Shaft weight and feel

[Cakalacman]

So I found a really nice set of MP32's from a guy that had been played 4x and bought them. They came with the S300 shafts. Since August I have been playing KBS Tour V 110's. Honestly I played like crap with them and it seemed to me the club felt like it weighed so much more and was very harsh. I probably would have been ok in that shaft when I was 19. However I am 42 now and really don't care about going after the golf ball like a tour pro. I am a 13 handicap and shot 94 with these damn things yesterday. What am I feeling here? Is it the weight and stiffness of the shaft I am unhappy with here. I know these clubs play better than what I felt yesterday. 

[BirdieBob]

The KBS v110 shafts in stiff are 110g while the DG S300 is a 130g shaft.  That will make then seem heavier.

Also need to check the swingweight to compare with what you have been playing.  A higher SW by comparison will cause the head to feel heavier.

 

[Golfrnut]

Got a lot going on there that is for sure different and potentially different.

 

As BB said, the weight is significant

Unknow other specific spec differences (length, SW, etc)

The bend profile between those two is significantly different as well

 

Combine that with contact location and head feel that could be adding to it....

[Cakalacman]

I was hitting Mavrik Pro before and it looks as if the weight is a D3. The 32's are D2 it looks like. Correct me if I'm wrong, that is what I found when I looked. 

 

Maverik Pro D3 sw/ with KBS Tour V 110 shafts

 

Mizuno MP32's D2 sw/ with S300 shafts. 

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

Lighter weight 110g shafts have you swinging faster and probably have a lighter swing weight feel.  Heavier DGS300 - 130g shafts will slow your tempo, heavier swing weight, may even slow your swing speed down because they feel heavy.  Sounds like you're feeling heavier swing weight, heavier shaft weight.  Then there's MP32 cut-muscle heads and their weight that may be playing a part in poor ball striking. 

 

As @Golfrnut says, you have very different profile shafts. 

 

 

[Cakalacman]

7 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Lighter weight 110g shafts have you swinging faster and probably have a lighter swing weight feel.  Heavier DGS300 - 130g shafts will slow your tempo, heavier swing weight, may even slow your swing speed down because they feel heavy.  Sounds like you're feeling heavier swing weight, heavier shaft weight.  Then there's MP32 cut-muscle heads and their weight that may be playing a part in poor ball striking. 

 

As @Golfrnut says, you have very different profile shafts. 

 

 

Then that explains it then. Now the decision is to either change the shaft in these or sell them. I don't really want to dump $300 in new shafts. I bought them to try out anyway and I won't have any trouble selling them and going to be fit again for new sticks with updated shafts etc. They are in immaculate shape. 

[Pepperturbo]

5 minutes ago, Cakalacman said:

Then that explains it then. Now the decision is to either change the shaft in these or sell them. I don't really want to dump $300 in new shafts. I bought them to try out anyway and I won't have any trouble selling them and going to be fit again for new sticks with updated shafts etc. They are in immaculate shape. 

You should be able to get new shafts under $45 ea + install.  All depends on how much you like the MP32 heads.  Other option is having KBS v110's installed in Mizuno MP32 heads. 

[Cwebb]

10 minutes ago, Cakalacman said:

Then that explains it then. Now the decision is to either change the shaft in these or sell them. I don't really want to dump $300 in new shafts. I bought them to try out anyway and I won't have any trouble selling them and going to be fit again for new sticks with updated shafts etc. They are in immaculate shape. 

 

The Mp-32's are still in demand.  In that condition with the original shafts, I'm sure you could sell them quite easily on one of the various online selling sites

[mickw]

42 minutes ago, Cakalacman said:

I was hitting Mavrik Pro before and it looks as if the weight is a D3. The 32's are D2 it looks like. Correct me if I'm wrong, that is what I found when I looked. 

 

Maverik Pro D3 sw/ with KBS Tour V 110 shafts

 

Mizuno MP32's D2 sw/ with S300 shafts. 

 

 

The other thing to consider is if you looked up the swing weight on the manufacturer's website, or if the guy you bought them from told you they were ordered D2. I ordered 718 AP2's with DG S300 shafts at a swing weight of D6 and +1 inch in length. Heavy irons to say the least, but that's what I still like at 49yo. 

[petep1980]

The S300 is a heavy shaft. It will get tiring to hit. I am on a kick Im convinced I need heavier shafts, but Im also now 40, and wonder if Ill just regret it. 

[MrTempo]

On 2/22/2021 at 1:21 PM, Cakalacman said:

So I found a really nice set of MP32's from a guy that had been played 4x and bought them. They came with the S300 shafts. Since August I have been playing KBS Tour V 110's. Honestly I played like crap with them and it seemed to me the club felt like it weighed so much more and was very harsh. I probably would have been ok in that shaft when I was 19. However I am 42 now and really don't care about going after the golf ball like a tour pro. I am a 13 handicap and shot 94 with these damn things yesterday. What am I feeling here? Is it the weight and stiffness of the shaft I am unhappy with here. I know these clubs play better than what I felt yesterday. 

If you want to sell them, I would be interested.

[Cakalacman]

On 2/22/2021 at 4:38 PM, petep1980 said:

The S300 is a heavy shaft. It will get tiring to hit. I am on a kick Im convinced I need heavier shafts, but Im also now 40, and wonder if Ill just regret it. 

Well I played the S300 Sunday and felt like I was swinging a telephone poll. Just bought a set of ZX7 with 114g Nippon and are waaaaaaay more fun to swing and I'm 42. I would just go hit a bucket of balls with a 130g shaft then put a 90-110g in your hands the next day and hit a bucket. It won't take long to figure out. Lol. At least that was MY experience. You may be correct for you and like it. I'll say this tonight the fitter put a S300 105g vs the similar shaft Sunday that was 130g in my hand and it was a total big diff feel with the same S flex. 

[phizzy30]

Swing weight is huge factor in this.  Do you find yourself hitting it all over the face?  I know that for myself, if the club is the wrong swing weight, I tend to mis hit more often especially if it's too light. 

[Brenkj]

I have a similar question that I’m trying to work through.  I’ve always been told I’m a regular flex guy.  But I hit my Vokey SM7 56-deg wedge (which came with a DG S200 shaft) FAR better than any other club in my bag.   I feel it better throughout the swing, and the results are dramatically better.  I’m a mediocre golfer, but I’m a legend amongst my buddies from 90 yards and closer.   The shafts on my irons (P770s) are DG 105 R300’s, so they’re about 25g lighter than the S200 shaft.  My fitter and I added weight to the heads of my irons to bring them up to about D4-D6.  The Vokey 56 is supposedly a D5 or D6 too, but a lot of that weight is coming from the heavier shaft (as opposed to extra weight in the head like with my irons).   And the Vokey feels SO much better to swing - even with the stiffer shaft  So, finally the question:   Is there a fundamental difference in feel, flex, bend point, performance, etc. from adding weight through a heavier shaft versus adding extra weight in the head?   Thanks. 

[NCDuffer]

I went from graphite to steel recently and my iron distance and ball flight improved along with dispersion.  The graphites were 60g and the steels 90-100g.  The weight helped with tempo and feeling the club.  For me the overall shaft weight matters more than the swing weight.

[Brenkj]

Wow - that’s a big jump in shaft weight.   That’s good to hear, because that’s exactly what (I think) I’m feeling with the heavier shafts in my wedges.   Did you change anything else with the shafts (flex, bend point, etc.)?

[Brenkj]

NCDuffer:  since you went from graphite to steel, is it fair to assume the new, heavier shafts are also stiffer flex?    If so, what you did is basically what I’m contemplating - stiffer flex and about 25g more shaft weight.   Did you do anything to your iron heads to adjust for the heavier shafts?  Thx

[NCDuffer]

Brenkj - Swing weight went from roughly C8/9 to D2, but that didn’t feel like much to me.  I tried lead tape on the old heads and it didn’t help me much.  Shaft weight change helped me feel the whole club if that makes any sense and tempo and timing improved.  My swing speed is right on the line between flexes, but did go up one flex as dispersion seemed better.  Wedges are 10 or 15g heavier than irons now.  I’ve always heard go lighter, makes me think about going shorter on driver to increase length.  Both flex points are low.  Shafts - 2015 or 2016 Ping CFS Graphite to KBS Tour 90.  The club guy put a KBS in a 7 iron and I played it 3 rounds and hit a bunch on the range over the month.  Just took me a while to believe it.

[Brenkj]

Wow - that’s exactly my situation, and exactly what I hope to do with my fitter.    Hopefully I’ll have similar results.   Thanks for the response.   

[Brenkj]

NCDuffer:  just curious - how did you discover your affinity for stiffer, heavier shafts?