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[LeftDaddy]

1 hour ago, Ty_Webb said:

You really need to figure out how many fairways you hit with 2 iron and how many you hit with driver. His reasoning for hitting driver is you won't always miss with driver and you won't always hit with the long iron, but you will always be 50-60 yards shorter and 50-60 yards is worth a lot of shots. If the trees are effectively a penalty hazard then you'd have to adjust. You could always tweet him with the question. He's decent at responding - or at least he used to be. I think his popularity has grown significantly so it's probably harder for him to do that now.

This. I think he would generally say that you may as well miss the fairway with a driver if you were going to miss with a 2 iron anyway (25 yard wide fairways will be hard to hit consistently with a 2 iron). At least you will be 50 yards closer to the hole 100% of the time. 

[thejazzmarauder]

2 hours ago, Ty_Webb said:

You really need to figure out how many fairways you hit with 2 iron and how many you hit with driver. His reasoning for hitting driver is you won't always miss with driver and you won't always hit with the long iron, but you will always be 50-60 yards shorter and 50-60 yards is worth a lot of shots. If the trees are effectively a penalty hazard then you'd have to adjust. You could always tweet him with the question. He's decent at responding - or at least he used to be. I think his popularity has grown significantly so it's probably harder for him to do that now.

 

I probably hit driver 75% of the time. The answer might depend on how well someone hits their driving iron. I know that my L-to-R dispersion pattern is definitely smaller with my 2i than my Driver just due to length alone; a similar miss is less severe. 

Edited April 1, 2022 by thejazzmarauder

[Ty_Webb]

6 hours ago, thejazzmarauder said:

 

I probably hit driver 75% of the time. The answer might depend on how well someone hits their driving iron. I know that my L-to-R dispersion pattern is definitely smaller with my 2i than my Driver just due to length alone; a similar miss is less severe. 

 

There will be instances for players where dropping back to an iron is the right choice. But I'd think that such cases were relatively unusual. If you can't hit it on the planet with driver, but your 2 iron is frozen rope then sure (and I've been there - I've played rounds where the only reason I had my driver was in case I needed to take a penalty drop and wanted as long a club as possible). Or if you're falling into the under 65 yards between penalty areas or if there's just straight up something in the way. 

 

But for most people and most of the time driver is likely the play. Lou Stagner had a stat up with %age fairways hit with driver vs 3 wood for the PGA tour. It was something like 60% with driver and 61% with 3 wood. Granted 3 wood is probably being hit on narrower holes, but you're giving up a lot of distance for a very marginal improvement in accuracy. 

 

The one thing Scott says would negate the distance advantage is trees. They are hard to plan around especially if there's not too much distance between them. In that situation, dropping back might make sense, but do remember that when you hit it in the trees with an iron, you're 180 out and in trouble rather than 120 out and in trouble. And when you hit the fairway you're 180 out in the fairway and not 120 out in the fairway. Even if you hit 10% more fairways with a 2i, your shots to hole out will most probably be better with driver.

[RCGA]

On 3/31/2022 at 12:20 PM, bladehunter said:

Apparently prices going up Monday the 4th.  Said current subscribers will be grandfathered in.    Wonder why ?  Cost of living ? 

 

I'm not up for renewal until November, but I won't be renewing when the time comes. 

 

Too expensive for just strokes gained. Google Maps solves most of the strategy for tournament rounds. And most importantly, I find the "Scott's Desk" content to be far to repetitive. 

[RCGA]

The problem with the driver vs 2i debate is that Lou/Scott are considering PGA pros, playing Tour length courses with spotters and trampled down spectating areas. 

 

I might be as long as a PGA pro, but when I miss with the driver it can be catastrophic (gear effect duck hook or 40y pull). Plus I don't have the aid of spotters to locate a wayward ball. If I could blast away and know my ball would be found, it would change the formula slightly. 

 

But more importantly, I'm playing recreational level courses in the 6100 - 6500y range, and not 7200y+ championship setups. A long par 4 for me is like 410y with most being in the 380y range. Hitting 2i/5w leaves me with most an 8i in, and in the majority of cases, it's a a wedge.

 

The question I'm left with is, what is my strokes gained from 80y out (via driver) vs 130y out (via 5w/2i), and is that delta worth the added risk driver brings.  The calculations I've done have it being a wash assuming I'm in play with my driver 85% of the time. 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by RCGA

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, RCGA said:

The problem with the driver vs 2i debate is that Lou/Scott are considering PGA pros, playing Tour length courses with spotters and trampled down spectating areas. 

 

I might be as long as a PGA pro, but when I miss with the driver it can be catastrophic (gear effect duck hook or 40y pull). Plus I don't have the aid of spotters to locate a wayward ball. If I could blast away and know my ball would be found, it would change the formula slightly. 

 

But more importantly, I'm playing recreational level courses in the 6100 - 6500y range, and not 7200y+ championship setups. A long par 4 for me is like 410y with most being in the 380y range. Hitting 2i/5w leaves me with most an 8i in, and in the majority of cases, it's a a wedge.

 

The question I'm left with is, what is my strokes gained from 80y out (via driver) vs 130y out (via 5w/2i), and is that delta worth the added risk driver brings.  The calculations I've done have it being a wash assuming I'm in play with my driver 85% of the time. 

 

Absolutely- three holes on my home course I’d try to drive it up by the green etc if it weren’t a blind or  partially blind shot.  You can’t find the ball half the time.  Round  ruined.  

[RCGA]

Here's another calculation assuming your nearly world-class (60% of FWs with driver, 80% of FWs with 5w). I made a general assumption that your driver is 50y longer than your 5w

 

• Removing all hazard/OB/recovery risks, and just accounting for changes in rough %, you're looking at a 1/10 shot difference in favor of the driver.
• If one side has a hazard (10% chance your driver goes in, 5% your 5w goes in) it's still a 1/10 shot difference in favor of the driver.
• If one side has OB/lost ball (10% chance your driver goes in, 5% your 5w goes in) it's a 0.06 shot difference in favor of the 5w

The difficulty with calculations like this is they don't factor in:

• Wind
• Dog legs or cutting corners 
• Slopes and roll out 
• How you're hitting driver that day/week/month/season. 5-wood is generally more consistent day-to-day 

In the end, I think the only way to go about it is by doing your own hole-by-hole analysis via Google Maps. Relying on calculations means you'll end up skewing the numbers to fit your own narrative. 

[RCGA]

Decade Elite now $250 for 6 months. 

[Habitual Flipper]

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[roll - gybe]

Does anyone know how to save the drive aim in the desktop or mobile app?

I can't find anyway to complete my task and save it. When I return, it's gone

[roll - gybe]

Is this part of the app? I'm on the Foundations Trial and haven't seen anything like this. 

[RCGA]

Send help

[Santiago Golf]

2 hours ago, RCGA said:

Send help

 

Focus more on speed and pace off your putts 

 

 Putting performance is more based on your ball striking ability versus your putting ability ... so learning to hit long putts straighter is irreverent 

[RCGA]

It was a tournament round and they didn't roll every green for some reason. Greens must have ranged from 8-13 on the stimp. 

 

I had an 10' putt for birdie on #8 that I tapped and went 8' past. Then missed the come backer. 

 

42 putts total. Absolutely desperate.  

[RCGA]

Anyone not renewing? 

 

I've been a member for 11 months and it's coming up on my renewal date. There's hardly been any new content; webinars are essentially the exact same questions and answers over and over (Q: "What do I hit off this tee?" A: "Driver"); too expensive just to track strokes gained.

 

I think some of his philosophies are flawed, specifically around putting; "stop trying to make putts" and "putting is mostly luck" has done more harm than anything I've ever tried in golf.  

 

 

[mstuewe]

Has anyone figured out an easy way to flag out of bounds and penalty areas using the decade yardage books at a course you have not played before?  I struggle with identifying OB until the ball is already sitting out of bounds, and it makes it hard to pick a DECADE decision tree based target with the driver if you don’t know if you are dealing with OB left or just some trees.

 

 

Apologies if this has been asked but haven’t found it in the search.

[Nels55]

Here is a video with Scott Fawcett that might be interesting to some: