AMG Driver Video

[golf-RN]

I am of the opinion that there is not a "one size fits all" approach because every golfer and golf swing is different. Now, a lot of golfers have a lot of the same issues that cause a lot of the bad things to happen in the BS and DS, but there are a ton of ways to get to a bad spot. I am 52, self-taught (90's Golf Digest, Golf Monthly, etc.) and have been playing for almost 30 years. I am the guy that people say "I can't believe you have bad scores with such a good-looking swing". I do a lot of really good things, but I also have A LOT of ingrained bad habits that I have spent the better part of a year and a half trying to correct. Even though I am in excellent shape and just as strong as I was in my 20's and 30's, I cannot compensate as well as I used to do which necessitated a change. I have read this site for at least 15 years although I just formally registered not long ago because I am taking my game more seriously and I want to improve. And from here, I have found invaluable content from Monte, AMG, Porzak, and @Valtiel and others that has made a tremendous difference in my swing. However, not everything they put out pertained to me, but I have the ability to discern the parts I needed and what I didn't. I guess what I am trying to say is that while the internet, YouTube, Instagram, etc. are all excellent resources you have to be able use what you need and what works for you, and what doesn't, you disregard. You have to eat the chicken and spit out the bone. Just because you do not agree with someone's philosophy and approach to the golf swing doesn't mean that philosophy and approach won't work for someone else.

[aenemated]

This thread has it all. 

 

A+++++++ Would read again. 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 8/28/2023 at 9:06 AM, virtuoso said:

A great piece of info is the act of shifting back to the left without triggering forward rotation....and super advanced is slight continued hip wind up as you fall back toward the target. You never, ever see an amateur doing that. Ever.

Ever?

 

[virtuoso]

13 hours ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

Ever?

 

Well, you’d see it in some scratch-ish and college level arms, but not your typical recreational amateurs. This is pretty close to the move I’m talking about:

 

[getitdaily]

@virtuoso

@MonteScheinblum

 

Interesting discussion. As it related to "upper body" vs "lower body"...

 

How do each relate to vertical and lateral forces? Is an upper body person more naturally vertical...or needs to be? Is a lower body person more naturally lateral..or needs to be?

 

I've always been an upper. But I've worked my butt off the last 9 months to rotate better and that meant reducing lateral...I've watched a lot of ground force stuff and have been focusing a lot on applying more pressure into my feet and using my legs more...but not laterally. This equates, to me, to being a lower body person. I still need to incorporate more lower body lowering in transition. The upper body lowering I toyed with just seems to be a bit off. 

 

So, if someone resolves EE via better ground force motion, have they shifted to lower body? Or, are they still upper body but, by getting more lower involved, have evolved to the "mid" that monte talks about?

Edited September 4, 2023 by getitdaily

[virtuoso]

32 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

@virtuoso

@MonteScheinblum

 

Interesting discussion. As it related to "upper body" vs "lower body"...

 

How do each relate to vertical and lateral forces? Is an upper body person more naturally vertical...or needs to be? Is a lower body person more naturally lateral..or needs to be?

 

I've always been an upper. But I've worked my butt off the last 9 months to rotate better and that meant reducing lateral...I've watched a lot of ground force stuff and have been focusing a lot on applying more pressure into my feet and using my legs more...but not laterally. This equates, to me, to being a lower body person. I still need to incorporate more lower body lowering in transition. The upper body lowering I toyed with just seems to be a bit off. 

 

So, if someone resolves EE via better ground force motion, have they shifted to lower body? Or, are they still upper body but, by getting more lower involved, have evolved to the "mid" that monte talks about?

Those are good questions, but that’s a big topic, and this thread has now veered pretty far off the AMG driver vid. Maybe start a new thread and I’m happy to give my opinion on that stuff.

[Golfbeat]

Is this lower, core or upper?

 

 

 

[virtuoso]

1 hour ago, Golfbeat said:

Is this lower, core or upper?

 

 

 

I don’t know what core he is but the tv commentators are wrong about why his feet do what they do.

[coops]

15 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

I don’t know what core he is but the tv commentators are wrong about why his feet do what they do.

 

That "analysis" is just embarassing - "unusual, but ihas been used before"... lol, no kidding - see below

 

Rummaged arond on youtube for this old Bradley Hughes video on footwork... 

GIf of the footwork of some  - 

 

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, Golfbeat said:

Is this lower, core or upper?

 

 

 

Not upper….lol.

 

 

[Albatross Dreamer]

4 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Not upper….lol.

 

 

It sorta almost looks like a workaround someone with less than ideal lead hip IR would do as well. By being able to turn the hips in the air it would allow someone to get to the same finish without the same stress on the knee or needing the same mobility. I'm not saying that's the case with Scottie as I have no first hand knowledge and obviously that's not why he's leaving the ground in the first place. But it was an interesting observation, especially since many/most ams lack hip IR/ER.

[virtuoso]

1 hour ago, coops said:

 

That "analysis" is just embarassing - "unusual, but ihas been used before"... lol, no kidding - see below

 

Rummaged arond on youtube for this old Bradley Hughes video on footwork... 

GIf of the footwork of some  - 

 

 

 

Yeah, the reason Scheffler has his right foot skid back is because he has shifted a lot of his weight onto his left foot through lateral motion and then when he enters the rotational phase there is very little friction under the right foot, so it skids back. The commentators say he is trying to keep his right hip back—it’s literally the opposite.

 

He has an old school pivot with lots of lateral and late rotation. The new era players have much earlier rotation and more vertical, so these days you see less right foot skid/drag but a lot of left foot jumping. Not as much left foot ankle rolling.

[MK7Golf21]

25 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Yeah, the reason Scheffler has his right foot skid back is because he has shifted a lot of his weight onto his left foot through lateral motion and then when he enters the rotational phase there is very little friction under the right foot, so it skids back. The commentators say he is trying to keep his right hip back—it’s literally the opposite.

 

He has an old school pivot with lots of lateral and late rotation. The new era players have much earlier rotation and more vertical, so these days you see less right foot skid/drag but a lot of left foot jumping. Not as much left foot ankle rolling.

 

I think you and the commentators are both right and I think it's something he developed trying to get rid of EE as well. Before the tour he struggled with across the line and EE. I know when I try to keep my right hip back, my right foot tends to slide back a lot. 

[KD1]

39 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

The commentators say he is trying to keep his right hip back—it’s literally the opposite.

 

IDK, it makes sense to me. The commentators reasoning is exactly why my foot does that on occasion. But I'm a crappy golfer so... I'm biased. But what I see his his right heel and knee initially moving in the direction of the ball rather than his foot banking toward the target. If I don't redirect that right knee somehow it's going to encroach on my hand path on the down swing. My pressure shifts need a lot of work so I don't actually see the foot move often, but on the days where my shifts are working better it'll slide back. OR if I happen to find myself swinging on grass covered in morning dew and no spikes I'll damn near fall over on the first swing 🙂

Edited September 8, 2023 by KD1

[Zitlow]

The right heel is unweighted freeing up the right leg which is pulled by the right hip. Lock the right heel to the ground it won't happen. 

 

 

 

[Golf_Goof]

Yes - kind of hard to fire the hip toward the ball if the foot is mostly unloaded. 

[KD1]

18 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

 

Exhibit A for "feels aren't real". We're talking about his foot sliding backwards away from the ball, he's talking about pulling it toward the target. Around 30 seconds he said moving back was a "weird direction". His foot is moving in the opposite direction the right hip would simply pull it, he's kicking it back.

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by KD1

[Zitlow]

Scottie said he's loading into his right side. 

 

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

It’s not a mystery.  All good players put that force on the ground and when you unweight the right side early there’s no resistance.  Just like the video I posted of champ on the 13th at Augusta in the pine straw.