say, it felt nice and I am interested to test it more!

  • IvyguyIvyguy Members Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I gotta say, rolled one today. It was good.

    Actually pretty good.

    Give them a try before judging, all I'm gonna say

  • Mike_CMike_C Members Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Just found this, like I said above, this sounds counter to what everybody else is doing re:MOI:

    https://golfdigest.com/story/cleveland-frontline-putters-change-how-you-think-forgiveness-works

    The Cleveland Frontline putters stand as a counterargument to everything you thought you knew about putters and off-center hit forgiveness. Specifically, we’re talking here about the property of moment of inertia (MOI), which is a measurement of an object’s resistance to twisting on off-center hits.

    In putters, MOI has been a kind of selling point as oversized mallets and multiple material designs have touted their off-center hit performance where mis-hits roll with nearly the same ball speed as center hits because of the overall stability of that design. Typically, that stability comes from a design where the center of gravity is pushed away from the face in an oversized mallet shape.

    But Cleveland’s design team not only thinks the way high MOI has been traditionally engineered isn’t necessary, and it’s actually making your putts roll farther off-line than they should. In other words—and we know this might sound like a shock to those who think they understand a little about equipment technology—but a high-MOI putter is not going to produce straighter mis-hits.

    “It’s a fundamentally new approach to putter design,” said Jacob Lambeth, research engineer for Cleveland, who said the Frontline putters’ performance benefits mean that the same putt mis-hit off the toe that would have been missed from 10 feet would now instead find the hole at nearly 15 feet.

    What sort of magic is Cleveland talking about with the Frontline putters? Well, it’s a combination of a face pattern and a center of gravity that’s not deep (like in high MOI putters) but actually fairly close the face. It does so by inserting heel and toe tungsten weights not toward the rear of the head but inset right into the face. A CG closer to the face is the key, Lambeth said. It has to do with what’s called the azimuth angle, a measurement that refers to the way the face rotates on an off-center hit. Even on a putt, those mis-hits create some face movement. Lambeth said that when the center of gravity is farther away from the face that azimuth angle is greater creating a greater rotation. That means a typical mis-hit off the toe is going to start farther right of the hole for a right-handed player.

    “Putters are often designed with a deep cg to help with ball speed on off-center hits because of high MOI but that ignores azimuth angle,” he said. “It’s complicated because when it comes to the azimuth angle, it relates to the CG depth and the MOI, but generally speaking it’s more sensitive to the CG depth than it is the MOI.

    “The reason why we haven’t done this in the past is because if you were to move the CG forward then, yes, your toe hits might stay more on-line, but you’re going to lose a lot of ball speed. So there’s going to be a negative effect overall. But if we can retain that ball speed, then we can focus on that CG depth and focus on the azimuth angle.”

    So the challenge for Cleveland’s design team was to find a way to retain ball speed on off-center hits without having to resort to a deep CG and a high MOI. Not a problem because the team already has figured out the problem of retaining off-center hit ball speed. Seen in past versions of its TFI and HB Soft putters, the Frontline putters use a milling patter on the face that’s geared to each of the four heads in the collection (one blade, three mallets). Called “SOFT” for “speed optimized face technology,” Lambeth said the face designs basically replicate the off-center hit benefits of a high-MOI putter by using a pattern of S-shaped grooves running vertically across the putter face. A more compressed pattern in the center slows ball speed, while wider spacing allows for more direct energy transfer.
    Lambeth led the team of Cleveland Golf engineers that presented their findings on this idea during the 2018 International Sports Engineering Association’s bi-annual conference last year. In the paper, the team notes that a high MOI putter loses 6.5 percent of ball speed for a one-inch mishit and a conventional MOI putter loses over 10 percent, resulting in a performance curve that shows steep falloffs as the impact location moves laterally away from the center: “[But] using a variable depth and pitch milling pattern, ball speed normally lost on off-center hits can be recovered. By considering the exact relationship between the milling properties and ball speed, along with the putter’s inertial response on off-center impacts, this curve can be made perfectly flat within our model."

    The result is off-center hits roll with more speed than on-center hits, similar to the ball speed results a high-MOI putter would produce on a flat face putter. The difference is the Frontline putters use a CG closer to the face so the putter doesn’t rotate as much on an off-center hit, sending the ball off on a greater angle. Cleveland’s research says these face patterns reduce that mis-hit directional angle by half-a-degree to nearly two degrees on off-center hits of three-quarters of an inch.

    “We’ve perfectly counteracted the distance you would have lost by hitting it off-center,” he said. “This just wouldn’t be a good idea if we didn’t have the face technology.”

    The Frontline putters also feature the company’s aiming technology that features alignment marks set at 21.35 millimeters above the sole of the putter to match up with the center point of the ball. The intent is to make it easier to align the putter to the target regardless of a player’s eye position at address.

    The four models in the line include the Frontline 4.0 Blade, and the Elevado, Iso and Cero mallets. Each of the mallets is offered with a hosel for either a face-balanced design or a toe-hang design. Available Sept. 13, the blade will retail for $180, while the mallets are $200.

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    Big Bertha Alpha 815 Hybrid 18* Fujikura Speeder 865 S
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    Srixon Z585 5 iron Recoil 95 F5
    Srixon Z785 6-PW Recoil 95 F5
    Srixon 945 PW Recoil proto 95 F5
    Callaway MD 4 54/10 S Modus 3 115 W
    Ping Eye 2 SW 57.5 ZZ lite
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne 4,  or Spider X, or Cleveland BRZ 2
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  • nova6868nova6868 Members Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    You can get pretty high MOI using heel and toe weights. For example the old JAS Anser putters. That putter had higher MOI than many midsized mallets.

    Heck, even a stock Newport 2 has higher MOI than something like a standard #7 or 2-ball.

  • MontanagolfMontanagolf Members Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    They are up on the Cleveland website now with a pre order option

  • rlb4rlb4 Members Posts: 45 ✭✭

    Cleveland's claims of straighter ball travel are based on a 1" off-center mishit. That seems pretty uncommon to mishit a putt by that much.

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  • BubbBubb Members Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I just picked up the blade. I've only practiced with it, but it's got real promise. I like the feel, forgiveness, matte finish, angular (non-rounded) bumpers, the alignment line on the top line, the black shaft, the stealth headcover, and the sound. The best feature is the grip, though. It's spectacular. I have a 54 hole tournament this weekend which will put it to the test.

  • son_of_ketoson_of_keto Members Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited Sep 11, 2019 3:59am #18

    Lefties hosed again, 1 Model only. I’d order the blade on spec, it hits a lot of the right buttons for me. Love the tech story. Similar in some respects to the Epic Flash tech, though not quite as futuristic.

  • erock9174erock9174 North Canton, OHMembers Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    For $10 more you can change the paint fill on the Cleveland site.

    I’m going with lime

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    Handicap: 10.8


  • 5hort5tuff5hort5tuff Members Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Im always down with cleveland. They make great stuff for an even better price. This year i sold all my custom putters (except my first) and kept a cleveland HB soft 11. It will stay all next year...and hopefully many more.

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  • MontanagolfMontanagolf Members Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    Anyone have in hand pics?

  • stulll56stulll56 MinnesotaMembers Posts: 3

    I have been playing the blade model (4.0) for about 4 weeks now. It has a far different feel than any putter I've played before. Having the weight so far forward (aka on the "frontline") makes the putter feel like it swings itself. The hardest thing for me to get used to is the speed, as the face feels softer than my MetalX #8. It is super easy to get the Frontline rolling, not skidding, and on line. It's definitely the easiest putter to line up correctly, but it will bring your greens reading skills to question as every putt starts on line as aimed.

    I will be back with some pictures in the next day or two.

  • BubbBubb Members Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I put mine in play today and shot 75 but I didn’t like the putter. It seemed like the shaft had too much flex and I missed too many putts left. On the bright side, my son tried it and loves it and is going to put it into play for a tournament on Saturday.

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