Can't duplicate practice swing lag

[ThaPebblePlaya]

On 6/15/2023 at 7:47 AM, MountainKing said:

 

Your practice swing is cool if all you want to do is swing with the arms, that swing would be non functional as it's a mess mechanically.

On 6/14/2023 at 8:30 AM, GoGoErky said:

Your practice swing lacks rotation in the back swing and you fire your hips open and that leaves the hands dragging. As said earlier if you used your practice swing you would have bad results 

 

On 6/15/2023 at 11:41 AM, MonteScheinblum said:

This is a nonfunctional position here.  You’d hit every ball fat.  Your issue is not loss of lag, your issue is a narrow stance with significant pelvis sway instead of rotation and shift.  Look how far behind the ball and feet the right shoulder is.  You sway the pelvis and are stuck on right side, then you slide on downswing and leave your upper body back.  You’d hit it WAY worse if you didn’t throw it.  
 

widen the stance and learn to turn and shift correctly

 

 

 

 

Completely wrong, wrong, wrong and worse than useless. You ask for help on one specific thing and the peanut gallery comes in to give you advice they are not qualified to give, maybe even malicious advice? Wow just wow how wrong these people were.

 

On 6/14/2023 at 1:06 AM, sociojeje said:

I guess your side vision matters. I look at the grass right below the ball for any shots other than driver. My task is cutting the grass with the club. Same task for any practice swing. Could work for you... 

 

Thank you to the ONE person who actually read what I posted and gave helpful advice. This went about 80% of the way to fixing the problem, I shot 71 yesterday with that "beginner", "mess mechanically", "nonfunctional position" swing.

 

Thanks again to all the haters. If you want to play better golf, figure out what is wrong with your swing and TUNE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT, especially the dunces on this forum.

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

 

 

Completely wrong, wrong, wrong and worse than useless. You ask for help on one specific thing and the peanut gallery comes in to give you advice they are not qualified to give, maybe even malicious advice? Wow just wow how wrong these people were.

 

 

Thank you to the ONE person who actually read what I posted and gave helpful advice. This went about 80% of the way to fixing the problem, I shot 71 yesterday with that "beginner", "mess mechanically", "nonfunctional position" swing.

 

Thanks again to all the haters. If you want to play better golf, figure out what is wrong with your swing and TUNE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT, especially the dunces on this forum.

An extremely impressive display of Dunning Kruger.  I applaud you sir for your excellent parody.

[MPStrat]

How did I miss this thread? I want to see the swing. 

[MountainKing]

@MonteScheinblum isn't qualified to give advice?   That's a new one. 

 

You didn't want advice,  you just wanted somebody to validate you.  

 

 

[MBAndrews21]

I don't know about this guys...once OP puts his practice swing on the ball your all gonna be begging to caddy for him on tour.

[Valtiel]

3 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

 

 

Completely wrong, wrong, wrong and worse than useless. You ask for help on one specific thing and the peanut gallery comes in to give you advice they are not qualified to give, maybe even malicious advice? Wow just wow how wrong these people were.

 

 

Thank you to the ONE person who actually read what I posted and gave helpful advice. This went about 80% of the way to fixing the problem, I shot 71 yesterday with that "beginner", "mess mechanically", "nonfunctional position" swing.

 

Thanks again to all the haters. If you want to play better golf, figure out what is wrong with your swing and TUNE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT, especially the dunces on this forum.

On the off chance that there is still a teachable moment in here, here is exactly why and how you're wrong. And for the record, I can't speak to MountainKing and GoGoErky's credentials, but Monte is a former long drive champion and professional instructor who *is not wrong*. Here is why:



You said "Looking at the strike location on the practice swing, I am striking roughly where the ball should be", but that isn't close to true unfortunately. If you watch the turf really closely, you strike the ground in all the practice swings (which was helpful), but those four dots represent *where*. Your low point is all over the map, this is case #1 for why practice swings are not good barometers. The face was definitely *not* square in all these positions, because how could it be, and was likely only functionally square in a way that would produce a decent flight in those forward points off your left foot. You then setup with the ball 3-4 balls back of that:



And then make a much longer backswing than your practice swing, again functionally completely different:



When you add all of that up, you get the exact outcome that you're experiencing, the existence of which proves the people you yelled at right. In order to make square contact with the ball it would need to be way up on your front foot instead of the middle of your stance, and the subsequent slide you would need to get your low point in front of that ball would be a consistency nightmare and you'd skull and chunk regularly. If you put a ball down in front of your practice swings you would spray it all over the place.

So yeah, you owe the three folks you roid raged on an apology, and maybe you might get some further advice if you hang up the unearned ego over a topic you're literally trying to get help on.
 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Valtiel

[GolfTurkey]

3 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

 I shot 71 yesterday with that "beginner", "mess mechanically", "nonfunctional position" swing.

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

11 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

I find it totally believable he shot 71.

 

https://www.golfnow.com/tee-times/facility/9403-van-nuys-golf-course-18-hole-par-3/search#sortby=Date&view=Grouping&holes=3&timeperiod=3&timemax=42&timemin=10&players=0&pricemax=10000&pricemin=0

[TheDeanAbides]

All this thread needs is someone to let the OP know that understanding D-plane will help him to shoot 71 every week without changing his swing…

[slytown]

12 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

 

 

Completely wrong, wrong, wrong and worse than useless. You ask for help on one specific thing and the peanut gallery comes in to give you advice they are not qualified to give, maybe even malicious advice? Wow just wow how wrong these people were.

 

 

Thank you to the ONE person who actually read what I posted and gave helpful advice. This went about 80% of the way to fixing the problem, I shot 71 yesterday with that "beginner", "mess mechanically", "nonfunctional position" swing.

 

Thanks again to all the haters. If you want to play better golf, figure out what is wrong with your swing and TUNE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT, especially the dunces on this forum.

 

Yikes bro. If you didn't want advice, don't post anything. Everyone is giving good advice here (especially Monte.) Having a narrow stance and narrow swing will make it difficult to time up contact on the course. If you want to improve, then do what monte says: widen. If you want to shoot 71 once and "hope" you do it again, stick to the narrow stuff.

 

I'll give you advice on scoring well more often with your current swing: practice, A LOT. You've shown you can score well with the swing. I'm guessing you have a great short game. Its hard to give advice if you don't talk about your ball flights or greens reg, etc. I'm guessing your higher scores are from missed greens. Work on your timing, A LOT. That's what the current swing requires.

 

I'm all for unique swings. Not everyone can swing like Rory. But, there are some fundamental things you can do to improve your swing and improve contact. That is what everyone in the thread is telling you and you should at least humor them.

Edited September 14, 2023 by slytown

[Nels55]

@ThaPebblePlaya I think you might find this video relevant to your situation:

 

[slytown]

3 minutes ago, Nels55 said:

@ThaPebblePlaya I think you might find this video relevant to your situation:

 

 

Yea, Milo is great. I'm always pleasantly surprised how many hockey players play good golf versus baseball players. Not shocked, but just pleasantly surprised because the sports are very interchangeable swing wise.

 

[Sean124]

9 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

All this thread needs is someone to let the OP know that understanding D-plane will help him to shoot 71 every week without changing his swing…

[Zitlow]

Don't get discouraged you have a good motion but you aren't swinging the club on plane because your shoulders and hips are too level at the top. You end up swinging over, down and around in the downswing instead of under out and up. 

 

 

Take a practice swing and as you start down let go with your right hand. Where does the path of the club want to go? 

 

Try a couple of things and see if your perception of how the club should swing changes. 

 

Definitely need a little wider stance and start your swing with a shift to your right foot, just like taking a step but do it sideways and let your right knee extend, not lock the same way it does when you walk. Let momentum do most of the work to get you to the top. 

 

At the top you want your weight to be supported by and balanced on your right leg and hip. Right hip higher than left hip and right shoulder higher than left shoulder then go allowing the club trace the same path it did with the practice swing when you let go with your right hand as you started down. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Zitlow

[Lefthook]

On 6/14/2023 at 5:16 PM, ThaPebblePlaya said:

Thanks for the comments, maybe my topic wasn't the right choice of words. I'm not necessarily holding the lag or using that as a swing thought, it just so happens that my hands are nicely ahead of the ball at impact in my practice swing and not in my real swing.

 

Here is a video of what I'm taking about - https://youtube.com/shorts/QT4CGw5TN7I

 

Look at the hands at impact position on practice swings - ahead of the ball, should be good compression!

 

Real swing - I throw my arms / hands early and hands are over the ball more or less at impact.

 

Looking at the strike location on the practice swing, I am striking roughly where the ball should be, face is slightly open at impact (but nothing ridiculous like 30 degrees open).

 

Basically I want to execute that practice swing with a ball in front of me. I guess there are no tricks, I just need to train myself to do it with various ways. I started trying to hit a tee in front of the ball (not the ball itself), that works somewhat. Next I will try closing my eyes and having a bystander usually (but not always) move the ball away during my backswing. It sounds dumb but I'm willing to try anything at this point.

I managed to stop the video at impact on your trial swing. The club head is blurred, but it looks OK.

 

I think you're suffering from a hit impulse here.  Trail hip (and shoulders) is leading your hands way into the down swing on your trial swing. With a ball on the ground, you catch up with the hands way too early.

 

One key that may be worth trying is turn everything together from hip to hip ... i.e. don't let the hands catch up with the pivot before p8-p9.

 

As others have pointed out, there may be a real flaw that is preventing you from maintaining pivot lag through the ball, but then again, maybe not. In any case you would learn something if you managed to hit the ball with the trial swing and examine the result.