A Different Kind of Rules Violation!

[FairwayFred]

I apologize for furthering that discussion. Let's stick to golf.

[Ri_Redneck]

No. RI courses HAVE to apply certain distancing rules or they have to close. They are monitored daily. These guys didn't expose anyone, other than themselves and the dufus that agreed to pick them up, to anything more than a violation of the law. I find it humorous because justice was served to so idiots that thought they were above the law.

BT

[FairwayFred]

Do other states have similar rules in place allowing only state residents on their course? If I lived in Michigan very near the Ohio border could I drive across to Ohio where golf is still open and play?

[nitram]

Thanks for the history lesson Jack. Saved me from posting something similar.

[DaveLeeNC]

The USTA (tennis version of the USGA) has recommended 'a pause' in play for tennis. https://www.usta.com/en/home/stay-current/pacificnw/usta-pnw-coronavirus-covid-19-update.html . Tennis would appear to be a higher risk activity than is golf. There are shared balls, continuous occupation of the same 'smallish' space (compared to golf), the play of the game (doubles) will tend to force occasional less than 6' spacing, etc. But the difference is not exactly night and day.

I have stopped playing as have roughly 1/3rd of the players in my usual golfing groups. I would view golf as a tough question. Golf is a particularly tough business in a shutdown environment as many of the expenses (mostly course maintenance and the very high capital expense) don't change much with no play.

dave

[bladehunter]

This could get muddy quick when someone challenges some of these “ orders” . Won’t say more without starting an argument.

But in this case it will hold up. The offenders weren’t denied travel , but were simply arrested for not quarantining first. The quarantine part is the actual infraction. Not crossing the border to play golf. They could cross , quarantine for 14 days then stay and play all they want. At least thats how I read it. Or am I missing something about “ only state residents “. The listed governors order just mentions anyone traveling for “ non work related purpose “ must quarantine for 14 days. No mention I see of courses only for residents. That maybe a course rule. But that doesn’t make it against the law.

[C6 Snowboarder]

We don't have a state border thingy going on - but at my course it is open only to members... and it is monitored closely. No Guests , no carts, walking only --

[LeoLeo99]

As a law curious person, I doubt they will actually be charged with anything. It's a bit vague about when you have to start your quarantine or that you can't return to your own state. You are denied interstate travel if the law is that once you cross into Rhode Island you can't leave for 14 days. I'm very curious if these state quarantine "laws" are even legal. The short bit of research I did showed that quarantine orders apply to named persons, not to the public as a whole. Seems very arbitrary that the quarantine order applies to some people and not others. The threat of mandatory quarantine is clearly there to limit and intimidate interstate travel. Not clear to me if states have the legal basis to limit or interfere with interstate travel in this manner.

[Mr. Bean]

'I assume that the statement that your vehicle papers in your country have information on the occupants is simply an error on your part.'

No, it is true. For example, if I buy a car and I borrow money for that from a financier it is that financier that owns the car until I have payed it in full and I am the occupant. Both parties are written in the registration document of the vehicle in question.

Why did you think it is an error?

 

'a 'resident of New York cannot get a driver's license from California (in principle).'

Why would that be necessary? If you have a NY licence are you not allowed to drive a car in Cal ?

[DaveLeeNC]

@Mr. Bean I think we are using the term occupant differently. To me a car containing four people has four occupants. You seem to have a more narrow view of the term.
A common reason that a person living in State X might get a driver's license in State Y would be the case where the driver had enough driving violations that his/her license was suspended in State X. So some folks would just go to a neighboring state and get another license. That is harder these days than it was a few decades back. There are other scenarios.
dave

[Mr. Bean]

Occupant in the dictionary I used means the person who is controlling the vehicle, i.e. is the person using it but not owning it (as in my example), but not just the person who drives it. There must be other words for the same meaning.

 

'A common reason that a person living in State X might get a driver's license in State Y would be the case where the driver had enough driving violations that his/her license was suspended in State X. So some folks would just go to a neighboring state and get another license. That is harder these days than it was a few decades back. There are other scenarios.'

This is simply fascinating! In Europe you cannot get a DL from another country unless you are a resident there. Which, once again, the authorities can check from their databases. Is it really the case that the individual states in US do not have knowledge who are the residents in that particular state?

[Hawkeye77]

Driver is an occupant. Passenger is an occupant. Simply means present in the vehicle. Nothing to do with control.

[bladehunter]

100% agree. A lot of bark but that dog has dentures.

[DaveLeeNC]

@Mr. Bean "This is simply fascinating! In Europe you cannot get a DL from another country unless you are a resident there. Which, once again, the authorities can check from their databases. Is it really the case that the individual states in US do not have knowledge who are the residents in that particular state?"
Same across the states in the US. There was time when checking between states was a bit hit or miss, but that is not the case these days. It gets more interesting when folks (for example) live 'up north' in the summer and 'down south' in the winter.
dave

[Mr. Bean]

Well, my English dictionary must have that wrong then.

What would be the word for a person who is the sole user of a car but that car is owned by another party?

[Newby]

If I buy a car and I borrow money for that from a financier it is that financier that owns the car until I have payed it in full and I am the occupant. Both parties are written in the registration document of the vehicle in question.

Not in this European county.

The Vehicle Registration Document records only the "Registered Keeper". This does not necessarily meant the financial owner. However they have legal liability for motoring offences (unless someone else was driving.Occupant

a person, family, group, or organization that lives in, occupies, or has quarters or space in or on something:the occupant of a taxicab; the occupants of the building.

a tenant of a house, estate, office, etc.; resident.Law.

an owner through occupancy.one who is in actual possession.

[James the Hogan Fan]

I would be interested in discussing in a PM if you want.

 

 

[DaveLeeNC]

Primary driver (vs. secondary driver) - at least in the world of car insurance in the US. dave

[Hawkeye77]

Teenage daughter.

[Newby]

And in the UK