How much does your ball draw?

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Around 6 months ago, I changed to a strong grip and started working on playing a draw. I’ve been playing for around 25 years, but had a lay-off for several years due to raising kiddos. When I got back into playing, I was over the top and everything had a fade ballflight. This was alright, but the wind would destroy any distance that I got. Since I changed my swing, it got me pumped to practice much more and truly excited again. My question is how much does your ball draw? With my long irons, it may move 20 yards. My short irons move around 10 yards right to left. I’m wondering if that is normal or I’m actually playing a controlled hook. Oddly enough, I can’t hardly get my driver to move much at all. Thank y’all

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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers  29483WRX Points: 2,413Handicap: 0.0Posts: 29,483 Titanium Tees
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    20yds is a massive draw. 10yds with short irons is also a massive draw. You play a massive draw

    I aint' hating on you though player , because i do too. The only thing is it can be a problem on some courses though for you hitting driver straight is a blessing. Like if you have treeline down the right and the tee box is jammed down the right side of the box. You pretty much wouldn't be able to get one in play.

    This was my biggest issue, i have been working all winter on hitting a straight ball with driver and 3 wood

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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9064WRX Points: 2,700Posts: 9,064 Titanium Tees
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    Too much

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  • crapulacrapula Golf! Members  2028WRX Points: 234Posts: 2,028 Platinum Tees
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    Try to play it for a couple rounds. First time I broke 90 I told myself just play the hook. I'd guess it was about a 20% hook, 150 yard shot would hook 30.

    For a stock shot, it's probably too much. But a good skill to remember.

    Currently I try to play a 5% fade. But knowing I can hook the crap out of it helps every once and a while. There are days where I end up playing about a 10% hook. I went through a short stretch last year where all I could do was hit a massive hook off the tee, short clubs would fade. People in my group would laugh at me, I'm talking 60 yard hook with driver that would still find the fairway.

    As long as you can recognize your tendency for the day, assuming you can't correct it, you will play the best you can for the day.

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    Nothing wrong with playing a big draw if you can control it. Anything larger than 5 yards is excessive for me. My natural ball flight is a draw and I'm currently battling it at the moment. I'm trying to get back to playing a small fade, especially with the longer clubs. As a person who struggles with the overdraw from time to time, a baby fade is a sight for sore eyes. It's going to sound clique but being able to aim left-middle and rip driver and know it's not going to go left is a liberating experience.

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    In a recent book I read, I think it was "The Practice Manual", the author said that pros rarely work the ball more than 7% of the distance. So, a 200-yard mid iron would move a maximum of 14 yards. That's about half the width of an average green.

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  • BigTexanBigTexan Members  16WRX Points: 7Posts: 16 Bunkers
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    Great. Thank y’all for the feedback. I was thinking that I overdid it by trying to hit the ball with that much of an inside/out swing. I knew that aligning at a bunker with a 9 iron and drawing it onto the green seemed a little excessive.

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    I can draw an Eye2 30 yards....seems the more offset a club has the more I tend to draw it.

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  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard SE OhioMembers  3196WRX Points: 799Handicap: 2.9Posts: 3,196 Titanium Tees
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    One of the best players at my course plays a big slinging draw/hook. He made it to Bandon Dunes s few years ago for the PubLinks championship. His ball doesn't know what going right means. He might hit a fade on accident once or twice a year.


    My draw is a bit of tamer and is closer to straight than true draw.

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    Those big slinging draws look so good. It sucks when you’re getting pinched by trees or a right hand pin location, but I do think the ball flight looks good.

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  • MelloYelloMelloYello Upstate, SCMembers  3778WRX Points: 985Handicap: 8Posts: 3,778 Titanium Tees
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    Often times the big slinging hook/draw is a function of ball position. If you keep the ball in the middle/back of your stance you increase the right-to-left on account of an in-to-out path. So moving the ball forward might be a good adjustment if you want to use the same sort of swing shape, or you can work on making a fuller turn in the back-swing combined with keeping your head back as you come through so it translates into a more high-trajectory draw as opposed to a mid-trajectory hook.


    In general, I'd say you're on the right path though. Better to hit a solid, well-compressed ball that draws a bit too much than a weak, wipe-fade / cut.

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    Ok, that is opposite of what I’m seeing. When I play it too far back, I hit it right with no draw. When I have it too far forward, I tend to hook. Too far back and I feel stuck, and too far forward feels like I’m reaching to hit the ball.

    I do agree that the strike feels much more solid than when I was hitting a fade.

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    I play a big draw. Take a look at the shot tracker on a par 3 on the pga tour, where they overall all the lines from that days shot, and I'm somewhere around the 10 biggest right to left curvatures. If it works for those 10 guys, it works for me. My biggest issue is actually trees on the right side of par 3's, I hit the ball pretty high with driver so often I can hit it over things on the right hand corner of a hole if needed. I can also manufacture something straighter with a driver or 3 wood, I can't for the life of me get an iron to turn right.

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    Ditto for me but it's because of hanging back with my head and torso and not posting up on the front leg through the shot. If you keep your head back/weight back then the more forward the ball is the more it will hook.

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  • juststevejuststeve Members  5102WRX Points: 498Posts: 5,102 Titanium Tees
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    When I am not trying to draw the ball my pitching wedge flies straight, Driver draws about five yards.


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  • rich_s2rich_s2 wisconsinMembers  1009WRX Points: 790Handicap: 1.6Posts: 1,009 Platinum Tees
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    Interesting topic as my buddy and I talk extensively about this. We both shape the ball both ways and to varying degrees. I think the purpose in shaping the ball is to create a larger miss area. A big draw with driver on a dog leg left creates a much larger miss area than a fade on the same hole. Neither of us have what we want to call a stock shot. I have no issue drawing the ball 20 yards if the hole calls for it. You can open up HUGE miss areas on green by shaping the ball. We have a par 3 at our home course that if you play a fade to a tucked right pin, you can hit the green in a 10yd wide area and end up within 10' of the hole. Play a draw and you need to hit it within 10'.

    The only other thing I will add is that if you play really firm greens, the big draw is near impossible to stop. I don't focus on all 9 shots but I have the big draw, small draw, fade, low stinger and high shot.

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  • jmkenn0jmkenn0 Members  779WRX Points: 147Posts: 779 Golden Tee
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    At what point does a draw become a hook :)? Cause that's my draw. I worked for several years to get more neutral, but I think I'm going to go back to the big swinging draw. It requires less maintenance (for me) and, lets be honest, its just more fun!

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  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard SE OhioMembers  3196WRX Points: 799Handicap: 2.9Posts: 3,196 Titanium Tees
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    A draw to me just falls left. Hook needs to hit something to stop it...

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    I've always thought its a draw if you can play it and consistently hold a fairway or a green with it. Some of those could be pretty massive draws. If you can't ht the fairway or a green consistently with it, you're a downright dirty hooker.

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  • davep043davep043 Members  4881WRX Points: 2,106Handicap: 6.3Posts: 4,881 Titanium Tees
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    I agree with this, too much. Except when it draws too little.

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