Difference between 19* vs 21* hybrid

[hypergolf]

Is there any difference between adjusting hosel of 19* to 20.5* vs 21*  to 20.5*?

 

I understand 19* hybrid shaft will be slightly longer but all else equal will there be any difference?

 

Specifically interested in Titleist hybrids. Thanks.

[Aviador Naval]

I have always been more comfortable with hybrids and fairway woods going down in loft because it opens the clubface slightly.  Probably mental and not grounded in actual fact but it clears my mind that I haven’t dropped that very wide sole closer to the ground and I’d rather miss a little right than a whole lot left with lower lofted clubs.  Additionally, and probably most importantly, I’m more comfortable with the resulting look at address.

 

I have 818 H1 heads in 19, 21, 23, 25, and 27 (don’t ask...), have spent some time trying different combinations for gapping and consistency.  I  currently have the 27 at 26 and the 23 at 22 (in shafts shorter and heavier than stock) between 6i and 18 deg TSi3.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Aviador Naval

[PorkChopExpress]

Difference is probably ... zero

one day you’ll hit the 21 better

the next day you’ll hit the 19 better 

 

[Aviador Naval]

^^^ Concur with above.  Purely mental...

[5baytjd]

2 hours ago, hypergolf said:

Is there any difference between adjusting hosel of 19* to 20.5* vs 21*  to 20.5*?

In general going up in loft will close the face and going down in loft will open the face. 

 

You'd be changing 1.5* on the original 19* versus only changing the original 21* by half a degree so that is three times the movement.  How much that impacts the look is something you would have to investigate, to see which suites your eye better.

Edited January 16, 2021 by 5baytjd

[evoviiiyou]

I dumped my 19 since I hit my 22 opened up 1* similar yardage and added a 17 opened to 16 to fill the gap and it’s been brilliant for scoring. 
 

For whatever reason it just looks better 1* open lofted down to my eye and allows me to unleash with out fear of the left side. 

[5baytjd]

BTW, when I first saw just the title of the topic posted, I SO wanted to post the smart aleck comment - "last I checked that would be 2 degrees, if my math is correct"😆

Edited January 16, 2021 by 5baytjd

[Stuart_G]

4 hours ago, 5baytjd said:

In general going up in loft will close the face and going down in loft will open the face. 

 

You'd be changing 1.5* on the original 19* versus only changing the original 21* by half a degree so that is three times the movement.  How much that impacts the look is something you would have to investigate, to see which suites your eye better.

 

^^^

This is the correct answer.   The main difference will be the face angle.  Some people are sensitive to it and it can effect the severity of left/right misses.  Some are not and will notice no difference.    Only way to find out is to test / demo the clubs in the different positions.

 

And the length difference means that there will also be a difference in the head weight.

Nor would I dismiss the potential consequences of the length difference.

 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Stuart_G

[Alan Pllu]

Might and I emphasise the might part see a difference in strike location height and subsequent spin numbers. 

 

Personally I find lofting up a hybrid to its max adjustment lowers strike location and I end up with higher spin rates. Lofting down raises the strike and I get lower spin. 

 

You might find different happens with you but you won't know till you try it. 

 

I always align the face to what I think looks square behind the ball before taking my grip properly so face angle doesn't affect me when adjusting lofts on hybrids which may explain the strike location difference for me. 

[joostin]

2 hours ago, Alan Pllu said:

Might and I emphasise the might part see a difference in strike location height and subsequent spin numbers. 

 

Personally I find lofting up a hybrid to its max adjustment lowers strike location and I end up with higher spin rates. Lofting down raises the strike and I get lower spin. 

 

You might find different happens with you but you won't know till you try it. 

 

I always align the face to what I think looks square behind the ball before taking my grip properly so face angle doesn't affect me when adjusting lofts on hybrids which may explain the strike location difference for me. 

Yes, I'm sure many won't see a difference but this can happen.  Sole shape (camber, effective bounce) plays a role and allows for adjustments, but lofting down could bring the leading edge a little lower, and lofting up could raise it.  So lofting down can result in a higher strike and "dig" more, and lofting up can result in a lower strike and "bounce" more.

 

There could also be a tiny shift of the head's CG - higher when you loft down and lower when you loft up - maybe affecting spin a little, but strike location would reign supreme.  The same effects can play a slightly bigger role in fairway woods just because they are bigger and CG is farther back - like lofting a 3W and 5W into a 16.5° "4W" - but again YMMV on actual results.

 

[justcallmemoses]

19 hours ago, hypergolf said:

Is there any difference between adjusting hosel of 19* to 20.5* vs 21*  to 20.5*?

 

I understand 19* hybrid shaft will be slightly longer but all else equal will there be any difference?

 

Specifically interested in Titleist hybrids. Thanks.

 

 

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[NorthStar7]

21 hours ago, hypergolf said:

Is there any difference between adjusting hosel of 19* to 20.5* vs 21*  to 20.5*?

 

I understand 19* hybrid shaft will be slightly longer but all else equal will there be any difference?

 

Specifically interested in Titleist hybrids. Thanks.

I have Titleist 816 H2 19, 816 H2 21, and 818 H1 23. I did a fairly exhaustive test on TrackMan and concluded I hit the 816 H2 21 at 22* better than the 23 at 22*...so I play the 21.  I thought the shorter shaft of the 23 would give me more consistency, but it didn’t. I think this is all personal though and you would have to try them yourself. 
 

As an aside, Titleist hybrids go in one degree increments. Up to 2* up and 1* down. 

 

 

 

[hagimihale]

On 1/16/2021 at 10:45 AM, joostin said:

Yes, I'm sure many won't see a difference but this can happen.  Sole shape (camber, effective bounce) plays a role and allows for adjustments, but lofting down could bring the leading edge a little lower, and lofting up could raise it.  So lofting down can result in a higher strike and "dig" more, and lofting up can result in a lower strike and "bounce" more.

 

I have read this in several different places.  I think TXG did this experiment with a 15* 3W (lofting up to 15.75*) vs a 16.5* 4W (turned down to 15.75*).  I believe they found that the "lofted down" 4W gave higher strikes, slightly higher ball speed, higher launch and a bit more carry.  The "lofted up" 3W gave lower strikes with lower flight and more roll.  And I seem to recall that the 4W won in the total distance dept, but not by that much (possibly b/c of the longer shaft in the 3W). 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by hagimihale

[Stuart_G]

5 hours ago, hagimihale said:

 

I have read this in several different places.  I think TXG did this experiment with a 15* 3W (lofting up to 15.75*) vs a 16.5* 4W (turned down to 15.75*).  I believe they found that the "lofted down" 4W gave higher strikes, slightly higher ball speed, higher launch and a bit more carry.  The "lofted up" 3W gave lower strikes with lower flight and more roll.  And I seem to recall that the 4W won in the total distance dept, but not by that much (possibly b/c of the longer shaft in the 3W). 

 

 

 

How many different people did they test and for what range of ability?

 

Did they do anything to test or dial in the fit of the club to the individuals doing the test before the comparison?