Thoughts on Couch Potatoes Calling in Penalties

[BillyZ2]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

probably one who doesn't play much golf themself and just lies on a couch drinking beer with a beer belly. His handicap would probably be 29 or so. Never rose above mediocrity in his life feels this will carry him over the top by turning in a PGA professional to the point where he finally feels like he's somebody.

[warfelg]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Time for golf to add a "materiality" check on the rules. HDTV has only exacerbated the need for it. We saw Spieth showing concern because the ball moved in the rough at Augusta. No one saw it except for him but if the TV cameras were zoomed in on his ball then we may have had another couch potato situation. Same with Sergio with his drop in the pinestraw. Lexi ball mark, DJ last year etc.

 

The first thing that should be asked in such situation after possible breach would be, did such breach materially impact the outcome of the next shot? If the answer is probably not, then move on, no penalty.

[North Texas]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

[MountainGoat]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

[QEight]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

[North Texas]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

Very Possible. And just to add to it, there are probably some of her "peers" who would do exactly what you suggest and there are probably some of her "peers" who would say nothing and wait until they could take advantage of the situation.

[MountainGoat]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

My version is a lot like that. I'm guessing that one of her playing partners complained to someone in her country's golf federation, they checked the tape and called it in.

[chippa13]

Maybe we can form an organization whose members all review every televised round of golf in HD slow-mo to ensure no rules infractions are missed.

 

Incorrect sentence; what you're saying would result in no "televised" rules infractions would be missed.

[bladehunter]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

 

trouble with that is there isnt any tape of her continuously marking it suspicioisly ..... theres just this one where shes trying to not get in her partners line and finish up...

[HighSpeedScene]

Nobody is making any "calls" from.home

Then where are they making them from?

Golf is the only sport that allows fans to impact the outcome the event. Golf should monitor itself and disallow 30 handicap golfers from influencing PGA events.

 

As a Cubs fan, this one stings the most. Bartman!

[HighSpeedScene]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

probably one who doesn't play much golf themself and just lies on a couch drinking beer with a beer belly. His handicap would probably be 29 or so. Never rose above mediocrity in his life feels this will carry him over the top by turning in a PGA professional to the point where he finally feels like he's somebody.

 

Sounds like a confession

[HighSpeedScene]

Nobody is making any "calls" from.home

Then where are they making them from?

 

Pedant - the context I used it in as you know was that people from home are making the actual rulings. That's what I was responding to.

 

But you can continue to be a gnat about it if you choose.

Sorry, I had no idea of your intent, except that it is leaning powerfully to embracing call ins. Your choice. Have fun with it while you can. The USGA has said it is ending the practice of allowing phone ins from couch snitches, in 2018. As it should.

Signed

 

The Gnat.

 

How will they know if they are on the couch?

 

See, I can be a nudge too.

 

But seriously, I don't know anything about the usga doing any such thing in 2018. Source?

 

Seriously - anyone know about this in 2018? The Google told me nothing and I would have expected it to be BIG news in the rules forum

[bladehunter]

Nobody is making any "calls" from.home

Then where are they making them from?

Golf is the only sport that allows fans to impact the outcome the event. Golf should monitor itself and disallow 30 handicap golfers from influencing PGA events.

 

As a Cubs fan, this one stings the most. Bartman!

 

 

hey ! now we agree on that ! Go cubs!....... been glued to wrigley since we got wgn on cable in 1987ish....

[warfelg]

Has there been any more reporting on who it was who called in the Lexi Thompson rules violation?

 

Nope. Just the rumor that it was a rules official who decided to watch the round the next day.

 

I'll keep saying that there's something fishy about that part through.

 

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

Then call her out. Call over a rules official. If someone told someone after the round to say something that player should be punished.

[Shilgy]

Maybe we can form an organization whose members all review every televised round of golf in HD slow-mo to ensure no rules infractions are missed.

 

Incorrect sentence; what you're saying would result in no "televised" rules infractions would be missed.

Yeah, that's probably what was intended. That way infractions are not caught the next day and incur the extra two stroke penalty.

[nbg352]

Nobody is making any "calls" from.home

Then where are they making them from?

 

Pedant - the context I used it in as you know was that people from home are making the actual rulings. That's what I was responding to.

 

But you can continue to be a gnat about it if you choose.

Sorry, I had no idea of your intent, except that it is leaning powerfully to embracing call ins. Your choice. Have fun with it while you can. The USGA has said it is ending the practice of allowing phone ins from couch snitches, in 2018. As it should.

Signed

 

The Gnat.

 

How will they know if they are on the couch?

 

See, I can be a nudge too.

 

But seriously, I don't know anything about the usga doing any such thing in 2018. Source?

It was mentioned when the rest of the rules changes were brought out by commish on GC.

Also brought up today on GC when discussing Thompson's situation.

Best I can do........

[Mark_888]

Yeah, that's probably what was intended. That way infractions are not caught the next day and incur the extra two stroke penalty.

Not sure that would help since the scorecard is signed right after the round (the same day). They need to eliminate the penalty of signing an incorrect scorecard, it the incorrect scorecard is the result of a penalty assessed after the round is played.

 

IMO, the 2 shoot penalty for improper spotting of the ball was correct, but the penalty for incorrect scorecard should be changed. There is lots of evidence, including statements from Phil Mickelson, that a lot of tour players abuse the ball marking process to gain an unfair advantage, so the right of officials to stop that, even if the next day, should be retained for the integrity of the game.

[Mark_888]

Folks, the reason we need viewers to be allowed to notify the officials of rules infractions based on TV broadcasts, is that the players refuse to police themselves. It is an honor code of sorts, that players don't tattle on other players, even when they know improper activity is going on. Someone needs to step in with a solution that penalizes the ball marking/replacement infractions and restores the integrity of the game, without assessing ridiculous "incorrect scorecard" penalties.

[HighSpeedScene]

Nobody is making any "calls" from.home

Then where are they making them from?

Golf is the only sport that allows fans to impact the outcome the event. Golf should monitor itself and disallow 30 handicap golfers from influencing PGA events.

 

As a Cubs fan, this one stings the most. Bartman!

 

 

hey ! now we agree on that ! Go cubs!....... been glued to wrigley since we got wgn on cable in 1987ish....

 

84 here. First time we had cable and moved to Iowa after school year ended- Steve Stone and Harry caray were my best friends that summer. Rough year to start a life of Cubs fandom - this/close to the world series that year.

[HighSpeedScene]

Nbg, the usga does not have a commish. Think you're confusing the tour with the rules.

[QEight]

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

Very Possible. And just to add to it, there are probably some of her "peers" who would do exactly what you suggest and there are probably some of her "peers" who would say nothing and wait until they could take advantage of the situation.

 

And then there is Lexi placing the ball incorrectly.

 

[HighSpeedScene]

That's the great part about it being the player's responsibility - the player can control ALL of it. No conspiracy can be successful if the player accepts his/her own responsibility

[bladehunter]

Folks, the reason we need viewers to be allowed to notify the officials of rules infractions based on TV broadcasts, is that the players refuse to police themselves. It is an honor code of sorts, that players don't tattle on other players, even when they know improper activity is going on. Someone needs to step in with a solution that penalizes the ball marking/replacement infractions and restores the integrity of the game, without assessing ridiculous "incorrect scorecard" penalties.

 

 

Finally someone admits this. I've been screaming it. It's always been this way. Handled internally. And should be now. But cannot be. Why ? Technology is telling on the game. Truth is that things have been swept under the rug for ever. A major shake up is needed to go forward or else we will see ruling after the fact on a regular basis.

[sui generis]

Folks, the reason we need viewers to be allowed to notify the officials of rules infractions based on TV broadcasts, is that the players refuse to police themselves. It is an honor code of sorts, that players don't tattle on other players, even when they know improper activity is going on. Someone needs to step in with a solution that penalizes the ball marking/replacement infractions and restores the integrity of the game, without assessing ridiculous "incorrect scorecard" penalties.

 

 

Finally someone admits this. I've been screaming it. It's always been this way. Handled internally. And should be now. But cannot be. Why ? Technology is telling on the game. Truth is that things have been swept under the rug for ever. A major shake up is needed to go forward or else we will see ruling after the fact on a regular basis.

 

Who's job is it to "fix" the thing about which you've "been screaming?" I'd suggest it's not the ruling bodies problem, but that of the fake 501©3s who show the stuff on TV.

[bladehunter]

Folks, the reason we need viewers to be allowed to notify the officials of rules infractions based on TV broadcasts, is that the players refuse to police themselves. It is an honor code of sorts, that players don't tattle on other players, even when they know improper activity is going on. Someone needs to step in with a solution that penalizes the ball marking/replacement infractions and restores the integrity of the game, without assessing ridiculous "incorrect scorecard" penalties.

 

 

Finally someone admits this. I've been screaming it. It's always been this way. Handled internally. And should be now. But cannot be. Why ? Technology is telling on the game. Truth is that things have been swept under the rug for ever. A major shake up is needed to go forward or else we will see ruling after the fact on a regular basis.

 

Who's job is it to "fix" the thing about which you've "been screaming?" I'd suggest it's not the ruling bodies problem, but that of the fake 501©3s who show the stuff on TV.

 

 

true ..coverage could help and stop showing zoomed in shots and stop the quasi rules interpretations before the rulings have been made

[warfelg]

Folks, the reason we need viewers to be allowed to notify the officials of rules infractions based on TV broadcasts, is that the players refuse to police themselves. It is an honor code of sorts, that players don't tattle on other players, even when they know improper activity is going on. Someone needs to step in with a solution that penalizes the ball marking/replacement infractions and restores the integrity of the game, without assessing ridiculous "incorrect scorecard" penalties.

 

 

Finally someone admits this. I've been screaming it. It's always been this way. Handled internally. And should be now. But cannot be. Why ? Technology is telling on the game. Truth is that things have been swept under the rug for ever. A major shake up is needed to go forward or else we will see ruling after the fact on a regular basis.

 

Who's job is it to "fix" the thing about which you've "been screaming?" I'd suggest it's not the ruling bodies problem, but that of the fake 501©3s who show the stuff on TV.

 

 

true ..coverage could help and stop showing zoomed in shots and stop the quasi rules interpretations before the rulings have been made

 

Or just put what on TV on a 5-10 second delay, have a rules official be watching from the TV broadcasting truck, and let them make the calls.

[North Texas]

The timing of it, along with it not being that obvious in real time, strongly suggests that it was not random at all. Instead that it was deliberate and certainly not by a coach potato but someone very close to the action.

 

Yep, that's my view of it, too. There's something very weird going on here, and it's not getting reported.

 

Let's add some more conspiracy. Lexi was continuously marking it suspiciously and was warned by her peers. She did not budge and someone tipped and they decided to penalize her once and for all by finding a good example on tape. :crazy:

 

Very Possible. And just to add to it, there are probably some of her "peers" who would do exactly what you suggest and there are probably some of her "peers" who would say nothing and wait until they could take advantage of the situation.

 

And then there is Lexi placing the ball incorrectly.

 

Yes. Thanks to a zoomed in, slow motion replay we can definitely see that she placed her ball back down incorrectly.

[HighSpeedScene]

This is what I've been saying all along - the rules are fine in this regard, and if the TV shows believe they can improve their product by implementing their own rules then they should do so.

 

Personally, I think it would be short-sighted, but it's not my game

[BillyZ2]

That's the great part about it being the player's responsibility - the player can control ALL of it. No conspiracy can be successful if the player accepts his/her own responsibility

pat yourself on the back, Mr Perfect! ?