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[Conrad1953]

I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

 

Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

 

What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

hitting UP at the time of impact.

[scomac2002]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

>

> Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

>

>** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> hitting UP at the time of impact.**

 

Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

 

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

>

> Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

>

> What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> hitting UP at the time of impact.

Exactly, here's another one I like on helping with creating better lag...

 

[Conrad1953]

> @SixtySomePing said:

> > @Conrad1953 said:

> > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> >

> > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> >

> > What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > hitting UP at the time of impact.

> Exactly, here's another one I like on helping with creating better lag...

>

>

 

Many good points in the video but he didn't actually say HOW to

stop casting and build better lag. I guess that's in the next video;

which I didn't watch.

 

Here's my opine on that FWIW. I agree with the wide takeaway and

letting the wrists set naturally at the end of the backswing.

 

At the end of the backswing, if not done before, the lead forearm should

be rotated to the right in transition. The top of the trail hand will then be

pointing more toward the ground and the trail wrist cocked and cupped.

This move lays down the shaft and shallows the shaft plane.

 

From there you want to hold onto that trail wrist set and rotate back around

and deliver that entire package to the ball WITHOUT RELEASING the club. The

club will release on it's own and square up automatically at the last moment

coming into impact.

 

The key is to keep rotating all the way to the finish and do not slow down or

stop until the ball is gone. Centrifugal forces will take care of the release and

since you are holding the club at the angle you achieved at the end of the

backswing, it will not cast or release too early.

[tolmij]

> @scomac2002 said:

> > @Conrad1953 said:

> > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> >

> > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> >

> >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

>

> Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

>

>

 

Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

[Conrad1953]

> @tolmij said:

> > @scomac2002 said:

> > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > >

> > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > >

> > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> >

> > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> >

> >

>

> Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

 

Many great players picked the ball clean off the turf. Tom Watson comes

to mind...so if it works for you, good.

 

The concept of taking a divot...........again we're back to margin for error.

First off, divots behind or at the ball constitute chunks, i.e., hitting it fat.

Almost always this is caused by a too steep angle of attack. In some cases

this can also be caused by an approach from too far inside.

 

A "proper" divot is a thin slice of turf in FRONT of the ball, i.e., on the

target side of the ball. The iron hits the ground after the ball has been

struck; the center of the divot can often be as much as 6 inches in

front of the ball.

 

What does this tell us? The further the divot is on the target side of the

ball means the more shallow the angle of attack....and the divots will

be thinner. Divots that start right after the ball will be thicker because

the club is coming in at a steeper angle and will dig deeper.

 

But look at the margin for error. Any divot target side will yield an

acceptable result most of the time. Any divot behind the ball will

yield a bad result every time.

 

Notice the common theme in all this..................shallow angle of attack

= more margin for error and more consistent ballstriking.

 

BTW, divots taken on the target side of the ball don't hurt; often they

are not felt at all because the club is not going deep into the ground.

You stick the club in the ground BEHIND the ball and you will definitely

feel it, lol.

[scomac2002]

It all sounds so easy, just be shallow and you won't have any of these terrible issues that affect ball strikers everywhere. The thing is that you must first identify why you're steep and how to correct it without reinventing the wheel which is exactly what the teaching profession wants to do more often than not.

 

BTW, it's green in Calgary too! Water laying in sloughs all the way in! I guess it's wet out here too!

[scomac2002]

Well we are here. It's hot and dry. Quite a bit different than what we left behind.

 

Our connection only had about 40 passengers on it. No wonder airfare is so expensive running a plane at 25% capacity (Boeing 737-800) when they have Q-400 turbo props in the fleet. I guess it's just easier to run the bigger jets on regular daily routes.

 

Great to see the kids again after all these months. It's been a year since the wedding last Friday.

[BIG STU]

> @scotee said:

> So I got er done! Tired and retired. A lot of hugs and a few tears. I saw two of the grandkids as some of my last patients. I will keep my license up for now so I can work on family if they want. I'm open for suggestions. What's next?

>

>

>

>

>

 

Enjoy it you have earned it---- And you look like a caring professional dentist----- I know you have heard over the years folks are scared of the dentist--- I would be at ease with you because you remind me of my first dentist and I still remember his name Dr Mabry. I am sure he has passed on because he was in his early 60s when I was a kid and come September I will be 62. My second dentist was a blast too. He was one of the old man's cronies his name was Dr Moon ( no joke) When he was working on me he would be talking about how much he dropped on a certain ball game but also about whose arse he had waxed on the golf course or in gin rummy. He did all the caps on my upper front teeth. He got into the big denture clinic thing and made a boat load of money. He retired and moved to the Bahamas and invested in the on line gambling thing. Made a lot there too--- LOL you will love this his nickname in the Bahamas was chop chop because of the denture clinics.

[BIG STU]

> @scotee said:

> Happy Birthday to Mrs. Sixty!

>

> Happy Anniversary to the Tols. 44 is "better than most"

 

I am also going to piggyback off of scotee too--- sorry Doc I know I am heavy--- But beat wishes to Mrs Sixty and happy Anniversary to Tol And Mrs Tol too

[BIG STU]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> Ya, funny how that works Sco. I can putt really well on the "turf" at

> a golf store and on the carpet at home. When you do that it does

> tell you something.........your alignment and stroke are OK.

>

> We know that the greens most of us play on do not roll as true as

> astroturf or carpet. I think sometimes when we miss putts on the

> course it's not really our fault. Putts can go offline easily if not hit

> firmly with enough pace to hold the line.

>

> Of course, we can get a little sheepish about pace, not wanting tough

> comebackers, so we get caught in that catch 22; trying to coax putts

> into the hole and then watching them wiggle away from the hole for

> lack of sufficient pace to hold the line on uneven

> grass.

>

>

 

I think that was why I was such a good putter when I was younger. I did not fear the comeback putt I ran at everything. I used to be a arc putter type. Since I have gotten older I have had to revert to the SBST style with a claw grip. It is starting to feel natural to me and leaving the pin in on long putts helps too. I have gotten where I run at the long ones again. Made 2 25 foot birdies Saturday pin in ran at them hard. A couple of others I ran at hit the pin but did not go in including an eagle on a par 5 but it did hit the pin and stopped it about 4 inches back. Had 3 birdies total shot 79. Was playing my modern metals and KZG CB irons yep the Mac blades will be back in the bag. Had a lot of different shot dispersion both ways and no distance control. I guess I am condemned to play blades and claw grip the putter for the rest of my golfing life

[BIG STU]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

>

> Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

>

> What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> hitting UP at the time of impact.

 

But folks are missing the whole equation it is supposed to be down and THROUGH the ball not down and stop. That is how I was taught and the reason I like butter knife soled blades with hardly any bounce. Someone like me that is a digger that has done it long enough will tend to blade irons with a lot of bounce. My beloved 588s I have a Scratch JLM/EGG type grind on my 60 which is a sharp leading edge and is around 6* bounce. If I need to use a lot of bounce I know how to hit an old school thump shot. My 56* is a standard 8* bounce. But all of that is just the way I was taught

[scotee]

> @"BIG STU" said:

> > @scotee said:

> > Happy Birthday to Mrs. Sixty!

> >

> > Happy Anniversary to the Tols. 44 is "better than most"

>

> I am also going to piggyback off of scotee too--- sorry Doc I know I am heavy--- But beat wishes to Mrs Sixty and happy Anniversary to Tol And Mrs Tol too

 

LOL You ain't heavy Stu, You're my brother.

 

[scotee]

> @scomac2002 said:

> Well we are here. It's hot and dry. Quite a bit different than what we left behind.

>

> Our connection only had about 40 passengers on it. No wonder airfare is so expensive running a plane at 25% capacity (Boeing 737-800) when they have Q-400 turbo props in the fleet. I guess it's just easier to run the bigger jets on regular daily routes.

>

> Great to see the kids again after all these months. It's been a year since the wedding last Friday.

 

Yes Sco, hot and dry! Summer is here. Enjoy your time in the West.

 

 

[scotee]

> @"BIG STU" said:

> > @scotee said:

> > So I got er done! Tired and retired. A lot of hugs and a few tears. I saw two of the grandkids as some of my last patients. I will keep my license up for now so I can work on family if they want. I'm open for suggestions. What's next?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Enjoy it you have earned it---- And you look like a caring professional dentist----- I know you have heard over the years folks are scared of the dentist--- I would be at ease with you because you remind me of my first dentist and I still remember his name Dr Mabry. I am sure he has passed on because he was in his early 60s when I was a kid and come September I will be 62. My second dentist was a blast too. He was one of the old man's cronies his name was Dr Moon ( no joke) When he was working on me he would be talking about how much he dropped on a certain ball game but also about whose **** he had waxed on the golf course or in gin rummy. He did all the caps on my upper front teeth. He got into the big denture clinic thing and made a boat load of money. He retired and moved to the Bahamas and invested in the on line gambling thing. Made a lot there too--- LOL you will love this his nickname in the Bahamas was chop chop because of the denture clinics.

 

Love it! Good stories. I have so many I could tell. The State Trouper in our town (now also retired) was a patient and friend. He would show up for his dental visits usually in uniform. He would pat his big revolver and say, "We're not going to hurt each other today are we doc?" That's some of what I will miss.

 

[Conrad1953]

 

 

> @scotee said:

> > @"BIG STU" said:

> > > @scotee said:

> > > So I got er done! Tired and retired. A lot of hugs and a few tears. I saw two of the grandkids as some of my last patients. I will keep my license up for now so I can work on family if they want. I'm open for suggestions. What's next?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Enjoy it you have earned it---- And you look like a caring professional dentist----- I know you have heard over the years folks are scared of the dentist--- I would be at ease with you because you remind me of my first dentist and I still remember his name Dr Mabry. I am sure he has passed on because he was in his early 60s when I was a kid and come September I will be 62. My second dentist was a blast too. He was one of the old man's cronies his name was Dr Moon ( no joke) When he was working on me he would be talking about how much he dropped on a certain ball game but also about whose **** he had waxed on the golf course or in gin rummy. He did all the caps on my upper front teeth. He got into the big denture clinic thing and made a boat load of money. He retired and moved to the Bahamas and invested in the on line gambling thing. Made a lot there too--- LOL you will love this his nickname in the Bahamas was chop chop because of the denture clinics.

>

> Love it! Good stories. I have so many I could tell. The State Trouper in our town (now also retired) was a patient and friend. He would show up for his dental visits usually in uniform. He would pat his big revolver and say, "We're not going to hurt each other today are we doc?" That's some of what I will miss.

>

 

That is funny! You should tell some of those stories as we move along

here. I know I would like to hear them.

[SixtySomePing]

> @"BIG STU" said:

> > @Conrad1953 said:

> > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> >

> > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> >

> > What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > hitting UP at the time of impact.

>

> But folks are missing the whole equation it is supposed to be down and THROUGH the ball not down and stop. That is how I was taught and the reason I like butter knife soled blades with hardly any bounce. Someone like me that is a digger that has done it long enough will tend to blade irons with a lot of bounce. My beloved 588s I have a Scratch JLM/EGG type grind on my 60 which is a sharp leading edge and is around 6* bounce. If I need to use a lot of bounce I know how to hit an old school thump shot. My 56* is a standard 8* bounce. But all of that is just the way I was taught

I've got a 60* Vokey with 4* bounce, I'm not a digger but I can use it for Mickelson type flops by opening it up even more, maybe the equivalent of about a 64* at least. It's not only a SM, but with square grooves, interesting club...

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @tolmij said:

> > @scomac2002 said:

> > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > >

> > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > >

> > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> >

> > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> >

> >

>

> Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

 

[tolmij]

> @SixtySomePing said:

> > @tolmij said:

> > > @scomac2002 said:

> > > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > > >

> > > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > > >

> > > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> > >

> > > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

> Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

>

 

Can’t remember ever getting backspin with anything, I presume you require a fair amount of club headspeed, something I do not have.

[scomac2002]

Yesterday was my birthday. It seems as though my DW's plan was to turn me into a FB sensation! :blush:

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @scomac2002 said:

> Yesterday was my birthday. It seems as though my DW's plan was to turn me into a FB sensation! :blush:

>

>

>

>

Wow, happy birthday sco, that food looks fantastic! Hope you had a fabulous day!!!

 

[SixtySomePing]

> @tolmij said:

> > @SixtySomePing said:

> > > @tolmij said:

> > > > @scomac2002 said:

> > > > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > > > >

> > > > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> > > >

> > > > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

> > Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

> >

>

> Can’t remember ever getting backspin with anything, I presume you require a fair amount of club headspeed, something I do not have.

Well, for one, I keep the clubface dry and clean before using it, very important as it's necessary that the grooves channel any dirt or water away and that they make good contact with the ball. Second, I use a soft ball, either a Pro V1 or the last several years for me I have been using the Snell MTB. I like the cast urethane cover. As far as placement of the ball in my stance, I put it in the middle to use the natural loft of the wedge, so whatever the loft is, that's what is used. Too far back or forward you change that. Also, I don't use a steep angle of attack, to me that also changes the loft, so I come into the ball more shallow and let the loft and bounce do the work the club is designed to do. Speed yes, as long as you carry it through the full shot and don't decelerate at impact. For accuracy of the shot I make sure to rotate and not sway. That's kind of it in a nutshell, even if it doesn't spin, it should be quite accurate if you use the right wedge.

I did win my match last night, 6 -0 this year, yikes...

 

[scomac2002]

6-0 -- You're like a machine @SixtySomePing !

[scomac2002]

Oh the birthday business isn't over yet. I've decided that considering this is the big 60 it should be a birthday month! :tongue:

[Conrad1953]

> @scomac2002 said:

> Yesterday was my birthday. It seems as though my DW's plan was to turn me into a FB sensation! :blush:

>

>

>

>

 

Well, you do look like a movie star Sco!

 

That's a healthy looking spread. Looks like grapevines in the background,

too. A very happy birthday to ya!

[Conrad1953]

> @scomac2002 said:

> Oh the birthday business isn't over yet. I've decided that considering this is the big 60 it should be a birthday month! :tongue:

 

Since every day is a gift at our age then every day should be a

celebration of life!

[Conrad1953]

> @SixtySomePing said:

> > @tolmij said:

> > > @SixtySomePing said:

> > > > @tolmij said:

> > > > > @scomac2002 said:

> > > > > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > > > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > > > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > > > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > > > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > > > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > > > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> > > > >

> > > > > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

> > > Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

> > >

> >

> > Can’t remember ever getting backspin with anything, I presume you require a fair amount of club headspeed, something I do not have.

> Well, for one, I keep the clubface dry and clean before using it, very important as it's necessary that the grooves channel any dirt or water away and that they make good contact with the ball. Second, I use a soft ball, either a Pro V1 or the last several years for me I have been using the Snell MTB. I like the cast urethane cover. As far as placement of the ball in my stance, I put it in the middle to use the natural loft of the wedge, so whatever the loft is, that's what is used. Too far back or forward you change that. Also, I don't use a steep angle of attack, to me that also changes the loft, so I come into the ball more shallow and let the loft and bounce do the work the club is designed to do. Speed yes, as long as you carry it through the full shot and don't decelerate at impact. For accuracy of the shot I make sure to rotate and not sway. That's kind of it in a nutshell, even if it doesn't spin, it should be quite accurate if you use the right wedge.

> I did win my match last night, 6 -0 this year, yikes...

>

 

The old guy with the deadly short game schoolin' the youngsters............

love it! 6-0...................keep it up BroSchooler!

[Conrad1953]

> @tolmij said:

> > @SixtySomePing said:

> > > @tolmij said:

> > > > @scomac2002 said:

> > > > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > > > >

> > > > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> > > >

> > > > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

> > Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

> >

>

> Can’t remember ever getting backspin with anything, I presume you require a fair amount of club headspeed, something I do not have.

 

All golf shots have backspin. Although you may not spin the ball

backwards Tol I bet you have hit some shots that take 1 or 2 hops

and then stop. The shots that hop and stop near the hole are far

more impressive to me than watching shots spin backwards away

from the hole and sometimes off the green.

 

The truth is most of us am golfers leave our short shots woefully

short of the hole so spinning a ball backwards will not be a thing

we would want to do anyway.

[SixtySomePing]

> @Conrad1953 said:

> > @tolmij said:

> > > @SixtySomePing said:

> > > > @tolmij said:

> > > > > @scomac2002 said:

> > > > > > @Conrad1953 said:

> > > > > > I need to say something more about the hands RISING. The hands are rising

> > > > > > because they are past their low point in the swing at impact and are moving

> > > > > > left and up by the time of impact; as Clay demonstrated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many have been told in days past to hit down on the ball. This advice has

> > > > > > messed up more than a few golfers, lol.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >** What a game! The clubhead is still traveling down while the hands are

> > > > > > beginning to rise, at impact with an iron....so the feeling is actually of

> > > > > > hitting UP at the time of impact.**

> > > > >

> > > > > Yah, no kidding! NO wonder so many people give up in disgust or never get any better!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Never understood the concept of hitting down on the ball, to me it always has been a recipe for disaster, just as I cannot take out a divot and do not understand why it is done. Always picked the ball off the top, if I take even the smallest divot the club almost stops, could be something to do with my swing speed.

> > > Agree on both. Taking a divot is highly overrated... it's the ball that's supposed to go in the hole, not the divot. I get people that ask me how I get backspin on wedges, as if that were the goal.

> > >

> >

> > Can’t remember ever getting backspin with anything, I presume you require a fair amount of club headspeed, something I do not have.

>

> All golf shots have backspin. Although you may not spin the ball

> backwards Tol I bet you have hit some shots that take 1 or 2 hops

> and then stop. The shots that hop and stop near the hole are far

> more impressive to me than watching shots spin backwards away

> from the hole and sometimes off the green.

>

> The truth is most of us am golfers leave our short shots woefully

> short of the hole so spinning a ball backwards will not be a thing

> we would want to do anyway.

Exactly right Rad. The backspin I get is not the horrid backspin you see even the pros get, which I don't understand. I get maybe 4 ft. max. I have never been able to understand pros who land the ball on the green in some very nice position, only to have the ball pull back somewhere 20 or 30 ft. just to look impressive. Makes no sense. Either land the ball at the top of the green and back it up to the hole, or cut the backspin crap. I wouldn't be able to generate the backspin they do if I tried, mine is nice and subtle, sort of a drop and stop with a little 'forget to stop' at the end which I allow for. Never had one of those yank it back off the green things and never want one...

 

[BIG STU]

> @scomac2002 said:

> Yesterday was my birthday. It seems as though my DW's plan was to turn me into a FB sensation! :blush:

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Well Happy Birthday old buddy