Left Dash ProV1X

[tgarit1]

Can y'all share your experiences with this ball?  I have recently been using it and have notice a considerable gain in distance off the tee.  Cannot really speak on wedge spin/green side performance.  

[phizzy30]

It's exactly as advertised.  High launch/low spin.  It's in my rotation of balls that includes CTX, TP5x and Vice Pro Plus.  As you can see I like higher launch balls that don't spin too much.  I'd say left dash and TP5x are the longest outta the bunch.  However, left dash and Pro Plus are the lowest spinning in terms of green side spin.  As a result I have to account for more rollout compared to the other balls.  Left dash is a good all around performer however lacks the durability that the other balls provide. 

Edited March 4 by phizzy30

[tgarit1]

So you have found it to scuff easily after full wedge shots?

[phizzy30]

Just now, tgarit1 said:

So you have found it to scuff easily after full wedge shots?

Yes.  They never last more than a round for me. 

[MattM97]

ProV1X flight and feel with lower spin is the easiest way to put it. 

 

I enjoy this ball, played it a bit last year, in contention for me as my gamer ball in 2024. Limiting factors are the height that it flies, cost and maybe durability but I had decent success in my experience. 

[Pepperturbo]

I have been playing DASH -ProV1x for maybe two years.  Played ProV1x before, and still do now and again, but DASH is the better ball for my game.  It's longer due to LOW SPIN and a bit lower trajectory compared to its little brother ProV1x; it's also x-firm = 102+ compression which has a unique sound when I smack it good. 

 

Haven't had any issues with its cover, and I smack the ball pretty hard, still.  A ball lasts me maybe 3–4 rounds before its cover looks worn.  Because I hit the ball solid and mostly straight, cut marks are few and far between. 

 

Around fast greens, it spins plenty off irons and wedges, dances like its brother.  However, the problem I've seen with a few friends trying it; they don't hit it hard enough to make it dance into greens. 

 

 

Edited March 4 by Pepperturbo

[North Texas]

Pretty close to the same experience as @Pepperturbo.

 

Not a big hitter at all as I'm only around 90 mph with the driver and have been playing ProV1x for years. Been using the Left Dash for almost a year now. Off the driver it spins less for me, the ball flight is a tad lower, and I hit it 10 yards farther, give or take, than the ProV1x. I also don't balloon it near as much as I do the ProV1x. 

 

Iron distance is probably plus half a club as well. Spin around the greens is probably less but it's really not been a big deal at all. Don't have any scuffing issues whatsoever probably due to my lower swing speed. 

 

 

[SBH9458]

Left dash is my gamer. Concur with others… performs as advertised, with spin the right places for me.  No problem checking a wedge or scoring iron at all. I tried others, but have come back each time. 2024… decision made for me.  Left dash. 

[TNwanabe]

I would but they do not make it in yellow. Someday. I am hopeful. Dash is awesome.

[akronswitness]

For those who have used it, how does it compare to the CSX LS? Especially in terms of wedge spinning around the green

[AusGolf22]

Long time LD fan and user - whilst I'm always intrigued by new offerings/marginal gains with other balls, LD is the safest bet I've had in many years. I'm still swinging pretty quick so I think I get maximum value from it, particularly in the surprisingly appreciable approach/ATG spin I get despite it's low spin characteristics. Just a great ball if you need less spin in the long game in particular. 

 

I am perhaps most interested by reviews for Chrome Tour, which some have said is a slightly softer-feeling LD type of ball. 

[phizzy30]

Just now, akronswitness said:

For those who have used it, how does it compare to the CSX LS? Especially in terms of wedge spinning around the green

Which CSX LS?  Left dash spins more around the greens compared to the 1st gen.  It spins slightly less than the 2nd gen CSX LS though. 

[phizzy30]

Just now, AusGolf22 said:

Long time LD fan and user - whilst I'm always intrigued by new offerings/marginal gains with other balls, LD is the safest bet I've had in many years. I'm still swinging pretty quick so I think I get maximum value from it, particularly in the surprisingly appreciable approach/ATG spin I get despite it's low spin characteristics. Just a great ball if you need less spin in the long game in particular. 

 

I am perhaps most interested by reviews for Chrome Tour, which some have said is a slightly softer-feeling LD type of ball. 

Chrome Tour is the closest thing to the 1st gen CSX LS in terms of performance/launch/spin and it's pretty close to left dash.  Softer than both of course.  CT had the fastest ball speeds followed by CSX LS and left dash which were both a wash. 

Edited March 5 by phizzy30

[robzgolf]

6 hours ago, tgarit1 said:

Can y'all share your experiences with this ball?  I have recently been using it and have notice a considerable gain in distance off the tee.  Cannot really speak on wedge spin/green side performance.  

they go far AF and I can't chip with them worth a damn lol

[StoutKing]

2 hours ago, robzgolf said:

they go far AF and I can't chip with them worth a damn lol

Agree they are super long but for some reason I am not as good with them on short game shots including putting.  It doesn't make any sense but the regular x is easier to putt.

[AusGolf22]

5 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Chrome Tour is the closest thing to the 1st gen CSX LS in terms of performance/launch/spin and it's pretty close to left dash.  Softer than both of course.  CT had the fastest ball speeds followed by CSX LS and left dash which were both a wash. 

Softer with similar performance sounds like I’m about to drop a few pretty pennies on a box of Tours! 

[phizzy30]

7 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Agree they are super long but for some reason I am not as good with them on short game shots including putting.  It doesn't make any sense but the regular x is easier to putt.

Probably a feel thing when it comes to putting.  Left dash is one of the firmest balls on the market which can throw some off in terms of distance control with putter. 

[robzgolf]

is anyone still spinning wedges at 10K with the left dash? I feel like you need to be averaging 130 club speed to play this ball

[phizzy30]

Just now, robzgolf said:

is anyone still spinning wedges at 10K with the left dash? I feel like you need to be averaging 130 club speed to play this ball

I'm 118-120 ss and don't have an issue with wedge spin with left dash.  It normally bounces twice and stops with wedges unless I'm hitting outta thick rough. 

[North Texas]

50 minutes ago, robzgolf said:

is anyone still spinning wedges at 10K with the left dash? I feel like you need to be averaging 130 club speed to play this ball

 

Like I said in my above post, my driver swing speed is around 90 mph. For me, the trade-off of an added 10 yards off the driver that I get with the Left Dash was worth a little less spin with the wedges and around the greens. 

[B_of_H]

I think the current v1x is actually closer to the left dash than it was on the 2021 model.  I played the left dash for 3 months and would have continued but I have a lot of v1x's from my coaching job so I switched.  I notice a slight difference in carry distance and all in all MAYBE 3-4 yards on drivers and fairway woods total distance.  with the 2021 v1x this difference was more like 3-4 yards on irons and 5-7 yards off the tee.  The one big difference that doesn't seem to get talked about is that the left dash is more flier prone out of the rough.  If I had a marginally 'flier' lie with the left dash I had to be a lot more careful not to blow an iron or wedge over a green.  If I did catch a flier that would most likely go to the back of the green on a v1x the same shot with the left dash might go 5+ yards further for example. I think that is among the reasons why so many pros have gone back to the v1x from the left dash.  Charlie Hoffman said the left dash is a 'trackman ball' (the data is awesome but there is more to golf than numbers on a launch monitor).  That being said I'd still be happy to play it, its one of the great balls of all time for sure. 

[grochol17]

3 hours ago, robzgolf said:

is anyone still spinning wedges at 10K with the left dash? I feel like you need to be averaging 130 club speed to play this ball

 

I did a Titleist ball fitting about a month ago and was getting over 10k spin on full swings with my 53* wedge.  I think my driver speed that day maxed out at 107 mph.

[Pepperturbo]

15 hours ago, akronswitness said:

For those who have used it, how does it compare to the CSX LS? Especially in terms of wedge spinning around the green

A while back, I tested LS, didn't like it from the first strike, lasted about 4 holes, it was shorter.  Spin was about the same, that wasn't the issue, just didn't feel right, gave the sleeve away.  Go figure, I like Chromesoft X, but not enough to change.

 

Side note, increasing spin of any ball is more about how your club head impacts the ball.  

 

@B_of_H Never had flier issues with Dash from the rough.  It behaves about the same as ProV1x or last year's AVX from junk; AVX is my cold or rainy weather ball.

Edited March 5 by Pepperturbo

[akronswitness]

8 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

A while back, I tested LS, didn't like it from the first strike, lasted about 4 holes, it was shorter.  Spin was about the same, that wasn't the issue, just didn't feel right, gave the sleeve away.  Go figure, I like Chromesoft X, but not enough to change.

 

Side note, increasing spin of any ball is more about how your club head impacts the ball.  

 

@B_of_H Never had flier issues with Dash from the rough.  It behaves about the same as ProV1x or last year's AVX from junk; AVX is my cold or rainy weather ball.

 

Gotcha, I have a fade to my shot so its helped me a lot keeping fades just fades and nothing more. Ive always been interested in trying out different balls because I could use something that could dance on the green a bit more with my wedges. Im just afraid to get away from LS balls (Like left dash) in general because of how much they help reduce the damage on mishits off the tee. 

 

 

 

 

[grochol17]

2 hours ago, akronswitness said:

 

Gotcha, I have a fade to my shot so its helped me a lot keeping fades just fades and nothing more. Ive always been interested in trying out different balls because I could use something that could dance on the green a bit more with my wedges. Im just afraid to get away from LS balls (Like left dash) in general because of how much they help reduce the damage on mishits off the tee.

 

I wouldn't use this as a determining factor in picking a ball because it isn't really a thing.  The spin difference between a Pro V1x and the left dash is maybe a couple hundred RPMs.  For a fade or a draw, the spin axis of the ball isn't tilted much, so only a small fraction of the total spin goes into side spin, which means that only a tiny fraction of the spin difference between the two goes into curvature difference.  Switching between a V1x and the left dash might change your fade spin by a few 10s of RPMs, which is negligible in terms of distance offline.

 

I quickly fed my launch numbers into the flightscope trajectory optimizer and set it for a 10y fade with a ball that has a total spin of 2500 RPMs.  If I switch to a ball with 3000 RPMs total spin, that 10y fade becomes a 10.6y fade.  Going the other way, to a 2000 RPM spin rate, the fade is now 9.2y.  So on the extreme ends of spin off the driver for premium balls, the ball choice is only making a difference of 1.4y on a 10 yard fade.  I think for most people, the variance in how they deliver the driver to the ball is causing way more than a 1.4y spread in where the ball goes.

 

The caveat here is that the trajectory optimizer doesn't include the aerodynamics of different balls, so if you were comparing models that are designed to fly differently (like the AVX vs the V1x) then you might see some aerodynamic effects contributing to how far offline the ball goes.

[tgarit1]

Does anyone know of any tour players using the AVX?  I am assuming that majority of tour pros swing speed is just too high to play that ball

[akronswitness]

11 hours ago, grochol17 said:

 

I wouldn't use this as a determining factor in picking a ball because it isn't really a thing.  The spin difference between a Pro V1x and the left dash is maybe a couple hundred RPMs.  For a fade or a draw, the spin axis of the ball isn't tilted much, so only a small fraction of the total spin goes into side spin, which means that only a tiny fraction of the spin difference between the two goes into curvature difference.  Switching between a V1x and the left dash might change your fade spin by a few 10s of RPMs, which is negligible in terms of distance offline.

 

I quickly fed my launch numbers into the flightscope trajectory optimizer and set it for a 10y fade with a ball that has a total spin of 2500 RPMs.  If I switch to a ball with 3000 RPMs total spin, that 10y fade becomes a 10.6y fade.  Going the other way, to a 2000 RPM spin rate, the fade is now 9.2y.  So on the extreme ends of spin off the driver for premium balls, the ball choice is only making a difference of 1.4y on a 10 yard fade.  I think for most people, the variance in how they deliver the driver to the ball is causing way more than a 1.4y spread in where the ball goes.

 

The caveat here is that the trajectory optimizer doesn't include the aerodynamics of different balls, so if you were comparing models that are designed to fly differently (like the AVX vs the V1x) then you might see some aerodynamic effects contributing to how far offline the ball goes.

So whats the purpose of low spin balls if they dont decrease sidespin/fades?

[phizzy30]

Just now, tgarit1 said:

Does anyone know of any tour players using the AVX?  I am assuming that majority of tour pros swing speed is just too high to play that ball

Nobody on the PGA Tour plays the AVX.  Other tours, not sure.  Main complaint besides the marshmallow feel is that it doesn't spin enough with irons and wedges. 

 

[jonkevin]

I played the Left Dash most of last season. Loved it off the tee but kept feeling like I needed more spin greenside for the shots I was trying to do. 

 

Switched to the new ProV1X and sold off my stash of LD. I may be losing a few yards off the time but the V1X does everything I want inside 100 yards. 

[Roy344]

I have played the LD for about 2 years and have not been tempted to change.  Driver speed about 90 and have no issues with greenside playability.  I have not experienced the lack of spin around the greens that some players have reported, very predictable.  Also, I use an Odyssey white hot putter which does mitigate some of the clickyness of non insert putters.  Great distance and durability.  Love the ball and have gotten a few converts.