2021 Hugel-Air Premia LA Open (Apr 21 - 24)

[Stooch]

16 minutes ago, Argonne69 said:

 

It's not like she's freezing over the ball (driving, irons, or putting). She's taking forever to select a club and address the ball. A number of times she was the 2nd or third to hit, and when the camera cut to her she was still talking about distances, wind, and club selection. She had at least a minute to do that while Jin Young and Jessica were hitting. The 30 seconds starts when its the players turn to hit, but there's the added time when going last in the group.

 

 

No defense of Brooke she was slow on the greens, outside 12th tee shot which she wanted no part of for whatever reason (evidenced by her miss) while she did take her time from the fairway none seemed  that out of line to me.  The big problem in falling behind happened at the 12th, Brooke was on the 13th tee for a good 5 minutes while JYK was cleaning up, now Brooke really added to the time by the end taking so much time putting but that's on the LPGA, I have no clue why they weren't put on the clock but if this were the NFL and ref's allowed the defense to line up offside without penalty, well the defense is gonna line up offside.  As for the Korda's, as ridiculous as it was the time taken by Brooke on the greens, the Korda's pace of play expectations are ridiculous also, there are maybe 5 players on the LPGA who meet the standard lol.  Sure in a perfect world but the worlds not perfect and if being slow rolled has this amount of an effect, that's a mental weakness that's on you.  While not funny for Ms Jang and only reason there is humor in it was what Christie did actually worked and then as mentioned was contrasted the following week by being ridiculed and mocked by Haru and she went on to win.  My advice for Jessica is maybe take a little more time on your shots and maybe you won't come up 30 yards short on an 80 yard lob wedge from the fairway and end up making a bogey on a hole you had no business making a bogey on in the final round of an event.

[Argonne69]

10 minutes ago, Stooch said:

 

No defense of Brooke she was slow on the greens, outside 12th tee shot which she wanted no part of for whatever reason (evidenced by her miss) while she did take her time from the fairway none seemed  that out of line to me.  The big problem in falling behind happened at the 12th, Brooke was on the 13th tee for a good 5 minutes while JYK was cleaning up, now Brooke really added to the time by the end taking so much time putting but that's on the LPGA, I have no clue why they weren't put on the clock but if this were the NFL and ref's allowed the defense to line up offside without penalty, well the defense is gonna line up offside.  As for the Korda's, as ridiculous as it was the time taken by Brooke on the greens, the Korda's pace of play expectations are ridiculous also, there are maybe 5 players on the LPGA who meet the standard lol.  Sure in a perfect world but the worlds not perfect and if being slow rolled has this amount of an effect, that's a mental weakness that's on you.  While not funny for Ms Jang and only reason there is humor in it was what Christie did actually worked and then as mentioned was contrasted the following week by being ridiculed and mocked by Haru and she went on to win.  My advice for Jessica is maybe take a little more time on your shots and maybe you won't come up 30 yards short on an 80 yard lob wedge from the fairway and end up making a bogey on a hole you had no business making a bogey on in the final round of an event.

 

What's out of line? The players are allowed 40/30 seconds to hit. I don't think Brooke hit a single shot within that timeframe. I timed many of her shots, and they were in the 60 second range, with several taking more than 2 minutes. Out of line? Maybe not, but certainly not within the allowed time.

 

The problem is that taking more time puts the group further out of position, and risks getting put on the clock. Quick players will almost always try to make up for the slow players by playing even faster. 

 

Honestly, the whole "group getting put on the clock" thing just has to go. Why should a quick player have to feel pressure to speed up because of another player in the group? Every shot should be timed from the opening tee shot. Give a player a couple of "time outs" or "extra time" cards that they can use throughout the round. Professional poker finally instituted a shot clock. I'll be more than willing to join the officiating crew to man the stopwatches. Lol.

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Argonne69

[Stooch]

15 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

Obviously a little accuracy with that second shot helps too, you can hit 18/18 girs, but if your looking at 20-40 foot birdie putts that's gonna hurt.

 

Bummed I picked Georgia over Hannah, as they were both on my radar this week.

 

Yeah Matilda's scoring average is 71, which points to other issues, whether putting or proximity.  Sure without proximity greens in reg can be misleading.  But when your greens in reg are this high, it tells me more about your misses and most of the time they are still hitting the greens.  I suspect the case with Matilda is similar to what I noticed with Brooke late last season and early this one, her scrambling was way off and misses resulted in bogeys and doesn't give you much margin for error.  The most annoying thing is they have scrambling stats cause the mention them on the broadcast all the time, they just don't give them to us lol

[golfortennis]

OK, so I have avoided this thread primarily due to the fact I recorded rounds and watched the next morning, and wanted to avoid spoilers.  So coming in late, but I do have one request:  can y'all stop referring to the players by their first names?  Aside from the fact I doubt anyone knows them personally, nor the fact you would not refer to the men by their first names with the same frequency, the biggest issue is, unless someone is hardcore, people would have no idea who you are talking about.  The last few pages have been fine since there were really only about 5 players in the mix, but earlier on.... Andrea, Alison...  could be a whole bunch of players.  BUt Lee6 gets referred to by her last name....

 

Anyway, rant over.  GC coverage sure seems to love to show Morgan Pressel even when she is well out of contention.  I'm sure every player who doesn't do commentary on their broadcasts gets the same treatment.

 

Even though I was rooting for Henderson(or do I say Brooke? :-)), I hope she doesn't play that slow again.  It's a bad look, not to mention out of character.  I wish Judy Rankin would have been more direct in her criticism.  She danced around it(as did Foltz), but call it out.  Did not like seeing how long of conversations the sisters had before a shot was hit.      

[Bad9]

3 hours ago, ChronicSlicer said:

I disagree, it would be easy to be taken seriously if her golf game was worth mentioning week in and week out. It's not, until it is, she will be known as the "hot golfer chick from Instagram", something tells me she's ok with that.

 

That title is already taken by Spirinac.

[ChronicSlicer]

18 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

So coming in late, but I do have one request:  can y'all stop referring to the players by their first names?  Aside from the fact I doubt anyone knows them personally, nor the fact you would not refer to the men by their first names with the same frequency, the biggest issue is, unless someone is hardcore, people would have no idea who you are talking about.  The last few pages have been fine since there were really only about 5 players in the mix, but earlier on.... Andrea, Alison...  could be a whole bunch of players.  BUt Lee6 gets referred to by her last name....

 

 

🤔 considering I'm almost 100% positive there is only one Alison and one Andrea on the LPGA tour, they can't be a whole bunch of people. For what it's worth, I just counted 7 threads on the Tour Talk thread, which is 99% PGA talk, that do indeed use first names as the title heading. 👍

[Argonne69]

10 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

🤔 considering I'm almost 100% positive there is only one Alison and one Andrea on the LPGA tour, they can't be a whole bunch of people. For what it's worth, I just counted 7 threads on the Tour Talk thread, which is 99% PGA talk, that do indeed use first names as the title heading. 👍

 

At least we're not using nicknames. Lol. 😄

 

[HMHS]

51 minutes ago, Stooch said:

 

Yeah Matilda's scoring average is 71, which points to other issues, whether putting or proximity.  Sure without proximity greens in reg can be misleading.  But when your greens in reg are this high, it tells me more about your misses and most of the time they are still hitting the greens.  I suspect the case with Matilda is similar to what I noticed with Brooke late last season and early this one, her scrambling was way off and misses resulted in bogeys and doesn't give you much margin for error.  The most annoying thing is they have scrambling stats cause the mention them on the broadcast all the time, they just don't give them to us lol

+1 on the scrambling stats... we need something to connect GIR, putting etc to the score itself... we can surmise all we want but why they don't just publish it - i dunno as well... can be done in PGA so why not LPGA?  

 

On Matilda, I think you're correct -- wrong area of the green to hit into -- sign(s) of a rookie - dunno where to land the ball or miss it... Matilda's GIR is high but Bianca's is below avg in my opinion... both practice together quite a bit relative to others (don't ask how i know) ... this year Matilda is outplaying Bianca by a mile... though if you ask me, both are working hard as one another... again, all relative to one another (not relative to Hideki's practices LOL)

[MagicClassic407]

1 minute ago, Argonne69 said:

 

At least we're not using nicknames. Lol. 😄

 

Yeah, like DeChamslow.....now pertinent in this threat.🙊

[Golf Dino]

 

On the tidbit info side of things:

 

Brooke -- 58 of 72 GIRs, (81% rounded), Angela Stanford was tops with 61 GIR (85% rounded), followed by Hannah Green and Jess Korda with 59 GIRs (82%);

Despite winning, Brooke still managed 4 x 3-putts this week, including 2 on Sunday;

The highest number of 3-putts for the week was 7, which was achieved by 6-players;

Two players went the week with 0 x 3-putts (So Yeon Ryu and Pernilla Lindberg);

 

Putting wise, So Yeon Ryu had a fantastic week:

0 x 3-putts

105 putts total for the week (lowest for the tournament/111-putts was the next lowest by Morgan Pressel & Nelly)

1.65 putts per GIR, lowest for the week (along with Nelly)  Jess Korda was next at 1.66

 

Anyway, just some interesting data (IMHO) that I came across.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Golf Dino
added Nelly's Putts per GIR

[Argonne69]

Just rewatched the opening two holes of the broadcast. 

 

They cut to the 8th green where Brooke was setting up for her first putt. 56 seconds. She had a 4 ft comeback putt after marking, and she took 51 seconds on the comeback. 

 

On the 9th she took 40 seconds to hit her tee shot. Her approach took 54 seconds. On the green her first putt took 1:27, and her 4 ft second took 1:07. 

 

In six shots she was above the allotted time on each one, and the two putts on the 9th were triple and double the allowed time. 

 

[HMHS]

3 minutes ago, MagicClassic407 said:

Yeah, like DeChamslow.....now pertinent in this threat.🙊

now now, let's stop insulting crusty and her tactics as well... 😛

[Argonne69]

3 minutes ago, MagicClassic407 said:

Yeah, like DeChamslow.....now pertinent in this threat.🙊

 

I do miss the good old days here on this forum. Crusty. Snap. The Librarian. Goofy. Kangaryu. Legs. 

 

[ChronicSlicer]

6 minutes ago, Supermilo said:

+1 on the scrambling stats... we need something to connect GIR, putting etc to the score itself... we can surmise all we want but why they don't just publish it - i dunno as well... can be done in PGA so why not LPGA?  

 

On Matilda, I think you're correct -- wrong area of the green to hit into -- sign(s) of a rookie - dunno where to land the ball or miss it... Matilda's GIR is high but Bianca's is below avg in my opinion... both practice together quite a bit relative to others (don't ask how i know) ... this year Matilda is outplaying Bianca by a mile... though if you ask me, both are working hard as one another... again, all relative to one another (not relative to Hideki's practices LOL)

Who's Matilda and Bianca and this Hideki character?

[Stooch]

46 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

OK, so I have avoided this thread primarily due to the fact I recorded rounds and watched the next morning, and wanted to avoid spoilers.  So coming in late, but I do have one request:  can y'all stop referring to the players by their first names?  Aside from the fact I doubt anyone knows them personally, nor the fact you would not refer to the men by their first names with the same frequency, the biggest issue is, unless someone is hardcore, people would have no idea who you are talking about.  The last few pages have been fine since there were really only about 5 players in the mix, but earlier on.... Andrea, Alison...  could be a whole bunch of players.  BUt Lee6 gets referred to by her last name....

 

Anyway, rant over.  GC coverage sure seems to love to show Morgan Pressel even when she is well out of contention.  I'm sure every player who doesn't do commentary on their broadcasts gets the same treatment.

 

Even though I was rooting for Henderson(or do I say Brooke? :-)), I hope she doesn't play that slow again.  It's a bad look, not to mention out of character.  I wish Judy Rankin would have been more direct in her criticism.  She danced around it(as did Foltz), but call it out.  Did not like seeing how long of conversations the sisters had before a shot was hit.      

 

I'd rather confuse somebody than offend people by constantly misspelling names of the players due to the global nature of the fields 😂

[Golf Dino]

1 minute ago, Argonne69 said:

Just rewatched the opening two holes of the broadcast. 

 

They cut to the 8th green where Brooke was setting up for her first putt. 56 seconds. She had a 4 ft comeback putt after marking, and she took 51 seconds on the comeback. 

 

On the 9th she took 40 seconds to hit her tee shot. Her approach took 54 seconds. On the green her first putt took 1:27, and her 4 ft second took 1:07. 

 

In six shots she was above the allotted time on each one, and the two putts on the 9th were triple and double the allowed time. 

 

 

 

Oy, we know (rightly or wrongly/ intentional or not) she was playing slower than usual, but @Argonne69  Brooke or the "slow play" issue is starting to live rent free in your head!   😄 

[Argonne69]

Just now, Stooch said:

 

I'd rather confuse somebody than offend people by constantly misspelling names of the players due to the global nature of the fields 😂

 

Imagine if we were Zooming and butchering the pronunciation of the names. Lol. 

 

It's 'Ah' Lim Kim, not 'A' Lim. 

 

[HMHS]

2 minutes ago, Stooch said:

 

I'd rather confuse somebody than offend people by constantly misspelling names of the players due to the global nature of the fields 😂

stop it pagdanganan, tavatanakit, anannarukarn, jutanugarn x2! 

Edited April 25, 2021 by HMHS

[Argonne69]

2 minutes ago, Golf Dino said:

 

 

Oy, we know (rightly or wrongly/ intentional or not) she was playing slower than usual, but @Argonne69  Brooke or the "slow play" issue is starting to live rent free in your head!   😄 

 

Lol. I think it's squating. 

 

[ChronicSlicer]

4 minutes ago, Golf Dino said:

 

 

Oy, we know (rightly or wrongly/ intentional or not) she was playing slower than usual, but @Argonne69  Brooke or the "slow play" issue is starting to live rent free in your head!   😄 

Give the player/caddie a cart and 60 seconds per shot, unless the course is wet, then they all walk.

[Argonne69]

2 minutes ago, Supermilo said:

stop it pagdanganan, tavatanakit, anannrukarn, jutanugarn x2! 

 

No love for Muangkhumsakul, Niphatsophon, Santiwiwatthanaphong, Suwannapura, or Thanapolboonyaras? 

 

[Golf Dino]

Just now, ChronicSlicer said:

Give the player/caddie a cart and 60 seconds per shot, unless the course is wet, then they all walk.

 

I have always been a proponent of each player having an allotted amount of time for the round.  Then the group official can deduct their time from each shot played.  If they exceed it before the end of the round then they start incurring stroke penalties or perhaps fines first and then on a second offense, strokes.  

 

It is something like they do in curling ... each team has a set time allotment to play (akin to a shot clock for the entire match)

[ChronicSlicer]

6 minutes ago, Argonne69 said:

 

Imagine if we were Zooming and butchering the pronunciation of the names. Lol. 

 

It's 'Ah' Lim Kim, not 'A' Lim. 

 

Speaking of her, Ms. Kim seems to have a decent game. I suspect she will become a player out there, given some time for adjusting.

[Argonne69]

8 minutes ago, Golf Dino said:

 

I have always been a proponent of each player having an allotted amount of time for the round.  Then the group official can deduct their time from each shot played.  If they exceed it before the end of the round then they start incurring stroke penalties or perhaps fines first and then on a second offense, strokes.  

 

It is something like they do in curling ... each team has a set time allotment to play (akin to a shot clock for the entire match)

 

Playing devil's advocate here, it would take at least one additional official per group. Right now there's only a couple of roaming officials on the course. There would be a bit of judgment involved. It's not always clear when the clock "officially" starts. I imagine there would have to be some leeway before fines or strokes were awarded. 

 

If I recall correctly, the PGA Tour has implemented a new timing mechanism based on ShotLink data. They know exactly when each shot was recorded, and can calculate the total time. Yet another reason for the LPGA to adopt ShotLink. 

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Argonne69

[Stooch]

9 minutes ago, Supermilo said:

stop it pagdanganan, tavatanakit, anannarukarn, jutanugarn x2! 

Unless the LPGA field turns into a bunch of Jenny Smith's, I'm short forming it lol

[Golf Dino]

Just now, Argonne69 said:

 

Playing devil's advocate here, it would take at least one additional official per group. Right now there's only a couple of roaming officials on the course. There would be a bit of judgment involved. It's not always clear when the clock "officially" starts. I imagine there would have to be some leeway before fines or strokes were awarded. 

 

If I recall correctly, the PGA Tour has implemented a new timing mechanism based on ShotLink data. They now exactly when each shot was recorded, and can calculate the total time. Yet another reason for the LPGA to adopt ShotLink. 

 

 

Yeah, I agree.  It would be a bit of a challenge for tournament organizers to come up with those extra volunteers.  And yes, there should be some leeway such as a player slowly exiting the tee box before the next player can tee up;  but it is infinitely less costly to implement than the "shot link" type of system.   

 

Though a system like the shot link would be preferable.

 

 

[HMHS]

15 minutes ago, Argonne69 said:

 

No love for Muangkhumsakul, Niphatsophon, Santiwiwatthanaphong, Suwannapura, or Thanapolboonyaras? 

 

while we're at it, we forgot the simplest of them all: Phatlum aka Porny (how's that for shortfoming it @Stooch 😛... and watch out: Atthaya Thittikul, Jaravee Boonchant are going to add to that list!

Edited April 25, 2021 by HMHS

[Obee]

Was looking forward to watching today, since I play there virtually every year in tournament conditions. Why a Saturday finish?

[Argonne69]

4 minutes ago, Golf Dino said:

 

Yeah, I agree.  It would be a bit of a challenge for tournament organizers to come up with those extra volunteers.  And yes, there should be some leeway such as a player slowly exiting the tee box before the next player can tee up;  but it is infinitely less costly to implement than the "shot link" type of system.   

 

Though a system like the shot link would be preferable.

 

 

 

I don't think they could use volunteers. A walking scorer does not keep the official score. When one is talking about assessing fines or penalty strokes, it would very likely have to be a paid official with the tour.

 

[HMHS]

Just now, Obee said:

Was looking forward to watching today, since I play there virtually every year in tournament conditions. Why a Saturday finish?

I don't know the exact/official reason, but I surmise they need to fly out as soon as possible to Sentosa (in SG)... that's at least another 12 hrs plus 12 hrs lost in time zone vs ET (15 hrs lost vs PT)