I cant stand golfing when I have to wait

[Newby]

On 9/15/2023 at 2:36 AM, Shilgy said:

Same as any other group is correct….if the course is full even if the single can play faster he has no right to play through.

He has. If he is playing a whole round and the group ahead is playing a shorter round.

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

When its a full booked out tee time. I've witness clubhouses allow singles to go out. At that point do you get mad at the single or the clubhouse? If singles are allowed out. It's definitely a clubhouse issue. But what can you do at that point? Express your concern? Does it really matter at that point? Is the clubhouse even gonna care how you feel? 

[North Texas]

13 minutes ago, Newby said:

If the single hadn't been there your, four would simply move one slot forward and still be waiting for the group that was holding up the single player. How does that help the flow?

 

Because it is not a given that the 2nd foursome will be held up by the 1st foursome. They will likely be playing at roughly the same pace with little hit and wait involved. 

 

But it is a given that the single will be held up by a foursome. That is indisputable. And as soon as the single starts having to wait, the foursome behind them will catch up to that single and begin to have to wait as well. And that will slowly work it's way back through the following groups. I have seen this happen countless on a Saturday morning at the course I play. 

 

Now, the time it takes to actually play the round will be about the same in both cases. But with a single in there, it will add more hit and wait to the round for the single and everyone behind them. 

[Shilgy]

29 minutes ago, Newby said:

He has. If he is playing a whole round and the group ahead is playing a shorter round.

How does that matter if the course is full?

[mshills]

22 minutes ago, I'_rather_be_golfing said:

When its a full booked out tee time. I've witness clubhouses allow singles to go out. At that point do you get mad at the single or the clubhouse? If singles are allowed out. It's definitely a clubhouse issue. But what can you do at that point? Express your concern? Does it really matter at that point? Is the clubhouse even gonna care how you feel? 

 

This makes me crazy.  Most of it is on the course.  If the tee sheet is full, you have to pair those singles up.  If the singles don't like it, tough, get some friends.  But to your point, the course isn't going to care if another customer complains.

 

I play as a single at the last minute all the time and I ask to be paired up unless the course is deserted and there's no one to pair up with.  Several courses have been surprised by this.  One even told me "we won't do that to you, you booked as a single you want to play by yourself, right?"  Not at all.  I want whatever makes the tee sheet make the most sense, so pair me up.

[betarhoalphadelta]

29 minutes ago, North Texas said:

 

Because it is not a given that the 2nd foursome will be held up by the 1st foursome. They will likely be playing at roughly the same pace with little hit and wait involved. 

 

But it is a given that the single will be held up by a foursome. That is indisputable. And as soon as the single starts having to wait, the foursome behind them will catch up to that single and begin to have to wait as well. And that will slowly work it's way back through the following groups. I have seen this happen countless on a Saturday morning at the course I play. 

 

Now, the time it takes to actually play the round will be about the same in both cases. But with a single in there, it will add more hit and wait to the round for the single and everyone behind them. 

 

I'm very confused by all of this. I see two scenarios:

1. Foursome #2 plays at the same pace as Foursome #1. There is a single between the foursomes. 
2. Foursome #2 is faster than Foursome #1. There is a single between the foursomes.

In the first scenario, I don't see how the single somehow makes the foursome wait more. In fact, the foursome should be waiting less. Without a single between, Foursome #2 will be waiting on the green to clear for Foursome #1 to hit their approach shots. Four players, all putting (out?) four balls. Foursome #2 will be approaching the green and putting out while Foursome #1 hits their tee shots and walks down the fairway. Then when Foursome #2 is on the tee, they will need to wait for all four players in Foursome #1 to hit (possibly who are waiting for the green to clear for Foursome #0). If a single is between them, at most they need to wait for ONE player on the green to putt out before playing their (4) approaches, and only wait for ONE player on the next tee to hit his/her approach before they tee off their own four balls. Seems a single would cause less waiting for the foursome behind. 

 

Now, in the second scenario, it's true that Foursome #2 will spend a lot of time waiting. But that's not the single's fault. They'd spend equal time waiting for Foursome #1 if they were stuck behind them individually. But that's due to them being faster players than Foursome #1. If there was another foursome between Foursome #2 and Foursome #1, it would still be Foursome #1's pace that was slowing down Foursome #2, but they'd likely be waiting MORE than if it was a single between, as they would need to wait for four players to hit approaches, four players to putt out, etc etc. 

 

Note: I also don't think courses should allow singles or twosomes to book on busy days with the expectation that they won't be paired up if there are people willing to book those extra spots. But in a scenario where perhaps the single booked the last open spot in a foursome, shows up to the course, and the threesome he was supposed to be paired with no-shows, there's not much that the single nor the course can do. He paid for his tee time so it's not right for them to move him back to a later tee time just to pair him up, unless he's agreeable to the later time. 

[Newby]

1 hour ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

I see two scenarios:

1. Foursome #2 plays at the same pace as Foursome #1. There is a single between the foursomes. 
2. Foursome #2 is faster than Foursome #1. There is a single between the foursomes.

 

 

 

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The 1st scenario is exactly what I was meaning. I just didn't expect to have to spell it out.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Newby

[kiwigolf72]

I think when you play as a single you just need to realize that the rest of the field will be playing slower than you, no big deal you just need to get over it and move on. Play a couple of balls, ask if you can play through if that's an option, skip a hole etc, whining about other people playing slow just makes you look like a dick.

As a single you can't expect every single group to just get out of the way

Edited September 19, 2023 by kiwigolf72
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[Carl Spackler3]

On 9/13/2023 at 10:38 PM, black bnr32 said:

I dunno man, I think a simple 9 hole par 3 courses is where little old ladies should be enjoying golf.  You picked the wrong course.

I think I’m in agreement with this cat.  Exec.. Courses is where I want beginners to be and not out on real courses til they’re ready

[tatertot]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:48 AM, North Texas said:

 

Because it is not a given that the 2nd foursome will be held up by the 1st foursome. They will likely be playing at roughly the same pace with little hit and wait involved. 

 

But it is a given that the single will be held up by a foursome. That is indisputable. And as soon as the single starts having to wait, the foursome behind them will catch up to that single and begin to have to wait as well. And that will slowly work it's way back through the following groups. I have seen this happen countless on a Saturday morning at the course I play. 

 

Now, the time it takes to actually play the round will be about the same in both cases. But with a single in there, it will add more hit and wait to the round for the single and everyone behind them. 

But the single could be a foursome ... The single is just another group, the fact it's a single doesn't make it worse. What makes it worse is there are 3 "groups" instead of 2 ... Of course 2 groups will go around the course faster than 3. To think a single instead of a foursome slows down the course is crazy.

[efduffer]

On 9/14/2023 at 7:42 AM, BHI 99 said:

Singles do nothing to decrease pace of play. 

This is true. Singles usually have a faster (increased) pace of play.

Still don't understand what that has to do with the incorrect understanding that a single has no standing. They have as much right to be on the course as any other group.

[Schulzmc]

10 hours ago, efduffer said:

Still don't understand what that has to do with the incorrect understanding that a single has no standing. They have as much right to be on the course as any other group.

I agree - they have just as much right to be on the course. What they do not have is the right to play a 2.5 hour round when every other group is playing a 4 hour round. I have no problem with a single going out on, say, a Friday afternoon. But to expect 12 foursomes to let you play through is unrealistic.

[mshills]

40 minutes ago, Schulzmc said:

I agree - they have just as much right to be on the course. What they do not have is the right to play a 2.5 hour round when every other group is playing a 4 hour round. I have no problem with a single going out on, say, a Friday afternoon. But to expect 12 foursomes to let you play through is unrealistic.

 

Exactly.  If a single wants to roll out in 2 hours, cool, but you'd better play when the course is not busy.  Multiple groups can't be expected to part like the Red Sea to let this guy through.  I play a lot as a single and enjoy being paired up.  If that's not possible, I'm not going to be shooting chili peppers up someone's ___ or expecting to sail through group after group, that's just not realistic and is pretty silly.

 

If the course is busy, the course should avoid the above issue and force the pair up whenever possible.  A group of 3 cannot reject a single, nor can the single reject getting paired up.

[BHI 99]

Exactly the point. If a single expects to play through every group, then it slows the pace for every group, which slows the course. “No standing” has nothing to do with a persons “right to play”. “No standing” means you’re not “entitled” to play through a group on pace and the group isn’t obligated to invite. In general groups will ask the single through because most are polite and nobody likes a single on their tail anyway. As was said earlier, most courses won’t and shouldn’t give a single a tee time on a stacked sheet. 
 

[tatertot]

51 minutes ago, BHI 99 said:

Exactly the point. If a single expects to play through every group, then it slows the pace for every group, which slows the course. “No standing” has nothing to do with a persons “right to play”. “No standing” means you’re not “entitled” to play through a group on pace and the group isn’t obligated to invite. In general groups will ask the single through because most are polite and nobody likes a single on their tail anyway. As was said earlier, most courses won’t and shouldn’t give a single a tee time on a stacked sheet. 
 

This isn't rocket science ... if you have a hole open, you let a faster group play through. If there are no openings, there is no playing through. No other explanations needed.

[Warrior42111]

24 minutes ago, tatertot said:

This isn't rocket science ... if you have a hole open, you let a faster group play through. If there are no openings, there is no playing through. No other explanations needed.

Knock of the commonsense this is the thunderdome of an internet forum. 

[BHI 99]

20 hours ago, tatertot said:

This isn't rocket science ... if you have a hole open, you let a faster group play through. If there are no openings, there is no playing through. No other explanations needed.

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