Macgregor May be Back

[BIG STU]

On 1/17/2023 at 3:52 PM, OsnolaKinnard said:

I think the correct term used on Facebook was “hollow bodied cheat sticks”.

 

Hollow bodies in the 3-5 irons would be nice with solid forgings 6-GW even nicer…and traditional-ish lofts please!!!

I actually replied to you this AM on Forged Club Appreciation on FB. I was stoked when I first heard the news and posted here. Since reading more posts here and on FB plus the company posts seing what they are for the price my enthusaism has waned a lot

[deejaid]

I emailed Macgregor on Sunday asking about these new irons, including how much they can be bent, demo club availability, etc.   It is now Wednesday and haven’t yet gotten a response so decided to call their 800 number and it went to voicemail after one ring saying no customer service agents were available, to leave a message and they will email you back.

 

Not a good start to customer service for a new company.

[OsnolaKinnard]

On 1/24/2023 at 2:21 PM, BIG STU said:

I actually replied to you this AM on Forged Club Appreciation on FB. I was stoked when I first heard the news and posted here. Since reading more posts here and on FB plus the company posts seing what they are for the price my enthusaism has waned a lot

I feel the same way.  My “modern” irons are Edel Single length and are hollow bodied.  I like then alot, but I have no desire to own another set of hollow bodied irons.  MacGregor teased us with a classic big block car and gave us a POS EV.  Lame.

 

All they have done is make irons for the masses that no “masses” will buy and alienate the people that love MacGregor for what they were

known for, high quality forged irons.

 

i hate to say it, but these heads will be available on Ebay in 18 months.

[BIG STU]

7 hours ago, OsnolaKinnard said:

I feel the same way.  My “modern” irons are Edel Single length and are hollow bodied.  I like then alot, but I have no desire to own another set of hollow bodied irons.  MacGregor teased us with a classic big block car and gave us a POS EV.  Lame.

 

All they have done is make irons for the masses that no “masses” will buy and alienate the people that love MacGregor for what they were

known for, high quality forged irons.

 

i hate to say it, but these heads will be available on Ebay in 18 months.

Exactly my thoughts. Or available as component from Diamond Tour Golf or Hurricane golf

[deejaid]

Still waiting to hear back from Macgregor.

[cold_war_era_golfer]

46 minutes ago, deejaid said:

Still waiting to hear back from Macgregor.

There is no “MacGregor”. 

[bcstones]

11 hours ago, cold_war_era_golfer said:

There is no “MacGregor”. 

??? who mentioned "MacGregor" ???

[cold_war_era_golfer]

15 minutes ago, bcstones said:

??? who mentioned "MacGregor" ???

I’m poking fun @deejaidThe idea that MacGregor is an actual entity that we’d hear back from.  Isn’t it essentially a group who owns the name and production is in a place like China and the name is just slapped on?  Far cry from the real MacGregor IMO.  

[Swingingk]

57 minutes ago, cold_war_era_golfer said:

I’m poking fun @deejaidThe idea that MacGregor is an actual entity that we’d hear back from.  Isn’t it essentially a group who owns the name and production is in a place like China and the name is just slapped on?  Far cry from the real MacGregor IMO.  

While the practical part 

[Swingingk]

3 minutes ago, Swingingk said:

While the practical part 

...of me has to admit that this whole thing is probably a marketing ruse the impractical part of me wants to believe that 

[bcstones]

 

1 hour ago, cold_war_era_golfer said:

I’m poking fun @deejaidThe idea that MacGregor is an actual entity that we’d hear back from.  Isn’t it essentially a group who owns the name and production is in a place like China and the name is just slapped on?  Far cry from the real MacGregor IMO.  

I'm totally confused, really....is the company now making MacGregory clubs not a real company?????

Edited January 29, 2023 by bcstones

[RobotDoctor]

6 hours ago, bcstones said:

 

I'm totally confused, really....is the company now making MacGregory clubs not a real company?????

While this company is called MacGregor golf, many feel that is all this venture has in common as the original company.  Figuratively this may be true in terms of heritage, this venture may continue some of the traditions established by the original MacGregor.  However, the history, documentation, pedigree was not retained but the passion may be there.  Hard to say.  To me this looks like a company capitalizing on an esteemed name in golfing lore pushing current day equipment that only has a connection with badging and marketing than design tradition.  This venture certainly isn't a classic club topic but another new club topic.  Maybe this is part of my cynicism because of my passion for MacGregor persimmon woods and the rich heritage the original MacGregor company had and the appearance of some business people capitalizing on a brand name.  I hope I am wrong but .....

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by RobotDoctor

[cold_war_era_golfer]

47 minutes ago, RobotDoctor said:

While this company is called MacGregor golf, many feel that is all this venture has in common as the original company.  Figuratively this may be true in terms of heritage, this venture may continue some of the traditions established by the original MacGregor.  However, the history, documentation, pedigree was not retained but the passion may be there.  Hard to say.  To me this looks like a company capitalizing on an esteemed name in golfing lore pushing current day equipment that only has a connection with badging and marketing than design tradition.  This venture certainly isn't a classic club topic but another new club topic.  Maybe this is part of my cynicism because of my passion for MacGregor persimmon woods and the rich heritage the original MacGregor company had and the appearance of some business people capitalizing on a brand name.  I hope I am wrong but .....

 

 

Exactly.  Much better than how I said it. 
 

I’m trying to think of a comparison. 
 

Up here in Milwaukee the PBR brewery is a historical building that has nothing to do with PBR.  That name is owned by a company based out of LA and the beer is brewed all over the country. 

[The Aspidistra in the Hall]

It is a fact that 'tradition' helps to sell product; it's an established marketing ploy. Doesn't matter if it's beer, cars or in this instance golf clubs.

My Sounder clubs have had their name hijacked by a boutique company selling golfing haberdashery. Makers of replica hickories rely on selling product by referencing makers of yore. Most of the Scottish cleekmakers had their cleekmarks hijacked by American club makers, not the least MacGregor. And lets not forget MacGregor even changed the spelling of their name to make it sound more 'Scottish', which helped to sell more clubs back in the day.

[JungleJimbo]

On 1/25/2023 at 4:21 AM, BIG STU said:

I actually replied to you this AM on Forged Club Appreciation on FB. I was stoked when I first heard the news and posted here. Since reading more posts here and on FB plus the company posts seing what they are for the price my enthusaism has waned a lot

@BIG STU Has your enthusiasm for the new MacGregor iron = picked up again, after seeing that M.G...S.. article today by John Barba?

 

..GoogleSearch <== provides a Link to the article.

 

https://bit.ly/40yczGn

 

[BIG STU]

22 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

@BIG STU Has your enthusiasm for the new MacGregor iron = picked up again, after seeing that M.G...S.. article today by John Barba?

 

..GoogleSearch <== provides a Link to the article.

 

https://bit.ly/40yczGn

 

I have not read it yet---- I am a member there but have not been on there in a while--- But I will read and I pretty much go by what John says having worked with him in the past on tests etc. And John is a closet Mac man and has a couple of sets

[BIG STU]

Jimbo---- I read the article just now and are still on the fence. Hoping I can get in on the test since over there I am considered the resident Macgregor man. I will say this and do not mean to offend. IF I were to buy a modern set I might go there over PXG or Ping or any other modern hollow irons because after all they are Macgregor.

[JungleJimbo]

Just now, BIG STU said:

Jimbo---- I read the article just now and are still on the fence. Hoping I can get in on the test since over there I am considered the resident Macgregor man. I will say this and do not mean to offend. IF I were to buy a modern set I might go there over PXG or Ping or any other modern hollow irons because after all they are Macgregor.

@BIG STU Hoping you get selected to Test-Drive those MacGregors! 🤞

[NRJyzr]

3 hours ago, BIG STU said:

over there I am considered the resident Macgregor man

 

Aren't you also wearing that badge over here?  🙂

 

[BIG STU]

9 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Aren't you also wearing that badge over here?  🙂

 

Well I guess in a way I am but there are others here who know on Macs than I do---- But I guess as far as playing everyday whether my version of modern or vintage I guess I am the resident die hard Macgregor man

Edit I will admit I did slip the other week and played vintage with my 54 Hogan Precisions but I did have Mac wedges and a Ironmaster putter

Edited February 8, 2023 by BIG STU

[Hickory4ever]

55 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

Well I guess in a way I am but there are others here who know on Macs than I do---- But I guess as far as playing everyday whether my version of modern or vintage I guess I am the resident die hard Macgregor man

Edit I will admit I did slip the other week and played vintage with my 54 Hogan Precisions but I did have Mac wedges and a Ironmaster putter

Stu, there may be other MacGregor aficionados on here, but no one I know uses them and understands them the way you do. Being a collector is one thing, being a vintage player is another. It’s sort of like a guy that has every kind of tool but rarely uses them. The craftsman uses the tools.

 

I have this discussion frequently with some of our collectors in the GHSC. Hanging a playable club on a wall just doesn’t seem right to me. If I restore a club, it will be used.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Hickory4ever

[deejaid]

I did receive an email back from Macgregor.  In regards to lie adjustability they said “we have bent +/- 2* without any issue” which doesn’t really answer my question.  Almost any cast club can be bent 2*, a forged iron should at least be able to be bent 4-5* without issue.

[Pepperturbo]

There's bad and good to the revival of MacGregor. 

 

I had THE best fitting ever by MacGregor back in early 2k.  I was able to pick all aspects of each club head like their touring pros, it was remarkable.  I flew home and soon after my beautiful butter knife blades, one 2 iron MB blade, an extra CB 2i, and 3-LW set of beautiful blades arrived.  Played them for a while, still have them in storage.  To me, MacGregor is like original Snake owned by Ernie V, who made still THE BEST wedges for the tour.  I was fortunate to get 4 sets, played them until 2016.

 

Whoever buys the rights isn't likely to match what those two companies brought to market.  Probably like when Golfsmith bought Snake Eyes out of BK, then proceeded to make yuk.  I hope I am wrong but...

Edited February 2 by Pepperturbo

[BIG STU]

7 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

There's bad and good to the revival of MacGregor. 

 

I had THE best fitting ever by MacGregor back in early 2k.  I was able to pick all aspects of each club head like their touring pros, it was amazing.  I flew home and soon after my beautiful butter knife blades, one 2 iron MB blade, an extra CB 2i, and 3-LW set of beautiful blades arrived.  Played them for a while, still have them in storage.  To me, MacGregor is like original Snake owned by Ernie V, who made still THE BEST wedges for the tour.  I was fortunately to get 4 sets, played them till 2016.

 

Whom ever buys the rights isn't likely to match what those two company's brought to market.  Probably like when Golfsmith bought Snake Eyes out of BK, then proceed to make yuk.  I hope I am wrong but...

As SOP for us again we share the same opinion. I am trying to be upbeat and positive on this but with the soul and heart of a vintage Macgregor man it is hard for me to do

[NRJyzr]

13 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Well I guess in a way I am but there are others here who know on Macs than I do---- But I guess as far as playing everyday whether my version of modern or vintage I guess I am the resident die hard Macgregor man

Edit I will admit I did slip the other week and played vintage with my 54 Hogan Precisions but I did have Mac wedges and a Ironmaster putter

 

Over there, you're largely a group of one.  Here, you're still Mr MacGregor, but other members of Clan MacGregor are also around.  😀 

 

Such as it seems to me  <shrug>

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by NRJyzr

[HoganApexBlades]

[deejaid]

The similarities between the revitalized but now defunct Ben Hogan Co. and this new Macgregor Co. can’t be ignored.   Both companies bought the name of a once great golf brand to sell new irons direct to consumer, both have a very limited number of shaft offerings, actually the same single model of KBS steel and single model of Recoil graphite, and very little to no custom options.

 

I tested a set of Hogan’s for a golf website and in my review I called out Hogan for their lack of options when other direct to consumer companies like Sub 70 Golf were offering tons of custom shaft and fitting options.

 

A unknown brand like Sub 70 that gives the consumer full customization at a fair price has flourished, while a legacy name like Ben Hogan offered few customization choices and could get buyers to purchase a once revered brand.  I feel this Macgregor line will suffer the same fate.

[hammergolf]

The Pro M, Pro C, and DW forged wedges were as good as anything else made.

[cold_war_era_golfer]

Ugh the marketing “decidedly retro.” Every time I look at these irons I dislike them more and think they couldn’t be further away from a real MacGregor.  Aside from the wing back nothing about these reminds me of the 50s MTs or even the 80s remakes. 
 

I think in some ways my 3 year journey into golf with the self imposed limitation of vintage only has made me happily ignorant.  I see a screw in the toe and I’ve never seen that before but I’m realizing that must be some sort of weight system?

[Hickory4ever]

I cannot see me buying something like this which merely is recycling the MacGregor name. Since there are plenty of the originals around that can be had for a small fraction of the insane prices of modern equipment, I will stick to the oldies. Besides, the scavenger hunt in finding them is so much fun.