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[scomac2002]

> @tolmij said:

> > @scomac2002 said:

> > > @tolmij said:

> > > > @SixtySomePing said:

> > > > > @Fellaheen51 said:

> > > > > @Hankshank, our Scandinavian Compadre. A box is the long corrugated enclosure that one receives new golf implements in. Usually left on the doorstep of one's abode. Best retrieved before the SO spots it, thereby minimizing the need to explain. Also, used to ship out liquidated clubs to the next. One can never have to many of these long boxes on hand to facilitate this exchange.

> > > > And, the value of the content is only surpassed by the difficulty of opening said box...

> > > >

> > >

> > > Please Grillers, do not talk about boxes or their contents, DW has this past 12 months been on an online spending spree. This OZ SALE has all the best brands at up to 90% off so the spending begins.

> > >

> > > Boxes, little boxes, big boxes, long boxes, heavy boxes, how many more types do you need, I have had every one delivered last year. ?

> >

> > Don't worry @tolmij ; you're not the only one The boxes collect around here too and no matter how many I burn there are more coming in on a regular basis. The funny part about this is that i don't ever really recall boxes stacking up the way they do now when I was younger. I think we just bought less stuff with most of it coming from a bricks and mortar store rather than a virtual retailer.

>

> We have garbage bins emptied every two weeks used only for recycled waste, most of last year even though all the boxes were flattened and cut up the bin was full of boxes.

 

As do we and I just put ours out this morning. Because we live on a rural property we are still allowed permitted open air burning. Boxboard and shredded paper provide the necessary accelerant to burn green wood which is often what we're dealing with in terms of downed limbs and tree trimmings, pine cones, locust pods, etc.

[Reasonability]

Growing a little concerned for Scotee. Sounded like a computer was fixed up on his end. Sort of assumed that effort got him back up and running. But since, he's basically gone silent. Hopefully he and his bride are off on another fun journey taking cool pics.

[Reasonability]

Sitting here listening to Masters commentary on TV. Yet another nebulous golf lingo term floated out there to nods all around the table. This time it was "overswinging".

 

You know me well enough by now to know how such things get me shaking my head. Overswinging means something different to anyone you ask. There's prolly five combinations of ways it can happen. I "get it" that some sort of lingo goes with virtually any endeavor. It almost has to. Fine. I'm also cool with the fact individuality in golf is always going to put a personal spin (see what I did there?) on things.

 

What eats at me is terms like this just don't have to be so fuzzy. Nor do they need to be so flippantly used. Just say it in simple terms so Joe Blow can follow right along rather than causing him to shut-down and feel once again left out or ignorant.

 

"Steep". "Shallow". Two other absolutely messy terms hurled at us so hard and fast we need a flak jacket.

 

This stuff just does NOT need to be such a hairball. Blows me away.

[scomac2002]

> @Reasonability said:

> Sitting here listening to Masters commentary. Yet another nebulous golf lingo term floated out there to nods all around the table. This time it was "overswinging".

>

> You know me well enough by now to know how such things get me shaking my head. Overswinging means something different to anyone you ask. There's prolly five combinations of ways it can happen. I "get it" that some sort of lingo goes with virtually any endeavor. It almost has to. Fine. I'm also cool with the fact individuality in golf is always going to put a personal spin (see what I did there?) on things.

>

> What eats at me is terms like this just don't have to be so fuzzy. Just say it in simple terms so Joe Blow can follow right along rather than causing him to shut-down and feel once again left out or ignorant.

>

> "Steep". "Shallow". Two other absolutely messy terms hurled at us so hard and fast we need a flak jacket.

>

> This stuff just does NOT need to be such a hairball. Blows me away.

 

Count me as Joe Blow. This is why my eyes glaze over when conversation turns technical throwing around all sorts of jargon pertaining to the golf swing. This is supposed to be fun, not some sort of endurance test of mind over body. In fact I know it doesn't work, at least for me, when things get too complicated. The default then becomes too hard don't attempt!

 

Even the link that @Fellaheen51 provided yesterday to the six keys to the golf swing gets that way. As I was reading through it my mind immediately went to: dude's and engineer or something and is intent on writing a book on this subject. What started with promise as a few simple keys spoon evolves into a dissertation!

[Fellaheen51]

The nattering nabobs have to justify their comprehensive knowledge of all things golf by pronouncing such utterances. Why they're sitting in the chairs, collecting a check, and we're not. This senior average Joe has a hard time processing what is meant by overswinging when the **average** clubhead speed of a tour professional is ~113 mph.

 

All I know about over swinging is when I do it, the ball travels right. Usually waaay right.

 

 

[scomac2002]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> The nattering nabobs have to justify their comprehensive knowledge of all things golf by pronouncing such utterances. Why they're sitting in the chairs, collecting a check, and we're not. This senior average Joe has a hard time processing what is meant by overswinging when the **average** clubhead speed of a tour professional is ~113 mph.

>

>** All I know about over swinging is when I do it, the ball travels right. Usually waaay right.**

>

>

Exactly and the cure is to shorten up the backswing and take your time to complete it. Voila! Ball go straight!

 

That's about all I care to know on the topic, thank you very much.

 

[Reasonability]

> @scomac2002 said:

> > @Reasonability said:

> > Sitting here listening to Masters commentary. Yet another nebulous golf lingo term floated out there to nods all around the table. This time it was "overswinging".

> >

> > You know me well enough by now to know how such things get me shaking my head. Overswinging means something different to anyone you ask. There's prolly five combinations of ways it can happen. I "get it" that some sort of lingo goes with virtually any endeavor. It almost has to. Fine. I'm also cool with the fact individuality in golf is always going to put a personal spin (see what I did there?) on things.

> >

> > What eats at me is terms like this just don't have to be so fuzzy. Just say it in simple terms so Joe Blow can follow right along rather than causing him to shut-down and feel once again left out or ignorant.

> >

> > "Steep". "Shallow". Two other absolutely messy terms hurled at us so hard and fast we need a flak jacket.

> >

> > This stuff just does NOT need to be such a hairball. Blows me away.

>

> Count me as Joe Blow. This is why my eyes glaze over when conversation turns technical throwing around all sorts of jargon pertaining to the golf swing. This is supposed to be fun, not some sort of endurance test of mind over body. In fact I know it doesn't work, at least for me, when things get too complicated. The default then becomes too hard don't attempt!

>

> Even the link that @Fellaheen51 provided yesterday to the six keys to the golf swing gets that way. As I was reading through it my mind immediately went to: dude's and engineer or something and is intent on writing a book on this subject. What started with promise as a few simple keys spoon evolves into a dissertation!

 

Bingo! Therein lies an inherent issue that's so widespread and so very common to so many golfers. Joe Blow just gets totally vaporized in a twisted lingo mess rather than enjoying new and fun ways to explore his own swing.

 

All manner of individual right-brained, left-brained, learning style "stuff" enters into it. I can't lay blame entirely on golf lingo. Just saying whenever poor old Joe out there is already halfway feeling bamboozeled by his own results, the LAST thing he needs is paradoxically the FIRST thing he needs. He needs a roadmap he can relate to so that he can enjoy whatever incremental or break-through moments await to be found.

 

He needs words. Language. Pictures. Clarity. He "may" need to tether the how part to the why component. But for many, a simple "how" is good enough. Yet Joe is so often not going to let himself "go there" to the extent almost no words, pictures, clarity, exist.

 

I maintain the bridge for Joe is far easier to cross, and he'll actually want to cross it, the instant nebulous jargon takes on meaning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fellaheen51]

This was a test that inadvertently got posted. Carry on.

 

[Reasonability]

Hope and trust I'm not being misunderstood this morn.

 

I don't want or need other golfers to do anything I do or see what I see. By no means do I have all the answers. I'm not one degree smarter, better, wiser, or sitting on higher ground than the next guy.

 

There's no such universe where all things golf can be spelled-out in a pure and simple connect-the-dots fashion. A guy named Hogan tried it, promising we could all shoot 80. Had no jargon in it. Many parts of it, I could relate to. Other specific passages not so much. But despite his promise and simple jargon-free approach, I notice the golf universe is far from being one book everyone reads followed by always breaking 80.

 

The heck with Hogan. Just used it as a reference point. There's a billion ways to cite other (maybe better) roadmaps than him and him only. Just wish it all weren't such a hidden, touchy, and muted part of the journey. It is what it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fellaheen51]

Despite proclamations on ball preference to the contrary. First time spotted in the wild this am. Sez urethane. 3 piece, 4 piece what's the diff? How bad can they be? For 24 bucks, I'll game. Rather than lose the costlier ones.

 

 

[billh17]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> Despite proclamations on ball preference to the contrary. First time spotted in the wild this am. Sez urethane. 3 piece, 4 piece what's the diff? How bad can they be? For 24 bucks, I'll game. Rather than lose the costlier ones.

>

>

>

Heard a lot about them,but I have never seen them for sale anywhere. If I couldfind them,i'd give them a try too ! The one I play is about the same price but these

have really been getting good reviews. Interested to hear your comments on them.

 

[Fellaheen51]

The local Costco had three pallets full. First time I’d seen them in a store. Might check.

 

Found one last year while playing. Dropped it to try. First shot I careened it off a tree. It may not have been entirely the ball's fault. YMMV.

 

 

[billh17]

No Cosco close to me. I'll run across them someday. I found a Snell once. Like you,the first

time I hit it was less than wanted !

[SixtySomePing]

One thing I've noticed while watching the Masters, there always seems to be a new kid who makes their way to the top who I've never heard of, usually named something like 'Rustin Leaknoser', and you find out they are from Finland, and have won 16 Amateur titles, and one or two small Reynolds Aluminum Titles, and they won some college title as they graduated from Stanford, etc etc, and this is their first Masters. So now after day 2 they are tied for the lead after seeing Augusta for the first time using borrowed clubs since theirs were run over by a backhoe (???) Where have I been? ✨

[SixtySomePing]

Hey, I'm a member, drinks for all...

[Fellaheen51]

This website has seen some improvements in the last day or so. Small things, but progress nevertheless. Perhaps it's simply the 'old' system being further in the rearview mirror.

 

Watching the Masters today, began wondering. Could any of us break 100 on ANGC? Playing from the forward (members) tees. Keeping the ball in play. Seems to have rather generous fairways and non-penal rough. Laying up often. The elevation differences would be challenging. Greens would be extreme compared to what we typically putt. Playing without the added pressure of being with members. @Reasonability has been on the grounds IIRC. What do you think? Pipe dream or possibility?

 

Am I only just noticing today? These guys sure play a number of whacky putters these days. The thing Adam Scott is using looks huge. That one guy (Justin Harding, never heard of him) using a long putter that seemingly comes up to his chin.

 

Jason Day sure seems to have been playing through a number of physical conditions that last couple of years. Always liked him. Wouldn't mind seeing him pickup a win. On Sunday final pairing with Adam Scott. For Tol. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!

 

TW prowling. Anyone's opinion on him is more than justified and understandable. But he does make it interesting when he's in contention (Despite the hyperventilating commentary that surrounds him). Also wonder, if we were to show up for mythical round at Augusta. Would they let us on the course with a no collar shirt like TW wore today? Or be promptly escorted off the grounds.

 

I don't like pimento cheese. Maybe the stuff they serve at ANGC isn't the processed variety.

 

Once found a Masters polo shirt at a estate sale. When I tried wearing it, thought it made me look like a tool. Sold it for a nice ROI.

 

One-length had a rough day. The physics must have went off axis. The X-man playing himself into contention. Don't know what it is about Brooks Koepka that rubs me the wrong way? Does JustinThomas ever smile?

 

Killing time waiting on the Mrs to head out for dinner. Just announced, she's ready.

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> This website has seen some improvements in the last day or so. Small things, but progress nevertheless. Perhaps it's simply the 'old' system being further in the rearview mirror.

>

> Watching the Masters today, began wondering. Could any of us break 100 on ANGC? Playing from the forward (members) tees. Keeping the ball in play. Seems to have rather generous fairways and non-penal rough. Laying up often. The elevation differences would be challenging. Greens would be extreme compared to what we typically putt. Playing without the added pressure of being with members. @Reasonability has been on the grounds IIRC. What do you think? Pipe dream or possibility?

>

> Am I only just noticing today? These guys sure play a number of whacky putters these days. The thing Adam Scott is using looks huge. That one guy (Justin Harding, never heard of him) using a long putter that seemingly comes up to his chin.

>

> Jason Day sure seems to have been playing through a number of physical conditions that last couple of years. Always liked him. Wouldn't mind seeing him pickup a win. On Sunday final pairing with Adam Scott. For Tol. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!

>

> TW prowling. Anyone's opinion on him is more than justified and understandable. But he does make it interesting when he's in contention (Despite the hyperventilating commentary that surrounds him). Also wonder, if we were to show up for mythical round at Augusta. Would they let us on the course with a no collar shirt like TW wore today? Or be promptly escorted off the grounds.

>

> I don't like pimento cheese. Maybe the stuff they serve at ANGC isn't the processed variety.

>

> Once found a Masters polo shirt at a estate sale. When I tried wearing it, thought it made me look like a tool. Sold it for a nice ROI.

>

> One-length had a rough day. The physics must have went off axis. The X-man playing himself into contention. Don't know what it is about Brooks Koepka that rubs me the wrong way? Does JustinThomas ever smile?

>

> Killing time waiting on the Mrs to head out for dinner. Just announced, she's ready.

>

 

Jason and his family live here in Columbus (Dublin) very well liked. I've always like Adam, I hope he does well, it's building up to be a very good Masters with an exciting finish, still time for a break through guy to make a stab at it as well... Justin Thomas doesn't seem to smile no, Rory got his portion.

[Conrad1953]

Ha, someone else doesn't care for Koepka. It goes back to that first US Open he won for me. He just

seemed a bit cocky and the next few times he was interviewed kept saying "I don't care" like playing

PGA Tour golf wasn't all that important to him.

 

I do want Rickie to win but if not him I can certainly pull for Tiger. He was fun to watch today. Still

can't count out Rory at 7 back. He has crazy game at times and I would not be surprised if he got hot

and got back in this.

 

I wonder if we'll see some separation tomorrow. I hope not (unless it's Rickie or Tiger). A bunched

leaderboard will make for some great viewing Sunday.

 

Oh....and I don't like pimento cheese either..............but I'll eat it for some Masters tickets.

[scomac2002]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> Watching the Masters today, began wondering. **Could any of us break 100 on ANGC?** Playing from the forward (members) tees. Keeping the ball in play. Seems to have rather generous fairways and non-penal rough. Laying up often. The elevation differences would be challenging. Greens would be extreme compared to what we typically putt. Playing without the added pressure of being with members. @Reasonability has been on the grounds IIRC. What do you think? Pipe dream or possibility?

>

:lol:

 

Don't know about the rest of you, but I might have trouble breaking 100 on the par 3 course playing twice through!

 

[Added] FWIW I'm entered in the Masters pool at the curling club. You pick a line of five players for $5 with the winner getting half and the club getting half. So far my team is at -20 so I think that I'm probably in the mix or at least I hope so. I like my odds at lot better at the pool than i do at actually playing the tract!

[Reasonability]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> This website has seen some improvements in the last day or so. Small things, but progress nevertheless. Perhaps it's simply the 'old' system being further in the rearview mirror.

>

> Watching the Masters today, began wondering. Could any of us break 100 on ANGC? Playing from the forward (members) tees. Keeping the ball in play. Seems to have rather generous fairways and non-penal rough. Laying up often. The elevation differences would be challenging. Greens would be extreme compared to what we typically putt. Playing without the added pressure of being with members. @Reasonability has been on the grounds IIRC. What do you think? Pipe dream or possibility?

>

> Am I only just noticing today? These guys sure play a number of whacky putters these days. The thing Adam Scott is using looks huge. That one guy (Justin Harding, never heard of him) using a long putter that seemingly comes up to his chin.

>

> Jason Day sure seems to have been playing through a number of physical conditions that last couple of years. Always liked him. Wouldn't mind seeing him pickup a win. On Sunday final pairing with Adam Scott. For Tol. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!

>

> TW prowling. Anyone's opinion on him is more than justified and understandable. But he does make it interesting when he's in contention (Despite the hyperventilating commentary that surrounds him). Also wonder, if we were to show up for mythical round at Augusta. Would they let us on the course with a no collar shirt like TW wore today? Or be promptly escorted off the grounds.

>

> I don't like pimento cheese. Maybe the stuff they serve at ANGC isn't the processed variety.

>

> Once found a Masters polo shirt at a estate sale. When I tried wearing it, thought it made me look like a tool. Sold it for a nice ROI.

>

> One-length had a rough day. The physics must have went off axis. The X-man playing himself into contention. Don't know what it is about Brooks Koepka that rubs me the wrong way? Does JustinThomas ever smile?

>

> Killing time waiting on the Mrs to head out for dinner. Just announced, she's ready.

>

 

We'd be astounded at the slope, green undulations and speed, and indescribable beauty. We'd be happy with how short the rough is.

 

My swing coach has played it. A few times. Says putting is a killer so the approaches have to be left in the right spots.

 

As a patron visiting the tournament, you often spot something TV doesn't show. The member tees are located a LONG ways forward from the tournament tees. Check it out:

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/how-different-is-augusta-natio

 

[Reasonability]

Food options are plentiful for the non-pimento cheese gang. Drinks all presented in a ANGC cup and all beer taps have an upside green cup on the tap to hide the brand. ANGC logo ONLY is seen. Even sandwiches are wrapped in green cellophane.

 

And right about now I'd drink a bucket of freshly boiled horse hockey thru a bendy straw for one lousy ticket. Immoral acts with a porpoise are not off the table. ?

 

Edit: just got a call at 10PM. My Sonny Boy scored a ticket (for himself) thru a friend for tomorrow! Yabba dabba! The two of them are lifelong buds. What a great day they have in store. How cool is that?!?!?

 

BAM!

[scomac2002]

Pretty cool @Reasonability! Lots of good news today.

[scotee]

> @Reasonability said:

> Growing a little concerned for Scotee. Sounded like a computer was fixed up on his end. Sort of assumed that effort got him back up and running. But since, he's basically gone silent. Hopefully he and his bride are off on another fun journey taking cool pics.

 

Not to fear scotee is near. Back home from another trip to Spokane. We went up Wed. night for the main part of Mrs. scotee's shoulder treatment. Thurs. morning they sedated her and took blood cells from her hip. We went back in the afternoon and they injected the processed stem cells into her shoulder. We stayed over last night and took her car to have some warranty work today. I have spent quite a bit of time in medical and auto dealer waiting rooms. She did great. Some soreness but no real pain. Back next week for one more. A blood draw and PRP injections into the same shoulder and the other side for good measure and into her sore achilles tendon. Then we wait. If it works I may be tempted to have some of my balky parts stemmed and stirred.

Ok one cool bride pic from Spokane:

 

 

[scotee]

> @Fellaheen51 said:

> Despite proclamations on ball preference to the contrary. First time spotted in the wild this am. Sez urethane. 3 piece, 4 piece what's the diff? How bad can they be? For 24 bucks, I'll game. Rather than lose the costlier ones.

>

>

>

 

I have played them quite a bit @Fellaheen51 I like the original 4 pc. a little better but they are no longer available. The 3pc. has a nice soft feel and is a good ball too especially at that price. It does not grab quite as much on chips but has plenty of spin from full wedges. I saw them in the Maui Costco last month. They don't have them in our store so far. Rumor is they are making a new 4 pc. No one knows for sure. I scored my fine round last week with one of the 4pc that I still have. It was a fluke and had to have been the ball. :)

[tolmij]

Not a usual pursuit but this afternoon I am watching horse racing, specifically because it is the last race of a horse called Winx. This horse has won the last 33 consecutive races, has a gear that is engaged about 150 yds from the finish and pulls away as if the others are standing still. Today will make it the most successful horse in racing history If it wins. One punter has a bet of $450,000 on a win to have a return of $50,000 plus the stake money. One thing I can relate to is the sheer power of horses, having shod them for many years, love the athletic ability of them such a noble creature. Race is about to start being run in 15 mins

[tolmij]

So Winx won, one person put $550,000 to win, bookmakers were really taken today. Now she goes to be a brood mare, more money for the owners who have won 25 million dollars with this horse, that’s what you call a sound investment. The stands were fllled with people waving flags of her racing colours, brilliant atmosphere for a brilliant horse. ?

[SixtySomePing]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> Ha, someone else doesn't care for Koepka. It goes back to that first US Open he won for me. He just

> seemed a bit cocky and the next few times he was interviewed kept saying "I don't care" like playing

> PGA Tour golf wasn't all that important to him.

>

> I do want Rickie to win but if not him I can certainly pull for Tiger. He was fun to watch today. Still

> can't count out Rory at 7 back. He has crazy game at times and I would not be surprised if he got hot

> and got back in this.

>

> I wonder if we'll see some separation tomorrow. I hope not (unless it's Rickie or Tiger). A bunched

> leaderboard will make for some great viewing Sunday.

>

> Oh....and I don't like pimento cheese either..............but I'll eat it for some Masters tickets.

Seems up for grabs at this point -not pimento cheese, ugh, not a fan either. Might as well feed people pickled pimento on graham cracker sandwiches... "oh, I love going to the Masters, the golf is ok, but those pickled pimento on graham cracker sandwiches are to die for", ' what the?' At least they're only $1.50

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @scotee said:

> > @Reasonability said:

> > Growing a little concerned for Scotee. Sounded like a computer was fixed up on his end. Sort of assumed that effort got him back up and running. But since, he's basically gone silent. Hopefully he and his bride are off on another fun journey taking cool pics.

>

> Not to fear scotee is near. Back home from another trip to Spokane. We went up Wed. night for the main part of Mrs. scotee's shoulder treatment. Thurs. morning they sedated her and took blood cells from her hip. We went back in the afternoon and they injected the processed stem cells into her shoulder. We stayed over last night and took her car to have some warranty work today. I have spent quite a bit of time in medical and auto dealer waiting rooms. She did great. Some soreness but no real pain. Back next week for one more. A blood draw and PRP injections into the same shoulder and the other side for good measure and into her sore achilles tendon. Then we wait. If it works I may be tempted to have some of my balky parts stemmed and stirred.

> Ok one cool bride pic from Spokane:

>

>

>

Great pic of your granddaughter scotee, ha, she looks wonderful. Hope all goes well for her.

 

[Fellaheen51]

> @tolmij said:

> Not a usual pursuit but this afternoon I am watching horse racing, specifically because it is the last race of a horse called Winx. This horse has won the last 33 consecutive races, has a gear that is engaged about 150 yds from the finish and pulls away as if the others are standing still. Today will make it the most successful horse in racing history If it wins. One punter has a bet of $450,000 on a win to have a return of $50,000 plus the stake money. One thing I can relate to is the sheer power of horses, having shod them for many years, love the athletic ability of them such a noble creature. Race is about to start being run in 15 mins

 

Certainly understand your unique perspective on the majesty of the animal. Don't have any horseiness in my background, but always enjoyed watching horse racing. Make a point to catch the Triple Crown races here in the States. Some of the Breeders Cup. Don't watch the entire programming, but tune in 20 minutes before post. In time to catch the closing odds.

 

Been to two Kentucky Derby's BITD (late 70's). Big group of us had access to a motorhome and we'd make the trek to Churchill. Parked in the infield, amongst the hoards. Couldn't see much of the horse racing, only heads going by. Had to climb up on top of the motorhome to view the racing. I usually wasn't in a condition to get that high off the ground. Last time was the year Affirmed went on to win the Crown (1978). What was rather remarkable, was the sound of the horses as they "thundered" by our location. Literally. Always had a great time. Although the trip back home on Sunday was brutal.

 

Michigan use to have two thoroughbred tracks that a bud and I ventured to on sunny summer afternoons. For some horse racing action. Analyze the Racing Form, place our parlay totes, hoping to win some easy money. ("Money won is twice as sweet as money earned" - Fast Eddie Felson). Great place to people watch as well. Lot of characters hanging out at the race track. Kick back in the stands, drink a couple of cold ones. Be part of the action. Sadly those days are gone. No horse racing left, not even trotters. Put out of business by all the alternative sanctioned gambling (casinos) that exists. If there was a quality track nearby (Churchill, Saratoga, San Anita, etc.) would certainly hit them up. Nothing quite like a day at the track with some betting action to keep things interesting.

 

[Hankshank]

I get my fair share of boxes too... carry loads of stomped boxes to the recycle area a quarter of a mile away. I do not need a dog to get me out on neighbourhood strolls, I have my boxes.