2021 Mizuno T22 wedges (in-hand photos)

[Neo1]

i have a T7 60.06...would the 60.06 X grind be similar?

[SwingMan]

22 hours ago, 1putt2win2 said:

i have a T7 60.06...would the 60.06 X grind be similar?

Depends on the grind on the T7.

 

 

[Neo1]

2 hours ago, SwingMan said:

Depends on the grind on the T7.

 

 

 

that's why i was asking...there's only one 60.06 wedge spec on the T7 line and it looks like a double grind similar to a T22 X or C but not sure which one it's closer too as i only have pics of the T22 line and never seen in person obviously

Edited October 3, 2021 by 1putt2win2

[SwingMan]

7 hours ago, 1putt2win2 said:

 

that's why i was asking...there's only one 60.06 wedge spec on the T7 line and it looks like a double grind similar to a T22 X or C but not sure which one it's closer too as i only have pics of the T22 line and never seen in person obviously

 

I've not seen Mizuno use an X Grind previously - but my experience is limited. The D and the X look like modified versions of the M and C Grind they used in the T20. I want to limit digging, and went with the C grind in the 60 with the T22. I find it easy to use and open up on tightish, firm turf in N Texas. What I would not mind is a slight beveling of the leading edge to have it sit down closer to the ground like my Artisans. If you got raw or copper, it's easier to slightly grind and have it look good afterwards.

Edited October 3, 2021 by SwingMan

[Neo1]

3 hours ago, SwingMan said:

 

I've not seen Mizuno use an X Grind previously - but my experience is limited. The D and the X look like modified versions of the M and C Grind they used in the T20. I want to limit digging, and went with the C grind in the 60 with the T22. I find it easy to use and open up on tightish, firm turf in N Texas. What I would not mind is a slight beveling of the leading edge to have it sit down closer to the ground like my Artisans. If you got raw or copper, it's easier to slightly grind and have it look good afterwards.

 

so do you think the X grinds leading edge sits closer to the ground compared to the C?

[SwingMan]

4 hours ago, 1putt2win2 said:

 

so do you think the X grinds leading edge sits closer to the ground compared to the C?

From what I've seen on this site, yes. Is that good? Depends on your swing and setup. I don't know the bounce on the X Grind, but I assume it is 6 degrees. I like a minimum of 8 for all around play - I return the face to where I had it in my setup on a stock wedge shot, which is very neutral, meaning shaft fairly straight up

[HarborMike]

I know the copper finish is all the rave with these, but just watched a video with Vosh and Golf Monthly “Best of Wedges 2021”. Is it me or doesn’t the satin chrome look freakin’ damn sexy? 
 

Would think the satin chrome would blend well with MP-20, upcoming Mizuno Pro, and JPX (Forged and HM line). 

[Bunkersarebigcups]

1 hour ago, HarborMike said:

I know the copper finish is all the rave with these, but just watched a video with Vosh and Golf Monthly “Best of Wedges 2021”. Is it me or doesn’t the satin chrome look freakin’ damn sexy? 
 

Would think the satin chrome would blend well with MP-20, upcoming Mizuno Pro, and JPX (Forged and HM line). 

 

Thats the raw one in the video 😉 The Satin Chrome is very "chromey" and shiney on the back.

And yes, the raw one looks really great

Edited October 5, 2021 by Bunkersarebigcups

[SwingMan]

3 hours ago, HarborMike said:

I know the copper finish is all the rave with these, but just watched a video with Vosh and Golf Monthly “Best of Wedges 2021”. Is it me or doesn’t the satin chrome look freakin’ damn sexy? 
 

Would think the satin chrome would blend well with MP-20, upcoming Mizuno Pro, and JPX (Forged and HM line). 

 

If you need to blend and coordinate finishes, the Satin Chrome works - it also has the copper layer which gives it a softer feel. The raw does not have the copper layer. It's not as satin as I like but it works well and will feel great off the ball.

[picardyThird]

 

[ewaldbeukes]

Anyone tried the T22 vs a Cleveland Zipcore? or just tried them in general? How are the sole grinds, feel etc?

[sociojeje]

So T22 is smaller (with the addition of good looking color) and other things are pretty similar? Essentially the same tech but T22 has more tour look than T20. If so, hope T20 gets much cheaper as it wasn't super popular... 

[picardyThird]

3 hours ago, sociojeje said:

So T22 is smaller (with the addition of good looking color) and other things are pretty similar? Essentially the same tech but T22 has more tour look than T20. If so, hope T20 gets much cheaper as it wasn't super popular... 

According to testers, the T22 is supposed to feel much softer than the T20. I tried the T20 and it felt a bit clicky, not offensive by any means but not as soft as the SM8/MG2/RTX Zipcore/etc. If the T22 manages to up the softness while maintaining a solidness of feel, I won't hesitate to buy them.

 

I'm a bit interested to see how the denim copper holds up. GolfNut says that the denim copper patinas, but with such a beautiful finish I'd almost rather that they stay pristine.

[SwingMan]

25 minutes ago, picardyThird said:

According to testers, the T22 is supposed to feel much softer than the T20. I tried the T20 and it felt a bit clicky, not offensive by any means but not as soft as the SM8/MG2/RTX Zipcore/etc. If the T22 manages to up the softness while maintaining a solidness of feel, I won't hesitate to buy them.

 

I'm a bit interested to see how the denim copper holds up. GolfNut says that the denim copper patinas, but with such a beautiful finish I'd almost rather that they stay pristine.

 

The copper layer in the Copper and Satin have the copper layer and are softer than a baby's behind. The raw does not have the copper layer.

 

Copper does not remain pristine ... if you want pristine, go satin chrome.

 

My Artisans are rusting, the T22's are copper. I don't mind a mess.

Edited October 12, 2021 by SwingMan

[picardyThird]

13 minutes ago, SwingMan said:

 

The copper layer in the Copper and Satin have the copper layer and are softer than a baby's behind. The raw does not have the copper layer.

 

Copper does not remain pristine ... if you want pristine, go satin chrome.

 

My Artisans are rusting, the T22's are copper. I don't mind a mess.

Does the copper wearing away affect the feel?

[sociojeje]

44 minutes ago, picardyThird said:

According to testers, the T22 is supposed to feel much softer than the T20. I tried the T20 and it felt a bit clicky, not offensive by any means but not as soft as the SM8/MG2/RTX Zipcore/etc. If the T22 manages to up the softness while maintaining a solidness of feel, I won't hesitate to buy them.

 

I'm a bit interested to see how the denim copper holds up. GolfNut says that the denim copper patinas, but with such a beautiful finish I'd almost rather that they stay pristine.

I just got a like-new t20 for $70 haha. I guess people are moving on. Hopefully it doesn't feel too clicky. Soft feeling wedges wear too fast in my experience and I hit my gap wedge very often. 

[SwingMan]

56 minutes ago, sociojeje said:

I just got a like-new t20 for $70 haha. I guess people are moving on. Hopefully it doesn't feel too clicky. Soft feeling wedges wear too fast in my experience and I hit my gap wedge very often. 

They put 3% boron with the soft steel in order for the grooves to last longer. The boron makes it impure but still soft. But in the T22, you get a copper underlay in the stain and copper that makes them feel softer than Charmin.

[SwingMan]

13 hours ago, picardyThird said:

Does the copper wearing away affect the feel?

Copper has only worn off a Tony bit on the sole from ground interaction on the 54- grass and bunker. Still very copper-y. The 58, where I used it in the bunker a lot - is raw on the sole.  I haven't seen an effect on feel from face wear - the copper is still there. Just gets worn off slowly by the ball like any finish but more than satin chrome.

 

No effect on feel.

Edited October 12, 2021 by SwingMan

[sociojeje]

14 minutes ago, SwingMan said:

They put 3% boron with the soft steel in order for the grooves to last longer. The boron makes it impure but still soft. But in the T22, you get a copper underlay in the stain and copper that makes them feel softer than Charmin.

Sounds all good. Though I got my t20, I will certainly try t22. 

[picardyThird]

1 hour ago, SwingMan said:

Copper has only worn off a bit on the sole from ground interaction - grass and bunker.

 

No effect on feel.

I've seen in your photos in the other T22 thread that there's a bit of wear on the face. Is that the copper wearing away? Do you anticipate the wedge losing softness over an extended lifespan as the face copper wears?

 

Appreciate the comments a lot. Sorry for all of the questions.

[SwingMan]

10 hours ago, picardyThird said:

I've seen in your photos in the other T22 thread that there's a bit of wear on the face. Is that the copper wearing away? Do you anticipate the wedge losing softness over an extended lifespan as the face copper wears?

 

Appreciate the comments a lot. Sorry for all of the questions.

 

No worries. I played the T20 in Satin and Raw and the grooves were holding their own after 18 months. The boron does its thing. I thought the T20's were soft but not as soft as the T22 or my HMB, which have a copper layer under the chrome.

 

My thoughts are the copper will wear on the face, I can see it wear, but it still feels very soft. The grooves will last due to the boron, and if the copper feels like the raw T20 after a period of time, it's fine - they felt good. Now the real decision if wear bothers you, is knowing that the Satin Chrome has the copper layer forever with a feel similar to the HMB, do you want soft feel and a good look at address?

 

I don't mind rust - my Artisans grow rust but I do pencil eraser off the grooves to keep the edges  and grooves clean.  The T22 in copper really show zero signs of rust after almost 3 months of play.

[Phabs]

My wedge 54 should be out for delivery tomorrow.  Excited to see the copper denim in hand…

[picardyThird]

13 hours ago, SwingMan said:

 

No worries. I played the T20 in Satin and Raw and the grooves were holding their own after 18 months. The boron does its thing. I thought the T20's were soft but not as soft as the T22 or my HMB, which have a copper layer under the chrome.

 

My thoughts are the copper will wear on the face, I can see it wear, but it still feels very soft. The grooves will last due to the boron, and if the copper feels like the raw T20 after a period of time, it's fine - they felt good. Now the real decision if wear bothers you, is knowing that the Satin Chrome has the copper layer forever with a feel similar to the HMB, do you want soft feel and a good look at address?

 

I don't mind rust - my Artisans grow rust but I do pencil eraser off the grooves to keep the edges  and grooves clean.  The T22 in copper really show zero signs of rust after almost 3 months of play.

Thanks for the response. It's not so much that I'm concerned with wear in particular (though it really is a shame that that gorgeous copper luster will necessarily fade), but rather preserving the same soft feel as the copper scuffs and wears away. Do you think that the satin chrome (which has the copper underlay, with the copper not exposed) will stay softer for longer?

[SwingMan]

7 hours ago, picardyThird said:

Thanks for the response. It's not so much that I'm concerned with wear in particular (though it really is a shame that that gorgeous copper luster will necessarily fade), but rather preserving the same soft feel as the copper scuffs and wears away. Do you think that the satin chrome (which has the copper underlay, with the copper not exposed) will stay softer for longer?

 

In person, the copper sheen is there - it just doesn't show in pictures. I use a very small amount of light abrasive cleaner as I do on raw wedges if I want to clean them up. Otherwise, it just a nylon brush and water to clean the grooves.

 

Because the chrome satin is a more enduring finish, it will last longer -like an iron, but the sole wears faster because of bunker play. I can only assume it will feel like an MP20 iron, which has the copper underlay and feels extremely soft.

 

The copper is unique and very soft. It's like a raw wedge where you've got to accept rust. With copper, you will eventually get the wear in certain places. Even where it is raw, it is still soft and I don't know if it will rust - no signs of it. But I know a golfer with the T22 raw and he loves them.

 

Here is a better pic of the copper taken this morning - you've got the copper sheen that you see in real life.

Edited October 13, 2021 by SwingMan

[SwingMan]

Copper sheen, anyone?

 

Pic above and this are two different pics of same wedge after almost 3 months of use. It's all about how the light hits the wedge.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by SwingMan

[picardyThird]

Fabulous pics, thank you for the feedback. In case you couldn't guess, I'm completely enamored with the denim copper, I'm just harboring some concerns about how long it will last, since to my knowledge this exposed-copped approach hasn't been done before (or at least, definitely not with the treatment that Mizuno is using here).

[SwingMan]

6 hours ago, picardyThird said:

Fabulous pics, thank you for the feedback. In case you couldn't guess, I'm completely enamored with the denim copper, I'm just harboring some concerns about how long it will last, since to my knowledge this exposed-copped approach hasn't been done before (or at least, definitely not with the treatment that Mizuno is using here).

 

I have no idea but the boron seems to keep the grooves longer than other forged wedges. The copper will wear down like any wedge surface. So you can think of it as a raw wedge with a copper layer but the copper shows no signs of rust. I buy wedges every 2 yrs so I'm fine with the copper. Mizuno may, may last longer due to their composition.

 

But even a satin chrome wedge wears down, first on the sole, then on face - now the Mizuno with the Satin Chrome has the copper underlay. So it should feel great with a slight difference as to the Copper because the copper is softer than the Satin Chrome. I went with the copper look because all finishes wear down. I usually buy another set before the grooves lose spin and use the old wedges for practice on the range.

[picardyThird]

1 hour ago, SwingMan said:

 

I have no idea but the boron seems to keep the grooves longer than other forged wedges. The copper will wear down like any wedge surface. So you can think of it as a raw wedge with a copper layer but the copper shows no signs of rust. I buy wedges every 2 yrs so I'm fine with the copper. Mizuno may, may last longer due to their composition.

 

But even a satin chrome wedge wears down, first on the sole, then on face - now the Mizuno with the Satin Chrome has the copper underlay. So it should feel great with a slight difference as to the Copper because the copper is softer than the Satin Chrome. I went with the copper look because all finishes wear down. I usually buy another set before the grooves lose spin and use the old wedges for practice on the range.

I think this may be the way to go for the 58°, that softness around the greens is going to be essential. I'm thinking maybe satin chrome in the 50° and 54° to blend better with my HMB PW. I pretty much only take full shots with the 50°, full or 3/4 shots with the 54°, and 100% of my chips/pitches/greenside bunker shots with the 58°. Most likely the wedges will last my for at least a couple of years, at which point I wouldn't mind buying a new set (maybe even new T22's, I'm sure these will still be amazing in a couple of years). 

 

I think that you have shown that you have the denim copper in the GW and SW as well as the LW. I also see that you have the HMB PW. How do you like the blend from the PW to the GW? 

[SwingMan]

16 minutes ago, picardyThird said:

I think this may be the way to go for the 58°, that softness around the greens is going to be essential. I'm thinking maybe satin chrome in the 50° and 54° to blend better with my HMB PW. I pretty much only take full shots with the 50°, full or 3/4 shots with the 54°, and 100% of my chips/pitches/greenside bunker shots with the 58°. Most likely the wedges will last my for at least a couple of years, at which point I wouldn't mind buying a new set (maybe even new T22's, I'm sure these will still be amazing in a couple of years). 

 

I think that you have shown that you have the denim copper in the GW and SW as well as the LW. I also see that you have the HMB PW. How do you like the blend from the PW to the GW? 

 

I will let you decide. To me. the heads are fairly similar and I have no issues.

 

Frankly, I am not a big fan of the 9-PW in the HMB - want them slightly smaller with a beveled top line and slightly less offset, which they've said is coming with the MP22. Mizuno says the new 225 will be fully designed as an iron line instead of staying with its forgiving, long iron heritage. So hope is alive, although I enjoy the 5-8i.

[picardyThird]

2 minutes ago, SwingMan said:

 

I will let you decide. To me. the heads are fairly similar and I have no issues.

 

Frankly, I am not a big fan of the 9-PW in the HMB - want them slightly smaller with a beveled top line and slightly less offset, which they've said is coming with the MP22. Mizuno says the new 225 will be fully designed as an iron line instead of staying with its forgiving, long iron heritage. So hope is alive, although I enjoy the 5-8i.

Definitely understand what you mean regarding the HMB 9i-PW, though coming from 2007-era Cobra S9's it's hard to complain! 

 

I still want to try the clubs myself once they're available at fitting stores, but I'm almost 100% convinced that I'm going to get a set of these. It's just a question of finish and shaft preferences.