I'm baffled- I've been doing the golf swing (wrist motion) wrong the entire time...

[scarrdbutsmartr]

I've been lucky enough to have some elite tier instruction (Korn Ferry/Pga tour players). I've spent countless hours on a swing monitor and practicing. I've gotten down to where I am a high 80s player and havent been able to budge no matter how much I've practiced.

 

I had an epiphany over the last three range seasons and I've realized ALL of the work i've put in has been useless. I've been using my wrist incorrectly the entire time and the wrist motion is literally opposite of what I've been doing and virtually every one of my friends do. I've been timing my swing, wrist rotation, body and club to contact the ball at the same time. Its almost impossible to time all of that up perfectly. Consistency (left/right) has been an issue for me and slight over draw/hooks are usually the result. 

 

I've been working on club shallowing and bowing the wrist. Through this process I've figured out the main driver in the wrist action is NOT rotation it is flexion. Flection rotates, or at least feels like it rotates, the club face in the opposite direction. I've gained twenty yards by completely changing my wrist action from rotation to flection. My standard deviation, over three practice sessions, is down from about 7 yards (right/left) to around 3 yards.

 

I've watched a MILLION youtube videos and loads of lessons and I've never seen this mentioned. Maybe I've just missed it in the videos and all of the instructions but why, for the love of money, isnt this talked about more often.  I may be an absolute mouth breathing moron and maybe Im still doing it wrong. If its wrong it should be taught as an option as my results have been nuts. I have never had such accuracy and length on the range and simulator. I play a round this weekend so I will see if it translates. 

 

If my round goes well and my new wrist motion is still the "incorrect" way to do it, Im never going back - LOL 

Edited July 27, 2023 by scarrdbutsmartr

[toc]

Which wrist? I'm assuming you have two

[crucible]

Well, you have my attention.  Please expand on this.

 

[scarrdbutsmartr]

The best way for me to explain it is with wrist rotation/flexion is like a door knob and a motorcycle handle. If you rotate your right wrist on a door knob the door handle rotates in a counter clockwise motion. In this motion the toe and the heel of the club rotates counter clockwise or towards the ball. 

 

If you use flexion its like a motorcycle grip. The wrist is mainly using flexion like you are applying gas to a motorcycle. The heel of the club and the toe of the club rotate clockwise. 

 

If you use flexion the rotation of the club and your body go in opposite directions. The amount club rotation is cut by a significant margin and in the opposite direction. It leads to dead straight shots..

 

Again many of you may already be doing this but its an epiphany to me and its had massive results. I may still be doing it "wrong" but the results are right for me. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by scarrdbutsmartr

[Zitlow]

I think he found out that you don't need a lot of clubhead twisting around the shaft. 

[scarrdbutsmartr]

5 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

I think he found out that you don't need a lot of clubhead twisting around the shaft. 

 

Its definitely this but the rotation is in the opposite direction that I've always been doing. My old direction of club rotation was counter clockwise, the new rotation is clockwise. The rotation of the body and the rotation of the club are now opposite. Body rotates counter clockwise, club rotates clockwise. 

 

again I may be an absolute moron for implementing this but the results for me are off the charts 

Edited July 27, 2023 by scarrdbutsmartr

[scarrdbutsmartr]

17 minutes ago, toc said:

Which wrist? I'm assuming you have two

 

Im refencing the right wrist but both wrist have to move in the same direction...

 

...and Im in North Atlanta too. Howdy neighbor. 

[SUPERG]

Were you turning the lead hand down into the backswing IE a flat backswing? Yep, hard to shallow the club when it's already shallow relative to the correct plane. Butt of the club should point straight down at the ground, or at least feel that way. Turn from there and the club shallows itself. 

[GungHoGolf]

It’s called lead wrist flexion (aka “the motorcycle move,” and all good players do it some, usually in the downswing, to help square the face. How much you need depends on your grip strength.

 

There are a ton of TouTube videos about it - glad you discovered it. 

[Carlito]

I don‘t think it has to do with lead wrist. In my opinion it‘s the clockwise rotation of the right arm/wrist to achieve a stable clubface (opposing hands).

And there are not ton of YTs about it. Only Moehogan and Nitram are able to describe it in the correct way.

This is the way😉

[j.b.newton]

my really bad guess is that he realized the external rotation of the right shoulder on the downswing causes the right wrist to move how he is describing....  but then again - chicken/egg.

[Tfb003]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvFgdcTOx40/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
 

are you describing the move he makes in point #2 in this video?

 

I am confused my you saying you rotate your right wrist counter clockwise…

[bladehunter]

So you’re pulling a Matthew Wolfe ? Then trying to shallow.  
 

I think of it like a putting stroke. If you moved your wrist counter clockwise going back , you’d have a shut face across the line loop that you’d have to then recover from.   That causes the open faced cut across push back on line.  

[GoGoErky]

Must have missed all the AMG videos and not following Monte, Shauheen, GG and a few others on social 

[RoyalTroon]

3 hours ago, scarrdbutsmartr said:

If you use flexion its like a motorcycle grip. The wrist is mainly using flexion like you are applying gas to a motorcycle.

 

Wrist extension, not flexion,  is used on the throttle for acceleration. 

[Srthom12]

41 minutes ago, BALLYBUNION said:

 

Wrist extension, not flexion,  is used on the throttle for acceleration. 

I’m wondering if they have their Flexion and extension flipped. If they’re flexing their right wrist as a right handed golfer that’s going to open the face more, sounds very backwards

[Chunkitgood]

The OP does seem to have extension and flexion mixed up, although in honesty don’t know what he is trying to say.

 

I always take such opportunities to point out that experts at any skilled activity literally do not know (have conscious access to) how the do what they do so well.  This is not to say a good golfer cannot figure out the swing, but he has learn it apart from doing it.  It’s unfortunate that golf is mostly taught by people who play golf well, who don’t have access to what they do, and do not necessarily have what it takes upstairs to figure it out.

[fjk]

You’re all assuming OP saying lead wrist flexion but he’s clearly saying he is opening the club face (clockwise rotation/alpha torque) and cupping the lead wrist. 
 

Just a move that at the moment matches up better for the rest of his swing. At the moment. 

[crucible]

5 hours ago, scarrdbutsmartr said:

 

Its definitely this but the rotation is in the opposite direction that I've always been doing. My old direction of club rotation was counter clockwise, the new rotation is clockwise. The rotation of the body and the rotation of the club are now opposite. Body rotates counter clockwise, club rotates clockwise. 

 

again I may be an absolute moron for implementing this but the results for me are off the charts 

Keep doing this if its working. Keep it simple and enjoy.

[TayTaySlam]

OP send wrist pics

[Fuscinator]

Back in the 70s, we just chalked all this sort of thing up to bad acid. Have you ever considered just hitting the asterisks out of the ball with your trail hand? By the time your one remaining wrist does whatever t* you said it's supposed to do, the ball should be on its way to wherever t* it's going.

[Cwebb]

34 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

Back in the 70s, we just chalked all this sort of thing up to bad acid. Have you ever considered just hitting the asterisks out of the ball with your trail hand? By the time your one remaining wrist does whatever t* you said it's supposed to do, the ball should be on its way to wherever t* it's going.

 

The problem is they tried that, a lot....and it didn't produce well

[Fuscinator]

8 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

The problem is they tried that, a lot....and it didn't produce well

It produced well for me and a number of other people. Maybe you should try sailing...or chess.

[TexasTurf]

This is exactly what Frozen Divots used to post about on here about torque and angular momentum. Completely counterintuitive but it is the way the universe works. His ban is still the biggest downfall of this website, the guy was just trying to explain this to everyone and was kicked because the biggest "influencers" here didn't understand his "misinformation." The more you try to flex it forward, the more it stalls or goes back, and the more you try to flex it back, the more it goes forward. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by TexasTurf

[naj959]

I could be wrong but I think OP is saying he uses wrists to shallow which opens the face and then "feels" like he uses his pivot to put the club on the ball squarely. I used to fight an overly shut face and feeling the club open in the downswing was useful. 

[tm3]

6 hours ago, TexasTurf said:

This is exactly what Frozen Divots used to post about on here about torque and angular momentum. Completely counterintuitive but it is the way the universe works. His ban is still the biggest downfall of this website, the guy was just trying to explain this to everyone and was kicked because the biggest "influencers" here didn't understand his "misinformation." The more you try to flex it forward, the more it stalls or goes back, and the more you try to flex it back, the more it goes forward. 

Misinformation?  In a golf discussion?

 

Say it isn't so ......

[Tfb003]

7 hours ago, TexasTurf said:

This is exactly what Frozen Divots used to post about on here about torque and angular momentum. Completely counterintuitive but it is the way the universe works. His ban is still the biggest downfall of this website, the guy was just trying to explain this to everyone and was kicked because the biggest "influencers" here didn't understand his "misinformation." The more you try to flex it forward, the more it stalls or goes back, and the more you try to flex it back, the more it goes forward. 

so what way are you torquing the club?

 

rotating right wrist counter clockwise in transition / downswing?

[RoyalTroon]

8 hours ago, TexasTurf said:

This is exactly what Frozen Divots used to post about on here about torque and angular momentum. Completely counterintuitive but it is the way the universe works. His ban is still the biggest downfall of this website, the guy was just trying to explain this to everyone and was kicked because the biggest "influencers" here didn't understand his "misinformation." The more you try to flex it forward, the more it stalls or goes back, and the more you try to flex it back, the more it goes forward. 

 

He was broomed from the ABS site too.    Fascinating guy with top shelf tour level insights.   

[Zitlow]

8 hours ago, TexasTurf said:

This is exactly what Frozen Divots used to post about on here about torque and angular momentum. Completely counterintuitive but it is the way the universe works. His ban is still the biggest downfall of this website, the guy was just trying to explain this to everyone and was kicked because the biggest "influencers" here didn't understand his "misinformation." The more you try to flex it forward, the more it stalls or goes back, and the more you try to flex it back, the more it goes forward. 

 

Unfortunately people have to beat their heads against the wall for months or years before they finally realize they are being fed a load of crap on here about the swing. 

[Ri_Redneck]

On 7/27/2023 at 2:33 PM, GungHoGolf said:

It’s called lead wrist flexion (aka “the motorcycle move,” and all good players do it some, usually in the downswing, to help square the face. How much you need depends on your grip strength.

 

There are a ton of TouTube videos about it - glad you discovered it. 

I have found that when your grip is at the proper "strength" for you, none is needed. Still ot to make a good swing though.

 

BT