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On 9/28/2023 at 4:20 AM, mvhoffman said:

As we all know, over the past few years driver technology has faded.  They can't be made bigger.  There's all sorts of specialty materials being used now.  Ultimately when you buy a new driver it will essentially go "longer" because of the material management adding more stability.

 

If you could choose an "old" driver for companies to bring back and revamp with today's technology, what would it be?

 

I would love to see the 2016 Nike Vapor Fly be brought from the dead with some different materials adding stability to make it more playable today and be able to stand up to today's drivers.


It's funny that you mention the Vapor drivers straight off the bat as they were such a design blunder that i'm still curious about them today. It was 2016 and it seemed to be pretty clear what the future of driver design was going to be thanks to modern launch monitor data/research and multi material tech. Getting CG down out of the upper half of the face and back far enough to balance forgiveness and spin was where EVERYONE started heading. Every single "bigger" release that got and kept attention went this way, and Nike just straight up left the chat and released both one of the highest CG drivers in the modern era in one of the ugliest colorways. It was to the point that internal engineering and corporate sabotage made more sense than a room full of smart people thinking that a cavity back driver that removes weight from where everyone else was trying to add it was a good idea 😆

People calling for the return of super deep face drivers are asking for something similar from a design standpoint, because the deeper the face the higher and more forward the CG will be vs. an identical driver with a shallower face, and the progressive march towards moving CG lower and further back has been one of the big performance related advancements in modern drivers. 

 

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Titleist TSi3 9* Tensei AV White 65TX 2.0 // Taylormade SIM 10.5* Ventus TR Blue 6TX
Taylormade Qi10 15* Tensei AV White 85TX 1.0 // Taylormade Stealth+ 16* Ventus Black 8x
Callaway Apex UW 19* Ventus Black 8x // Srixon ZX Utility MKII 19* Nippon GOST Prototype Hybrid 10
Callaway X-Forged Single♦️  22* Nippon GOST Tour X  // Bridgestone J15 CB 4i Raw Nippon GOST Tour X
Bridgestone 
J15 CB 5i-6i 26*- 30* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 6.8-7.0
Bridgestone J40 CB 7i-PW 34*- 46* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
Vokey SM9 50* Raw F-Grind Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0

Taylormade Milled Grind Raw 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
Vokey SM6 59* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
Scotty Cameron Newport Tour Red Dot // Taylormade Spider X Navy Slant

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King LTD, but for real this time. With an updated space port etc... 

Driver: Callaway Paradym TD -  Autoflex SF505X

3 Wood: Taylormade Sim2 Ti  - TourAD VR 7S

2 Srixon ZX Utility -  Mitsubishi MMT 105s

4 Hybrid: Titelist TSi2 - Kuro Kage 60s

PW-5:  Titelist T150 - Mitsubishi MMT 105s

Wedges: Titelist SM9 50,55,60  -  Mitsubishi MMT 105s

Putter: Evnroll ER2

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Not too bothered about any of the older drivers coming back, but wouldn't mind Ping bringing back the Rapture. I would be keen on seeing the return of the TP Line from Taylormade though.  

Driver = Callaway Smoke-Ai Max-D 

3 wood = Callaway Smoke-Ai Max HL

3 Hybrid = Tour Edge Exotics C722
Irons = 4-PW Miura KM 700
Gap Wedge = Miura HB 50*

Sand Wedge = Taylormade MG2 56*

Putter = LAB DF3

Ball = TP5x pix 

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42 minutes ago, manima1 said:

I cannot believe there are 3 pages here and not a single mention of the GOAT... the 2016 OG M2.  Would love to see how that head would perform with a carbon face 

I don't think that there are many drivers that can even touch that driver to this day.  I think that is what most companies are trying to get to.

 

Driver:    2021 Cobra Rad Speed Peacote 9* w Kuro Kage 60g Silver TiNi Dual-Core Shaft 

Fairway Woods: 2014 Adams Tight Lies 14° 3 Wood w Kuro Kage 65g Shaft tipped 1 inch

                           2015 Adams Tight Lies 22° 7 Wood w Kuro Kage 65g Shaft tipped 1 inch

Irons:  2016 Nike Vapor Fly 4-AW   

 Wedges:  2017 Cleveland CBX 56°& 60°wedge              
Shafts:  Matrix Ozik Program F15 85S Graphite Shafts 4i - 60°

Grips:   Superstroke S-Tech + 2 Wraps
Putter:  Gamer -  2020 Odyssey Stroke Lab 7s Black w Superstroke Claw 1.0 grip at 35in.

             Backup - Custom Built Bastain Milled Prototype w Px 6.0 shaft and Lamkin Deep Etched Cord Grip at 33in.

                           Ball:  Taylor Made 21' Rocketballz            Bag:  Ogio Fuse Whiskey            Glove: MG Dyna-Grip Elite             Current Shoes: True Linkswear Motion phx

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I have 2 Epic Speed Triple Diamond LS heads on the back-up/emergency shelf. Have bought and sold several times, finally just hung on to 2 clean heads. For a people that need to kill spin, these are amazing. These are wayyy more durable that the Paradyms. Please bring back (higher %) titanium body drivers, with front & rear weight adjustment

 

TSR4 8*, Accra RPG 362 M5 & Ventus Red 7x

Sim Rocket 14*, Accra TZ6 75 M5

790 2i UDI (2021), Accra TZ5 105 M5

Srixon ZX7 4 - PW, Modus 120 TX

Callaway JAWS 50, 54, 60,  x100 DG

1/1 Lajosi DD-201 WB, Stability Tour blackout 

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2 favorite drivers of all time, and I still have them. 

 

1. Titleist 975D 9.5 with DG S300 playing 43.5" 

2. Bridgestone J40 430 9.5 with the original Diamana Blueboard 93X playing 44" 

 

The Titleist may be a bit more difficult to bring back with today's tech, but the Bridgestone would be a monster which an AI face and adjustable hosel. I know Bridgestone had a few adjustable drivers and I have the J715, but nothing compares to the way the J40 430 felt and controlled the ball flight. 

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1 hour ago, MagicMan79 said:

I have 2 Epic Speed Triple Diamond LS heads on the back-up/emergency shelf. Have bought and sold several times, finally just hung on to 2 clean heads. For a people that need to kill spin, these are amazing. These are wayyy more durable that the Paradyms. Please bring back (higher %) titanium body drivers, with front & rear weight adjustment

 

 

I believe word on the street is that Cobras 2024 driver is all titanium, IIRC

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TE C722 - Maltby TS3 - Maltby TSW - Wilson Windy City

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Ping i15.

Also, I remember a Precept Driver from the mid-90's that belonged to a buddy of mine. I hit it once and it was spectacular.  

Driver: Taylormade Qi10LS, Fujikura Ventus TR Black 6X. (Fit by Truespec North Georgia 2024)

3W: Taylormade Sim Max, Accra FX 2.0 200 M3. (Fit by Club Champion Atlanta 2019)

2I: Ping iCrossover, Fujikura Axiom 105X. (Self-fit 2024)

4I-PW: Callaway Rogue ST Pro, Fujikura Axiom 105X. (Self-fit 2023)

Wedges: 47, 51, 59 Edison Forged, Mitsubishi MMT 125 TX. (Self-fit 2021)

Putter: LAB Golf DF 2.1 (Self-fit 2022)

Ball: Chromesoft X (Fit by Ping's Ballnamic system).

Bag: MNML.

Cart: Foresight Sports ForeCaddy Smart Cart.

Shoes: Asics Gel Kayano Ace.

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I have been thinking about old drivers I used to use.  I had a Cobra LD driver from 2008 that was absolutely a bomber for me.  I used the regular and the offset and had great success with the offset model.  It was a great driver for me back then.  I had the shaft break for me mid swing and it was never the same.  No matter what shaft I put in it (even the stock option that was in it) it just never worked out.  It looked ugly as sh*t and sounded even worse but was a great addition in the bag back then.

Driver:    2021 Cobra Rad Speed Peacote 9* w Kuro Kage 60g Silver TiNi Dual-Core Shaft 

Fairway Woods: 2014 Adams Tight Lies 14° 3 Wood w Kuro Kage 65g Shaft tipped 1 inch

                           2015 Adams Tight Lies 22° 7 Wood w Kuro Kage 65g Shaft tipped 1 inch

Irons:  2016 Nike Vapor Fly 4-AW   

 Wedges:  2017 Cleveland CBX 56°& 60°wedge              
Shafts:  Matrix Ozik Program F15 85S Graphite Shafts 4i - 60°

Grips:   Superstroke S-Tech + 2 Wraps
Putter:  Gamer -  2020 Odyssey Stroke Lab 7s Black w Superstroke Claw 1.0 grip at 35in.

             Backup - Custom Built Bastain Milled Prototype w Px 6.0 shaft and Lamkin Deep Etched Cord Grip at 33in.

                           Ball:  Taylor Made 21' Rocketballz            Bag:  Ogio Fuse Whiskey            Glove: MG Dyna-Grip Elite             Current Shoes: True Linkswear Motion phx

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Ahhhhhh, nostalgia. Isn't it wonderful ?

 

At least in movies. About all I watch nowadaze are movies from the 30s and 40s. :classic_laugh:

 

But drivers ? No chance.

 

While I have some fond memories of my TM Tour Burner, Titleist 983K, and Rapture V2, none of them can touch my current Epic Flash SZ w/Ventus Blue.

 

Then again, at some point, my EFSZ will be a "bring it back" driver,,,,,,,, if it isn't already. oops.gif

Callaway Epic Flash SZ 10.5 Ventus Blue 6S

Ping G425 14.5 Fairway Tour AD TP 6X

Ping G425 MAX 20.5 7 wood Diamana Blue 70 S

Ping G20 5-PW DGS300 Yellow Dot

Ping Glide Pro 48*

Taylormade MG3 52*, 56*, TW 60* DGS200

LAB Mezz Max 35*, RED, Black Accra

Callaway Tour TruTrack Yellow

 

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On 9/28/2023 at 7:39 PM, DoughBack18 said:

Maybe not in a driver, but definitely in a fairway wood or hybrid. That copper was sick. 
 

983K remake would be a good one, would also love modern tech in an old PT style Titleist head. 
 

Don’t burn me at the stake here, but I also wonder what the square headed drivers would perform like in 2023. If they could get the sound ironed out and the ball speeds in line with a conventional shape, i’d be curious if that could ever get some traction. Just felt like too many negatives to outweigh the positives when these were out 15+ years ago.

I’d love to see one shaped like the 983K. Throw in the purple and gold ProForce and I’m in. 

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The one that I still play:  Adams 9015D.

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Adams A12 Pro Black 5-9PW Steelfiber i95
Adams CB2 GW Steelfiber i95
Vokey SM6 Black 54 S-Grind Steelfiber i110 CW
Vokey Oil Can 58 V-Grind Kuro Kage TiNi 105
Scotty Cameron Pro Plat Newport Mil Spec

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20 hours ago, Philfil said:

Cleveland Classic XL!

 

DEEP face!!!

 

 

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I included this in mine as well...I still have two very minty heads with adapters in the garage for a rainy day.

Bag stolen...we shall rebuild!  We have rebuilt!

Razr Fit Xtreme 10.5 Miyazaki JDL

Razr Fit Xtreme 4 wood Aldila Trinity

Searching for a Hybrid

Maltby DBM 4-PW Recoil Prototype 125's

52-56-60 Cleveland Tour Van Forged Modus 120 S

Old AF TM Spider 

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My heart says the Lynx BOOM BOOM, it was the first driver I ever truly loved, but my brain says modernize the 905R. The shape was just so good

Titleist TSi3 8º - LAGP DJ 65-6
Titleist TSi3 15º - LAGP TourAxs Blue 
Mizuno Pro 225 2i - C-TaperL
Mizuno Pro 245  5-P C-Taper 
Mizuno T22  47°, 52º, 56º, 60º C-Taper

Scotty Studio Select Newport 2.6
Titleist Left Dash -ProV1x

 

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Titleist 905s. Played that driver for 10 years and held its own till the very end. Favorite driver I’ve ever played. 

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Titleist TSi3 8* with Tensei AV Raw White 65X
Titleist 915 Fd 15 with diamana d+80X
Titleist 918H2 18* with Tensei CK White 90X
Titleist ap2 716 4-gw with Amt x100
Vokey sm9 54, 58 with Amt x100

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