It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[swizbeatz]

Anyone catching "flyers" with the 115 wedge shafts? I might look at moving up in weight over the winter, I've been hitting a few 52/56 way further than normal.

[t4t3r]

How do the 105s fit into the chart above?

[jonn443]

[quote name='t4t3r' timestamp='1444222920' post='12421878']
How do the 105s fit into the chart above?
[/quote]

I would say 105=XP/S300=KBS Tour90

The 105s are the retail ST Protos (Tour Only). They are known to be lighter then the 120s and 125s but play similar in flight and feel as the 125.

Mark could probably give you a better description I'm sure.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Lefty19' timestamp='1444218749' post='12421648']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1430324423' post='11466103']
125 is basically equal to DG, maybe just a touch softer, like a smidge.

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS
120 R / [b]125 R ssx1[/b] / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R
120 S ssx1 / [b]125 R[/b] / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R
130 R / [b]125 R hsx1[/b] / [b]125 S ssx1 [/b]/ 5.0-5.4 / S400 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R
120 S / [b]125 S[/b] / 5.5 / S300 / SSx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S
120 X / [b]125 S hsx1[/b] / [b]125 X ssx1[/b] / 6.0-6.4 / S300 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X
130 S / [b]125 X [/b]/ 6.3-6.8 / S400 HSx1, X100, X200 SSx1 / Tour V S HSx1
120 TX / [b]125 X hsx1[/b] / 6.5-7.0 / X100 HSx1, X200 / C-Taper X
130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 SSx1 / Tour V 120&125 X
130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper X

SSx1 = Soft Step 1 timeHSx1 = Hard Step 1 time.
[/quote]


Is this still relatively accurate?

-David
[/quote]

If anything I'd say I have the 120S is too stiff on there, 125S is stiffer than 120S. I don't have 120S hsx1 so maybe that 120S equal to the 125S should actually be 120S hsx1. 120S would be closer to 130R.

ST proto / Tour105 would fit between the 125 and 125ssx1 areas IMO. 105S is very similar to a 125S but could possibly play like a 125S soft stepped only because of the weight. A 125S user may want to hard-step 105S. Depends, its about feel at that point. 105 is for sure 1/2 flex or more stiff feeling than 120 due to the 105's stiffer butt section. I have hit the 105X many times and the flex doesn't seem too soft, it is the lighter weight that I don't care for. I didn't ever struggle with it left. I hit too many that floated up too high and fell or I felt I flushed it an it was 15y shorter than I expected.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1444219627' post='12421682']
Anyone catching "flyers" with the 115 wedge shafts? I might look at moving up in weight over the winter, I've been hitting a few 52/56 way further than normal.
[/quote]

Only when I mis-hit.

[AUDuffer]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1444219627' post='12421682']
Anyone catching "flyers" with the 115 wedge shafts? I might look at moving up in weight over the winter, I've been hitting a few 52/56 way further than normal.
[/quote]

You'd need a "flyer" lie to hit a flyer wouldn't you? I would recommend hitting from the fairway! :-)

[CBH]

Mark, question for you or others with real world experience.

First of all, thanks to everyone for the time and effort put into this thread. It's a wealth of info and I have read all 73 pages. I am new to this forum and this thread keeps me coming back.

I am 38 years old, 6'3" / 205 pounds, and a life long hoops players before giving it up for golf about 6 years ago. I am about a 12 handicap with 6 iron SS around 90 with carry of 185. Currently playing MP54 +0.5 inch with KBS Tour Stiff, which I was fit for about 1.5 years ago. A fitting this summer at TPI suggested I go with C Taper S+. Since then my swing has gotten a bit better and I have started to notice more distance, but some big draws/hooks creeping into my game. I'm buying a MP5/25 combo soon and want a smoother, lighter shaft with a slightly lower trajectory and to eliminate the hooks.

I purchased 3 MP52 clubs off eBay and want to get them shafted with Modus 3 shafts to test which shafts I should put in the MP5/25. One of the MP52's came with Nippon 950 Stiff, which was very smooth but too light...bigger hooks. The other 2 came with DG S300, which was way too heavy and not satisfying enough on any contact...almost harsh.

This is what I am thinking for test shafts.
105X straight in
120X straight in
125X ss1x

Given what I am trying to accomplish, would you agree with this or change something? Once I have spent time with the test shafts I can fine tune (ss, hs, etc.) before ordering the full set of shafts.

Thanks for your help in advance,
C

[Bogey_Fly_By]

[quote name='CBH' timestamp='1444369165' post='12431560']
Mark, question for you or others with real world experience.

First of all, thanks to everyone for the time and effort put into this thread. It's a wealth of info and I have read all 73 pages. I am new to this forum and this thread keeps me coming back.

I am 38 years old, 6'3" / 205 pounds, and a life long hoops players before giving it up for golf about 6 years ago. I am about a 12 handicap with 6 iron SS around 90 with carry of 185. Currently playing MP54 +0.5 inch with KBS Tour Stiff, which I was fit for about 1.5 years ago. A fitting this summer at TPI suggested I go with C Taper S+. Since then my swing has gotten a bit better and I have started to notice more distance, but some big draws/hooks creeping into my game. I'm buying a MP5/25 combo soon and want a smoother, lighter shaft with a slightly lower trajectory and to eliminate the hooks.

I purchased 3 MP52 clubs off eBay and want to get them shafted with Modus 3 shafts to test which shafts I should put in the MP5/25. One of the MP52's came with Nippon 950 Stiff, which was very smooth but too light...bigger hooks. The other 2 came with DG S300, which was way too heavy and not satisfying enough on any contact...almost harsh.

This is what I am thinking for test shafts.
105X straight in
120X straight in
125X ss1x

Given what I am trying to accomplish, would you agree with this or change something? Once I have spent time with the test shafts I can fine tune (ss, hs, etc.) before ordering the full set of shafts.

Thanks for your help in advance,
C
[/quote]

Due to the high spin tendencies of the 120's I would recommend them hard stepped one time or 120tx to try and knock a little of the spin down. I also had c tapers s+ and it was night and day difference for me between the two.

[HidekiWoods]

I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else’s, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444514502' post='12439012']
I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else’s, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA
[/quote]

Sounds like you'd fit right into the 125 x ssx1.

I'm no expert though.

[HidekiWoods]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444521955' post='12439412']
[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444514502' post='12439012']
I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else's, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA
[/quote]

Sounds like you'd fit right into the 125 x ssx1.

I'm no expert though.
[/quote]

Thanks. Have not had a chance to get my hands on them yet.

[sethdavidsdad]

[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444514502' post='12439012']
I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else’s, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA
[/quote]
Former Dg s300 and c-taper s+ golfer.
I did not like the 1150 at all. Put in a set of modus 120x shafts in my MP5's. So far really like them. Might be tempted to try the 125s or 125x but kind of like the feel of the 120x. Love the soft feel. Much better feel than the c-tapers.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444514502' post='12439012']
I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else’s, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA
[/quote]
125 S, possibly hard-stepped or 105X soft-stepped would be on my recommended list of next to try.

[markheardjr]

Oh, in case anyone missed it...Haas on last hole, last match, last day, CLUTCH!

Looks like ST Proto aka Tour105 in a long iron.

[attachment=2989588:IMG_0436.JPG]

[swizbeatz]

Should the 105 apex higher than most other Nippon shafts excluding some of the light weight gh models?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1444667857' post='12445760']
Should the 105 apex higher than most other Nippon shafts excluding some of the light weight gh models?
[/quote]

Hmm. I'd say depends on your swing and how much spin you generate. 120 could apex higher because it is higher spin, but it is lower launch. 130 Also apex's pretty high because it is higher launch but the lower spin makes it not climb like crazy. But it really depends on your swing and impact at position. I would say it would be a smidge higher than 125 for the same swing because the profile is the same, just lighter in the 105. But compared to 130 or 120 it really depends. sorry, not a straight answer.

[slickca21]

Thought I would add a bit more after spending more time with the modus 105. In comparison to the modus 120, it apex lower and spins less. The 120 peaked higher and spun a lot. As such I got rid of the 120.

As well, the 105 feels more butt stuff. My other gamer set has Nippon 1050s and while feel is the same, the 105 does have more weight towards the butt and does suit someone with a mid to late release better. The 1050 seems to fit all swing types.

As for distance, the 1050 is about the same as the 105 and the 120 was the shortest for me.

[HidekiWoods]

Slick...what flex did you try the 105 and 120 in? Did you ever try 1150?

What's your swing speed and characteristics?

Sorry for all the questions.

[jonn443]

[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444514502' post='12439012']
I would appreciate any advice I could get on my quest to find the correct irons shaft. Below are my experiences in order with each shaft.

1) DGS300: OK launch and spin. I wanted to find a lighter shaft to see if I could get some more distance. I also was losing some shots left.

2) Nippon 1150 Stiff: This shaft was actually recommended by the Mizuno shaft optimizer and the carry numbers on trackman/ stimulator were LONG. However when I got the shafts put it and played some rounds the ball spun way too much and I was about 1 -1.5 clubs short. Ball was ballooning pretty badly on me.

3) DGX100 tour issue: I hit these OK, but did not really like the feel. I also am not getting the carry distance I need. Spin is not a problem, but they are launching too low.

4) Modus 120 Stiff: Hit these OK. I like the feel, maybe just a smidge flimsy feel, but not a huge issue. The spin is pretty high, but the launch is still pretty low. My carry distance don't seem to suffer until too much until I get to about the 6 or 7 iron and higher, then they start to balloon slightly.

I have not really changed anything in my swing lately, and am also a pretty good ball striker.

My goal is the same as everyone else’s, more distance and low dispersion.

Any idea on what might be a good fit? Modus 130 Stiff, 120 X, etc???
TIA
[/quote]

I'd say 125S HS or 130S if you want a little more heft. I was a DGS300 user and I love the 125S straight installed.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1444664287' post='12445452']
Oh, in case anyone missed it...Haas on last hole, last match, last day, CLUTCH!

Looks like ST Proto aka Tour105 in a long iron.

[attachment=2989588:IMG_0436.JPG]
[/quote]STraight in the bunker. Haas coverage was limited for the day.

[jonn443]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444689584' post='12447290']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1444664287' post='12445452']
Oh, in case anyone missed it...Haas on last hole, last match, last day, CLUTCH!

Looks like ST Proto aka Tour105 in a long iron.

[attachment=2989588:IMG_0436.JPG]
[/quote]STraight in the bunker. Haas coverage was limited for the day.
[/quote]

Lol...agreed

If Bae didn't pull the "Mahan" on the fairway and halved or won the hole, you wouldn't have heard a word on Haas.

Bae was a beast at the President's cup, with Sh*t luck.

[slickca21]

[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444672070' post='12446090']Slick...what flex did you try the 105 and 120 in? Did you ever try 1150?

What's your swing speed and characteristics?

Sorry for all the questions.[/quote]

The 105 and 120 were both stiff flex. My 6 irons is around 87mph and have a mid release on my irons. My AOA is around -4 degrees.

I've tried the 1150 and it's a very different animal than the above. It did not get along with my swing. I tried both a regular and stiff flex in that shaft. Loads very different than the above.



[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444672070' post='12446090']Slick...what flex did you try the 105 and 120 in? Did you ever try 1150?

What's your swing speed and characteristics?

Sorry for all the questions.[/quote]

The 105 and 120 were both stiff flex. My 6 irons is around 87mph and have a mid release on my irons. My AOA is around -4 degrees.

I've tried the 1150 and it's a very different animal than the above. It did not get along with my swing. I tried both a regular and stiff flex in that shaft. Loads very different than the above.



[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444672070' post='12446090']Slick...what flex did you try the 105 and 120 in? Did you ever try 1150?

What's your swing speed and characteristics?

Sorry for all the questions.[/quote]

The 105 and 120 were both stiff flex. My 6 irons is around 87mph and have a mid release on my irons. My AOA is around -4 degrees.

I've tried the 1150 and it's a very different animal than the above. It did not get along with my swing. I tried both a regular and stiff flex in that shaft. Loads very different than the above.



[quote name='Long knocker' timestamp='1444672070' post='12446090']Slick...what flex did you try the 105 and 120 in? Did you ever try 1150?

What's your swing speed and characteristics?

Sorry for all the questions.[/quote]

The 105 and 120 were both stiff flex. My 6 irons is around 87mph and have a mid release on my irons. My AOA is around -4 degrees.

I've tried the 1150 and it's a very different animal than the above. It did not get along with my swing. I tried both a regular and stiff flex in that shaft. Loads very different than the above.

[nova6868]

[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.

[3_Putt_Par]

It's the difference between the uncut weight and the cut weight. In the review, GSR says "A new shaft, third in the Nippon Modus3 line released in the US in May 2015, it is available through Nippon Certified Dealers. I got my first look at [b]two pullouts[/b] that were used at the PGA merchandise show two months ago."

The review continues and states "[i][b]Cut to standard length it plays around 120 grams.[/b][/i]"

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1444709444' post='12448810']
[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.
[/quote]

Mine weighed in just a shade over 130, not sure if it was because they're supposedly "tour issue" or not.

I didn't think Nippon differentiated between retail and tour, so other possibility could be mine were some of the original JDM market production.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444732414' post='12449182']
[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1444709444' post='12448810']
[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.
[/quote]

Mine weighed in just a shade over 130, not sure if it was because they're supposedly "tour issue" or not.

I didn't think Nippon differentiated between retail and tour, so other possibility could be mine were some of the original JDM market production.
[/quote]
Funny, I'd actually expect the JDM to be lighter if anything.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1444764519' post='12451372']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444732414' post='12449182']
[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1444709444' post='12448810']
[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.
[/quote]

Mine weighed in just a shade over 130, not sure if it was because they're supposedly "tour issue" or not.

I didn't think Nippon differentiated between retail and tour, so other possibility could be mine were some of the original JDM market production.
[/quote]
Funny, I'd actually expect the JDM to be lighter if anything.
[/quote]I was actually hesitant to install them after I got the raw weights, but they don't play/feel heavy, I'm guessing my cut weights are roughly 125 grams or so.

[jonn443]

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444774670' post='12452134']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1444764519' post='12451372']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444732414' post='12449182']
[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1444709444' post='12448810']
[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.
[/quote]

Mine weighed in just a shade over 130, not sure if it was because they're supposedly "tour issue" or not.

I didn't think Nippon differentiated between retail and tour, so other possibility could be mine were some of the original JDM market production.
[/quote]
Funny, I'd actually expect the JDM to be lighter if anything.
[/quote]I was actually hesitant to install them after I got the raw weights, but they don't play/feel heavy, I'm guessing my cut weights are roughly 125 grams or so.
[/quote]

I love the 125S in my J15CBs.

[HidekiWoods]

[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1444846045' post='12455844'][quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444774670' post='12452134']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1444764519' post='12451372']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1444732414' post='12449182']
[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1444709444' post='12448810']
[b]Weight of Modus Tour 125[/b]

So has this been discussed previously? I didn't see it. What is the actual weight?

For the stiff shaft, Nippon lists it as 128.5 grams, but GolfShaftReviews (pretty legit) say they weighed it at 119.8 grams.
[/quote]

Mine weighed in just a shade over 130, not sure if it was because they're supposedly "tour issue" or not.

I didn't think Nippon differentiated between retail and tour, so other possibility could be mine were some of the original JDM market production.
[/quote]
Funny, I'd actually expect the JDM to be lighter if anything.
[/quote]I was actually hesitant to install them after I got the raw weights, but they don't play/feel heavy, I'm guessing my cut weights are roughly 125 grams or so.
[/quote]

I love the 125S in my J15CBs.[/quote]

What shafts did you use before?

I wish more OEMs offered the 125.

[MJisGOAT]

^

I've played dgs300, s300ssx1, s400 TI, Kbs tour, px 6.0, CFS stiff, c taper, c taper light, modus 120, Nippon 1150, and super peening blue (I think that's it).


The 125's have the qualities that I preferred from the best of nearly each of the shafts I listed. Stability of the dynamic gold, feel of the Kbs, flight of the px, and tightness of the c taper.

If I were to play anything else it'd be s400 TI ssx1 for the weight and balance, but the 125's give me the flight and feel that I'm looking for in the irons at the moment.