MD/DC/VA Golfers - Twelve Monkeys Mental Divergence

[Sterling_247]

....and if one doesn't have an established cap?

[baddomes]

Boom. Discussed and Decided.

[baddomes]

....and if one doesn't have an established cap?

 

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

[Sterling_247]

....and if one doesn't have an established cap?

 

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

 

and here i was hoping to get 4 or 5 a side

[eagle1997]

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

 

and here i was hoping to get 4 or 5 a side

 

I say you and City go as zeros and we base everything else off that.

[Sterling_247]

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

 

and here i was hoping to get 4 or 5 a side

 

I say you and City go as zeros and we base everything else off that.

 

That's fine, i haven't played since then so i'm gonna try and hit some balls tonight

 

I'll just have to keep an eye on who's stroking and keep that in mind

[FAbb]

Fourballs are 100% of handicap.

 

I'm not convinced the game is broken in it's current format at all. 2MT argued with me that it was a huge advantage for anybody to get strokes in the game. I mean, maybe on occasion it is. Sure Domes was at an advantage, being able to call it in the air when he hit a good drive on 9. He still very likely had complete one of the toughest holes on the course in 3 strokes from there to get a win. He hit a sick iron shot to like 10ft with all that pressure.

 

On the whole, isn't the better golfer always at the advantage though? I guess it's just in a game like this one, a single hole can have such a massive impact on the outcome. Although it was really only such a huge windfall because of the carryovers, not because of the single hole being 4x.

 

The way I played wolf when I learned it

 

solo before hitting - 4x

solo after hitting - 3x

solo after everybody has hit - 2x

 

 

That essentially eliminates the 4x multiplier from the game, save for the occasional degenerate gambler that gets way behind and can't help but chase their losses.

 

I wouldn't let one data point of Domes cleaning up on the 9th at Waverly make you tweak the core points breakdown of the game. Keep playing it as it is for a little, and see what shakes out.

[baddomes]

When I cleared 24 dots on #9, PQ and Fabb were both in front of me in the fairway and missed the green by a combined 40 yards.

 

Maybe City shouldn't have bladed a wedge over the 8th green if he didn't want to lose 24 dots on #9.

 

hashtagjustsaying

[baddomes]

HOLD on.

 

Was at the Little Bennett webpage and saw this:

 

https://www.mcggolf.com/Play/FlingGolf.aspx

 

I went to www.flinggolf.com and joined the Fling Nation. Seems like there's a much less chance of injury than footgolf. I will try this someday.

[baddomes]

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

 

and here i was hoping to get 4 or 5 a side

 

I say you and City go as zeros and we base everything else off that.

 

That's fine, i haven't played since then so i'm gonna try and hit some balls tonight

 

I'll just have to keep an eye on who's stroking and keep that in mind

 

This is a big thing.

 

I would propose it being an official AirWolf rule that if you are getting a stroke, you need to announce it on the tee box before anyone hits otherwise you lose that stroke.

[FAbb]

When I cleared 24 dots on #9, PQ and Fabb were both in front of me in the fairway and missed the green by a combined 40 yards.

 

Maybe City shouldn't have bladed a wedge over the 8th green if he didn't want to lose 24 dots on #9.

 

hashtagjustsaying

 

HEY!

 

Quit selling me short. I missed that green by 40 yards all by myself.

[ceejay81]

That essentially eliminates the 4x multiplier from the game, save for the occasional degenerate gambler that gets way behind and can't help but chase their losses.

 

[Sterling_247]

Unless I can be convinced otherwise, you're a 0.0 Sterling "Shot-72-or-73-with-six-birdies-and-two-doubles-at-Little-B-having-never-played-there-before-and-with-a-bathroom-emergency" 247.

 

and here i was hoping to get 4 or 5 a side

 

I say you and City go as zeros and we base everything else off that.

 

That's fine, i haven't played since then so i'm gonna try and hit some balls tonight

 

I'll just have to keep an eye on who's stroking and keep that in mind

 

This is a big thing.

 

I would propose it being an official AirWolf rule that if you are getting a stroke, you need to announce it on the tee box before anyone hits otherwise you lose that stroke.

 

I would second this proposal

[baddomes]

It was definitely funny when City walked up to the green and saw Fabb going to his ball across the cart path.

 

"OH Are you serious, Fabb?!?"

[baddomes]

 

 

I would propose it being an official AirWolf rule that if you are getting a stroke, you need to announce it on the tee box before anyone hits otherwise you lose that stroke.

 

I would second this proposal

 

Ratified. It's official.

[eagle1997]

no jokes about "watching who's stroking and keeping that in mind?" just me? ok, i'm fine with that.

 

sans incentive, i will would undoubtedly forget a minimum of 2x per round, so i'm in favor of it.

[eagle1997]

Ratified. It's official.

 

fabb, thinking to himself: be sure to remind those guys to update the google doc!

 

fabb, a second later, shaking his head: no one will do it but me, so i might as well just do it before these jerkyboys forget and then we have to have this same discussion multiple times in the future. le sigh.

[2moreTerps]

Fourballs are 100% of handicap.

 

I'm not convinced the game is broken in it's current format at all. 2MT argued with me that it was a huge advantage for anybody to get strokes in the game. I mean, maybe on occasion it is. Sure Domes was at an advantage, being able to call it in the air when he hit a good drive on 9. He still very likely had complete one of the toughest holes on the course in 3 strokes from there to get a win. He hit a sick iron shot to like 10ft with all that pressure.

 

I wouldn't let one data point of Domes cleaning up on the 9th at Waverly make you tweak the core points breakdown of the game. Keep playing it as it is for a little, and see what shakes out.

 

if i'm getting 4 strokes in a match my chances of winning those four holes are obviously tremendously elevated. in a match where all the holes are of equal value that doesn't matter. in the case of domes he get to make the hole worth FOUR times as much after he saw where his ball was going!!! strokes are a MASSIVE problem in airwolf. The junk doesn't even come close to evening it out considering that junk is team junk.

 

Here's another explanation of why it's such a problem:

 

What is domes % of LOSING that hole? Either he makes worse than bogey OR one of the other three make birdie or better. Assign probabilities to it

 

Now if it's FABB, City, PQ. What is there % of LOSING that hole? Either they make bogey OR one of the other three make birdie or better. Assign probabilities to it.

 

It's quite clear that FABB, City, PQ take a much much much higher risk if they airwolf.

 

I wouldn't let one data point of Domes cleaning up on the 9th at Waverly make you tweak the core points breakdown of the game. Keep playing it as it is for a little, and see what shakes out.

 

No. Eagle or Domes just pick up such massive massive equity going airwolf when they stroke that in the long run they have a huge financial edge. I don't think it's even close. That said, they may lose those holes and everyone convinces themselves it's not a problem. You need to think about this in terms of equity and not in terms of results.

[baddomes]

Airwolf Discussion:

 

If you are Airwolf....and you are the ONLY one stroking....you HAVE to declare airwolf before you hit. Otherwise you have to pick a partner. No going solo unless you do it blind.

[baddomes]

Or, if you are airwolf, and you're the only one stroking, you MUST go alone.

 

Trying to think of ways to ramp up the pressure before the tee shot.

[ceejay81]

Sounds like people getting strokes in Airwolf have an automatic advantage because others can't handle that mentally.

[FAbb]

No, I don't need to think about it in terms of equity. I'm thinking about it in terms of enjoyment, which is what matters. It's not perfect, but at the end of the day we're looking for a fun game we can play with anybody. That means having strokes.

 

We wouldn't be having this wonderful internet discussion, recounting Domes heroic performance on that hole if not for strokes. We played for like $.25/dot that day. That's $6/person loss. For a fun game, and a perfect storm event that isn't going to happen often, do I feel even an ounce of butthurt for having to pay Domes $6 for a well executed hole? No.

 

The strokes make it a fun game for everybody. The carry overs make it a fun game for everybody. As long as the dot value doesn't get too high, nobody is losing big at the end of the day.

[2moreTerps]

playing for 6$ is stupid and playing a game rigged against you is stupid. you know. imo.

[baddomes]

Fabb would you mind adding an "Enemies of AirWolf" list to the official AirWolf rules?

 

 

Charter Enemy: 2MoreTerps

[FAbb]

It may be stupid, but it's fun. It's more fun than playing a handicapped fourball.

 

I don't have a roster of playing partners I can pull from to have a full foursome that can be played at scratch all the time. Something handicapped is necessary more often than not.

 

I also don't have any interest in playing any handicapped game for big money. That sounds much stupider than finding something that is fun, despite the low financial implications.

[eagle1997]

can't wait to suggest airworf as a challenger to airwolf. bat'leth's will be required as one of your 14 clubs and all partner claims must be made in klingon.

[eagle1997]

samples of klingonese on wiki are simply fantastic.

 

jIl moH ghajjaj jaghHomlIj. *

May your rival have an ugly neighbor.

 

vIt’e’ naD lalDan ’e’ tIv. *

He enjoys religion praising truth.

 

tlhab ’oS ’Iw; HoHwI’ So’ batlh. *

Blood represents freedom; honor hides the killer.

 

romuluSngan Hol yIjatlh. He’So’ QIchlIj.

Speak Romulan! Your accent stinks.

 

vavlI’ quv Say’moHmeH nuj bIQ vIlo’chugh, nuj bIQ vIlammoH.

If I use spit (mouth water) to clean your father’s honor, I only dirty the spit.

 

mo’Dajvo’ pa’wIjDaq je narghpu’ He’So’bogh SajlIj.

Your stinking pet has escaped from its cage and appeared in my quarters.

[dcmidnight]

can't wait to suggest airworf as a challenger to airwolf.

 

[eagle1997]

here's what michael dorn thinks of my idea:

 

[Von_Oberhausen]

I think that's what all of us think of your idea.